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Post by worldcupone on Feb 25, 2006 7:52:39 GMT -6
Below is a quote from Times-Picayune right after the Laffy-Jesuit game. Looked looks case closed. Who made the beef afterwards to re-open the issue?
Tommy Henry, the commissioner of the Louisiana High School Athletic Association, said the association has talked to representatives with Jesuit and Lafayette about the incident, and there will not be a sportsmanship hearing on the matter.
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Post by alleyball on Feb 25, 2006 10:29:26 GMT -6
icarustea, Long, but very well put. Coaches and assistant coaches are suppose to set an example, not become one.
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Post by mileshest on Feb 25, 2006 11:20:42 GMT -6
I never once said that the Jesuit parents initiated the investigation. I said IF THEY DID, they should feel ashamed. Regardless, I still think they did, because it is my experience that those are the ways of the Lakeview parents. There are many possibilties, and I think that LHSAA could be protecting Jesuit. Do not say you "know" something when it could very well not be true.
For the record: Adam Rayborn only got "incensed" at the ref AFTER the linesman forcibly grabbed Eric Ellis' shirt and began yelling in his face. This then prompted Adam to say something along the lines of "if you get in someone's face, get in mine. But do it, and ill kick your ***..." (paraphrasing)
Now, I'm not justifying what happened, just clarifying. Adam Rayborn is made to look like such a horrible guy, when all he did was protect his player.
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Post by hobbs09 on Feb 25, 2006 11:27:33 GMT -6
Some how Jesuit always gets what they want.
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Post by mileshest on Feb 25, 2006 11:33:12 GMT -6
They certainly can't be beat.
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Post by allbusiness on Feb 25, 2006 11:33:21 GMT -6
I'm not sure if this has been brought to anyone's attention yet but Mitch Jacobs, the center ref for the game, was the same ref in last year's state finals. He made the controversial penalty kick call in last year's game that all of Lafayette says was a clean tackle and all of Jesuit says was a foul. The goal went on to be the game winner. Mitch has had some controversy in reffing matchups between these two schools. He is a great ref but I doubt he would want anything to do with reffing another Jesuit-Lafayette game. I sure as hell wouldn't.
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Post by hobbs09 on Feb 25, 2006 11:45:48 GMT -6
I don't think any one will ever let him have the chance to ref another Lafayette-Jesuit game.
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Post by mileshest on Feb 25, 2006 11:50:51 GMT -6
For your question, yes I incorrectly brought something up to that effect. And yes, I pray to God he never refs another LHS-JHS game.
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Post by bignasty on Feb 25, 2006 13:02:33 GMT -6
he will. Mitch has reffed 3 finals of mine in the past two years. Last years high school finals, Last year's select finals, and a final in a Baton Rouge select tournament. Then he gets this quarterfinal match. He loves the spotlight, and he is a God to the politics of the ref association. Every one of those matches have been Lafayette vs New Orleans. He wants the biggest matches, and he gets them.
And to clarify mileshest, The linesman did not get in my face. The center did. He did not grab me, or I didn't feel it, I probably wouldn't have felt him punch me I was fuming so much at the no call. I can't even remember what was said by anyone. I just know the whole situation would have been avoided if the linesman had made the right call. Because I didn't do anything out of the ordinary, and only people who weren't at the game will tell you I did.
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Post by Ghandi on Feb 25, 2006 13:12:53 GMT -6
From The Daily Advertiser
Lafayette High soccer team crushed by ruling Semifinals out of reach due to coaching violations Brady Aymond baymond@theadvertiser.com
The mood was somber Friday at Lafayette High when the Mighty Lions soccer team was informed that its appeal of an LHSAA ruling that would have allowed it to play in today's Division I state soccer semifinals was denied.
The Mighty Lions, who went 32-1 overall on the field and were ranked No. 1 in the state, were forced to forfeit all victories for the 2005-06 season, including Tuesday's 2-1 quarterfinal win over defending state champion Jesuit.
"It's real disappointing," LHS senior Trevor Thomas said. "It makes you feel like you've done all this work for nothing. Most of these players don't have anything to look forward to right now." The Lions have 17 seniors on the team, nine of whom were starters on the squad. Kevin Carter is one of those senior starters, and has been playing soccer since he was 4 years old.
"I don't even want to watch another soccer game right now," Carter said. "This makes me not even want to like soccer. And that's probably how it is for most people right now."
Lafayette High's athletic department was placed on probation for one year and was fined $1,100 for having two ineligible coaches.
The coaching violations were uncovered during an investigation that began when Louisiana High School Athletic Association commissioner Tommy Henry was reviewing reports from Tuesday's Lafayette-Jesuit playoff. During the game, assistant coach Adam Raborn was asked to leave by a referee after a verbal dispute.
