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Post by biome22 on Mar 8, 2009 18:32:27 GMT -6
I'm from baton rouge and i'm looking at this from an unbiased perspective. Personally this is why i hate individual awards. They cause way to much drama in terms of who should be on this list and why. Soccer is a team sport, and i'm all about the end result. I thought that Episcopal was better than STA as well. I played both teams twice and Episcopal was the better team. MVP of the state is debatable as well. All of them had legitimate cases to have this award.
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Post by brsc15 on Mar 8, 2009 18:33:03 GMT -6
Episcopal is better than STA. EHS lost to Uhigh 4-2 and tied 1-1 while STA lost to Uhigh 3-1 and 4-1. STA maybe had a total of 10 shots in both games combined and got a BS goal at the end of the semifinal game (STA could barely get across midfield in both games). EHS actually challenged Uhigh in both games. Episcopal's overall talent is much better than that of STA's with Gaudet, Redmond, Lyons and roeling.
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Post by formertiger on Mar 8, 2009 18:39:15 GMT -6
I thought Savoie for MVP was a perfect choice. He's been a fabulous and tough player since starting as a freshman. My other thought was possibly Starling who is the best keeper in the state. The players you talk about who didn't make the list are certainly worthy, but fell a little short this year. There are many great DIII players who are not recognized througout the year as compared with DI, but let's not cut down the ones who are honored in our division. Every year people are disappointed, but that's the way it has to be. There are only 22 spots! Congratulations to a strong DIII season for all!!
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Post by MC on Mar 8, 2009 18:59:38 GMT -6
I thought Savoie for MVP was a perfect choice. He's been a fabulous and tough player since starting as a freshman. My other thought was possibly Starling who is the best keeper in the state. The players you talk about who didn't make the list are certainly worthy, but fell a little short this year. There are many great DIII players who are not recognized througout the year as compared with DI, but let's not cut down the ones who are honored in our division. Every year people are disappointed, but that's the way it has to be. There are only 22 spots! Congratulations to a strong DIII season for all!! Agreed. Good post.
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Post by rolltide on Mar 8, 2009 19:49:14 GMT -6
so st. thomas gets "blasted" one time to a good team and doesnt deserve to have 1 player on 1st team all state? your logic is dumb to say the least. And last year when they won state only 1 player makes first team? sounds like bull sphit to me. Personally i think sta is better than episcopal just look at the loss column, sta-3 episcopal-10 but that's besides the point. The fact is that (and this is to answer mc's question too) that sta had a/b 2 or 3 1st teamers, one of which didnt even make 2nd team. St. louis adam france should be first team. Westminister's Timm Redd should be on the list, was on it last year where was he this yr. Northlake gets no love AT ALL, I could see #2 and kevin pence being on 2nd team. Is anyone from menard on there? And i wont even comment on who i dont think deserves first team that recieved first team......... panther002, you prove me and mikethetiger's point that baton rouge, as a community, band together and stick up for each other on this board and on the votings for all state.... I’m from Baton Rouge, and you can continue your senseless diatribe on the “biased nature of the selection process”, and will probably attempt to further it, but at least remove your own sentiments before questioning that of others. You ask other people to look at this list with an unbiased viewpoint, yet you, yourself exude bias. Clearly, you, a teammate, or a friend were left off of the team, and understandably, you are frustrated. Assuming the above statement is not far from the truth, you could have responded to the situation with class, ideally turning a snub into motivation. A simple “I think (insert player’s name here) should have been considered” would have been acceptable as well. But, instead, you took another route, proceeding to question this list and whether or not players were “deserving.” Well, let me ask: who has bestowed the power of judgment in your hands, my friend? Furthermore, how on earth is it your place to determine whether or not any particular player is “deserving”? Do you know each player personally? Do you follow them to practice, to the weight room etc.? While perfection is never attainable when compiling a list such as this, I must question your sensibility and position within the realm of Louisiana High School soccer when you debate over whether or not certain players are “deserving”. Also, what is the purpose of undermining the achievements of those included? If your ends were pure, and you sought to simply recognize those others who deserved commendation for their play, why not did you not do so simply and intelligently by stating something to the effect of: "so-and-so had a fantastic year, he scored x goals, had x assists, etc."? The bottom line is that each of the players listed are deserving, and as said before, so are a host of others. In the end, it’s JUST A LIST. There is so much more to be gained from one’s inner fulfillment: knowing that you have done your job to the best of your ability, and have shared in the collective success of your team. If this still leaves much to be desired, then I would venture to say that you have not developed an adequate grasp on the concept of a “team”.
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Post by rpiresofarsenal on Mar 8, 2009 20:20:29 GMT -6
pwned.