During the review, Henry noticed Raborn and another Lafayette assistant, Jonathon Harrist, did not meet requirements for non-faculty assistant coaches. Harrist works with the junior varsity squad at LHS.
"When I was in there listening to everything, it seemed that the decision was already set before they heard any arguments," Raborn said. "Nobody was going to rule in our favor no matter what was said. That's how I felt.
"I'm disillusioned. I'm upset. I walked out of that office and I see half the team standing there, and I'm on the verge of tears having to tell them. I'm shattered. I can't help but feel like this is my fault."
Lafayette soccer booster club President Patti Carter felt the penalty did not fit the violation, and that the LHSAA rules were too vague regarding assistant coaches.
"I think we went round and round at the meeting as to whether the punishment fit the crime," Patti Carter said. "We felt it was a little harsh. He was not a head coach. He was not a player. He did not play a direct result in the outcome of the game (Tuesday).
"I also looked at the handbook and (the rule is) very ambiguous. In trying to be precise, they actually made the waters more muddy."
The Division I state finals will be held March 4 at the University of Louisiana's soccer field. Lafayette players still are unsure whether they will attend the event as spectators.
"It's just like you worked so hard for nothing," Kevin Carter said. "And now, whoever wins state, it's going to be tainted.
"It's going to be remembered as the state title that was determined by politics and not by the players on the field."
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Post by mileshest on Feb 25, 2006 13:20:17 GMT -6
Eric - I was just sharing what Jessica told me.
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Post by icarustea on Feb 25, 2006 13:51:49 GMT -6
I never once said that the Jesuit parents initiated the investigation. I said IF THEY DID, they should feel ashamed. Regardless, I still think they did, because it is my experience that those are the ways of the Lakeview parents. There are many possibilties, and I think that LHSAA could be protecting Jesuit. Do not say you "know" something when it could very well not be true. For the record: Adam Rayborn only got "incensed" at the ref AFTER the linesman forcibly grabbed Eric Ellis' shirt and began yelling in his face. This then prompted Adam to say something along the lines of "if you get in someone's face, get in mine. But do it, and ill kick your ***..." (paraphrasing) Now, I'm not justifying what happened, just clarifying. Adam Rayborn is made to look like such a horrible guy, when all he did was protect his player. I apologize if I did not get the full picture of what happened, but I read all the threads concerning this game and I did not read anywhere the full details of the incident in question. I find it hard to believe for a linesman/assistant ref to feel the need to be physical with a player for no apparent reason. I simply followed logically what I thought had happened - LHS player or assistant coach from LHS got "incensed" after a bad call and got into the personal space of the ref, verbally or physically, thus leading to one of them being ejected. My point there was about sportsmanship. I don't even live in Louisiana any more, I live in Virginia. I graduated from high school in LA and am a soccer player, and have always come back during the state tournament to check out the action, both girls and boys. I have no ties to Jesuit - I never attended any of their games even though I went to school only two miles away. But this got so much attention that I heard about it in the girls h.s. soccer forum and came here to see what had happened. So I'm not here to proclaim who deserves what. Just commenting on what appeared to be a lack of the psychological component in a very highly charged game. My premier coach told my team that all the things that supposedly make a good soccer player and a good soccer team don't mean anything if you can't have the discipline to keep it together emotionally. All the players from both teams came into the game knowing this would be a great game - both teams' records show that they had everything that made it possible for them to even play each other again. It wasn't a question of if but when. I just thought that LHS would have been prepared for that emotionally charged game. It was their home field. It was their time to shine, to show that yes, they can beat Jesuit. I just wanted to bring back the fact that no one has further spoken of what precipitated the whole unfortunate debacle - the heated dispute by a player over a bad call that ended with the ejection of an assistant coach that was later found to be in ineligible. I'm sure the LHS player was infuriated by the bad call, but to the point where the linesman felt that he had to physically manhandle him? From what I read here from spectators at the game, mostly LHS spectators, no one had mentioned that had happened. Alot of 'there wasn't anything out of the ordinary that needed the police to be called' type of statements - which I thought meant just that. Mostly 'violence of the tongue' stuff that I see in games. It is not usual for refs to be proactive in disputes, they are trained to handle these high pressure situations. Since the LHS player was the one contesting the call, logically, he must have been the one more in the face of the linesman, and the linesman reacted. (are you saying the linesman = Mitch Jacobs? I thought Mitch was the center ref, the presiding official. AR's are linesman, they hold the flags that determine offsides, right? This person was never mentioned in any of the threads I've read.) This is all splitting hairs here, but I guess since I am a player, it's these things that are what's most important, the things that happen out on the FIELD. The attention has been shifted to the LHSAA and their passing judgement