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Post by steeler on Mar 9, 2009 12:42:49 GMT -6
rolltide...are you going to keep tabs on la hs school soccer next yr from college? b/c i really enjoy your posts and as usual you are spot on.
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Post by soccergsp on Mar 9, 2009 13:37:31 GMT -6
rolltide...are you going to keep tabs on la hs school soccer next yr from college? b/c i really enjoy your posts and as usual you are spot on. Agreed about rolltide. He is obviously very bright and analytical. Very impressive, also, is his grammar, spelling and punctuation. It is very unusual in this modern day to see a high school student so conscientious in their writing style (I guess due to instant message, text messaging, etc.). Good luck to you in college...I have a feeling you will be very successful in whatever you choose.
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Post by rolltide on Mar 9, 2009 21:03:04 GMT -6
rolltide...are you going to keep tabs on la hs school soccer next yr from college? b/c i really enjoy your posts and as usual you are spot on. Thanks for the kind words. While I do graduate in May, and will probably end up somewhere a long way from Louisiana, I will make every effort to retain some knowledge about the status of soccer in the state. After all, I will still have several friends/teammates involved next year, and will certainly keep tabs on them and their progress.
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Post by mikethetiger on Mar 9, 2009 22:14:48 GMT -6
Just so everyone knows, I don't avidly follow D3. It's not that the BR and NO players aren't deserving, i was just surpirsed the whole first team made it. After seeing the registered coaches for voting in D1, i think you can attribute this occurence more to the coaches in these areas getting more involved. I think block voting still occurs to some extent, but if coaches from certain areas of the state don't represent their schools and areas then it's their fault.
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Post by nolaball on Mar 10, 2009 2:53:23 GMT -6
Mike, there are several more registered D3 coaches outside BR/NOLA than inside.
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Post by rolltide on Mar 10, 2009 11:07:40 GMT -6
Just so everyone knows, I don't avidly follow D3. It's not that the BR and NO players aren't deserving, i was just surpirsed the whole first team made it. After seeing the registered coaches for voting in D1, i think you can attribute this occurence more to the coaches in these areas getting more involved. I think block voting still occurs to some extent, but if coaches from certain areas of the state don't represent their schools and areas then it's their fault. I wouldn’t accredit the selections to certain school’s coaches not participating in the selection process. Just from looking at last year’s list, it is evident that schools outside of Baton Rouge and New Orleans do participate in the compilation process. Coaches from Menard, Westminster, ED White, Calvary Baptist, and Opelousas Catholic, to name a few (not to mention the many other schools outside of Baton Rouge or New Orleans that probably had a hand in the process, but did not have any players selected), clearly participated in the process last year, so why would they not have done so this year? That being said, Division III is unlike Division I. In Division I, while the top 3 or so might be set, one finds a much greater number of competitive sides fighting for places in the Top 10. We don’t have that level of competition in Division III, as the top 10, collectively, remains pretty unchanged throughout the course of the season. Just look at the fluctuations in the Top 10 of Division I and Division III teams, comparatively. Since we have a smaller number of quality teams truly capable of challenging for the state title, it would make sense that coaches’ attendance at the LHSSCA meeting ought be lower as well. In Division III, it would only take a gathering of maybe 13 coaches (representing the truly competitive DIII sides) to compile a pretty decent list, whereas in Division I, because of the aforementioned parity, it would probably take a much larger number of coaches to adequately assess the state’s talent. To sum it up, I do not think it is fair to assume that the same problem that plagues the Division I voting process (limited involvement) is rampant in Division III.
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Post by thedawg on Mar 10, 2009 18:21:28 GMT -6
I agree with rolltide...although, I was curious why you use so many big words and phrases to make points that can be put into shorter, simpler terms
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Post by panther002 on Mar 10, 2009 18:39:45 GMT -6
Its because he's a higher ranking human than us normal folk. lol
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Post by rolltide on Mar 10, 2009 19:11:55 GMT -6
I agree with rolltide...although, I was curious as to why you use so many big words and phrases to make points that can be put into shorter simpler terms Sure. I use this forum as practice for my English class. I write each of my posts as if I was writing a paper for class. Same grammar, style, vocabulary, everything. Love it or hate it, it's the way I write. The way I see it, it can't hurt to get more and more familiar with the type of writing that I am being graded on at the moment, and will be in college. And really, I can't think of a better way to practice something such as this. I mean, it sure makes practice less tedious when it's about something you know and love.
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Post by flat3 on Mar 10, 2009 21:20:28 GMT -6
Simple writing is often better in college. To convey the SAME content, simple statements are better than those with big words. Trust me. At least your professors do understand what you wrote. ;D
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Post by beauchenecoach on Mar 7, 2013 8:07:51 GMT -6
Bump
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