based on what they found and their carrying out the letter of the law. People talk about Jesuit being the better team if they gave up their spot in the playoffs or return the trophy if they indeed win the state as being the right thing to do. What about the right thing to do at the game in question? The ref made a bad call. It happens. It's still the first half. You still have about 40 minutes to come back. Then play. Instead an LHS player and coach lost his cool and the chain of events began. LHS obviously showed that they can win despite the bad call. But now we'll never know if that whole scene and the ridiculously long 40-minute stoppage time had anything to do with that. There is no way you can say that it didn't. One could argue that it certainly gave LHS the advantage even with the ejection of their asst. coach - they're on their home field and they won. Jesuit didn't protest the absurd 40-minute stoppage time, when they had every right to do so, considering they lost and could say that it affected their game or whatever. And when the opportunity came to do so, when the LHSAA investigated, they didn't. To even insinuate that "Lakeview parents" worked in the shadows to pull LHSAA strings just takes this whole argument down. Now it just sounds like whining. For those who say that the team who wins state doesn't deserve it - that's just ridiculous. LHS and Jesuit aren't the only teams in the state tournament. Your own counterparts across the way - Carencro - are a sleeper team. They aren't ranked in the top ten and they're in the finals. Then there's another team that has struggled and now has made it's first appearance in the final games of the tournament - Fontainebleau. So, just because LHS isn't in the finals, these other well deserving teams don't deserve the full respect of winning the state title? I'm not blaming the whole incident on Eric Ellis. He had the right to dispute the call and if he was being treated inappropriately, then that is a question people should ask as well. I'm just asking how it got to escalate from that to the police being involved. I read in the forum that Rayborn has been ejected on a few occasions (why LHSAA didn't notice the technicality then is another question that should be asked) in other games in the past. That is something that should have been nipped in the bud - coach ejections should raise a red flag, particularly if they happen often. That can't help a team stay focused. They are to set the example for the team he is supposedly training. Ideally speaking, of course.
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Post by bignasty on Feb 25, 2006 14:11:34 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure I have said this other times, the police got involved because the refs wanted adam charged with a felony. The police CAME TO ME! I did not go and seek the police. When they asked me if I wanted to press charges I thought it was a joke> personally I feel like the LHSAA still would have done what they did if what happened at halftime occured or not> because Jesuit lost>
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Post by icarustea on Feb 25, 2006 14:25:03 GMT -6
So...the reason LHS was DQ'd was b/c Jesuit lost and they didn't like it and they somehow got the LHSAA to rule in their favor?
I think that's what I'm gathering is the general underlying feeling people have.
Looks like Jesuit is going to lose the FHS game anyway. In a way, I'm glad, b/c technically they don't deserve to be there. I just hope that Fountainebleu will be respected with that win, given that they were supposed to play a different team. Two underdog teams in the finals. Maybe that's what the tournament needed.
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Post by lhsstatechamps06 on Feb 25, 2006 15:55:25 GMT -6
its ashame that the states best soccer team wont get a chance to win state every one knows LHS is NUMBER 1 politics suck
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Post by ithappens on Feb 25, 2006 16:02:06 GMT -6
Boy this is starting to get low. I also disagree with jesuit playing, but still....dang
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Post by taxyman12 on Feb 25, 2006 16:30:46 GMT -6
its ashame that the states best soccer team wont get a chance to win state every one knows LHS is NUMBER 1 politics suck go ahead and be upset that the laffy players got shortchanged, but don't make statements that undermine the two teams that are left--they had to beat very good teams to get to where they are. FHS beat cpt shreve and jesuit and cro beat bro martin to get to the finals. The fact is that we won't know what laffyete could have done because of what happened--certainly I feel for the lhs players, but that's the way it is.
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Post by Ghandi on Feb 25, 2006 16:33:01 GMT -6
its ashame that the states best soccer team wont get a chance to win state every one knows LHS is NUMBER 1 politics suck go ahead and be upset that the laffy players got shortchanged, but don't make statements that undermine the two teams that are left--they had to beat very good teams to get to where they are. FHS beat cpt shreve and cro beat bro martin to get to the finals. The fact is that we won't know what laffyete could have done because of what happened--certainly I fell for the lhs players, but that's the way it is. Lafayette beat Carencro 4 - 0 right before the playoffs.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Apr 2, 2013 8:12:11 GMT -6
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Post by pompey on Feb 17, 2020 15:45:09 GMT -6
For those of you patiently waiting for your Tuesday games, I present to you the single most Popcorn meme-inducing thread in the history of these fine boards. The rabbit hole is well worth stumbling down!
And just so no heart attacks from the headline, this was 2006!
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