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Post by ijsouth1966 on Feb 23, 2013 23:32:32 GMT -6
This question is for someone that saw the Jesuit semi-final game and the finals. On the radio broadcast they kept talking about Jesuit playing the long ball and not stringing together passes to take the ball down the field. Is this correct? If so, I'm pretty sure Jesuit was criticized for doing the same thing last week. Is this how they played tonight's game or am I just not understanding something? I didn't see that semifinal, but of the two teams tonight, Jesuit definitely worked the ball more, and with better quality.
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Post by drogba on Feb 23, 2013 23:38:48 GMT -6
the semi was kickball. You almost have to play that way at tad gormley it is too narrow. One other observation it is time for the teams fans to sit on different sides of the stadium saw several ugly incidents and again no dog in the fight it was the St Paul kids though. Saw three times kids from St Paul cheering section throw full coke bottles 20oz into the Jesuit kids section just crazy. Finally one adult pulled one kid out at the end of the game with a police officer but really need to sit on opp sides going forward no need for that kind of behavior.
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Post by munichman30 on Feb 23, 2013 23:39:56 GMT -6
Coolerthanhall97 seems a little steamed after the loss. He should try counting to ten
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Post by soccermomalways on Feb 23, 2013 23:41:54 GMT -6
I think sitting on the same side is crazy especially at a heated game like this with so many fans in attendance.
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Post by HeyRefAreYouSerious on Feb 23, 2013 23:48:10 GMT -6
If you think that "no call" was legit, you are either pooping hash, or a Jesuit fan! But, before that, how about the Jesuit keeper coming out of the box, CRUSHING SPS's forward, AND, touching the ball OUTSIDE THE BOX!! That officiating crew needs to stick to u12 soccer or basketball, whichever is slower. Couldn't keep up with speed of play & was complete garbage, no matter who you were pulling for... State Finals should be in "neutral" location, NOT 2 miles from Jesuit! LHSAA, If that's your top crew, I think you need to be evaluated by a higher authority. Congrats JHS. SPS, you guys proved SO many people wrong! Beautiful season! Be proud.
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Post by ijsouth1966 on Feb 23, 2013 23:55:50 GMT -6
If you think that "no call" was legit, you are either pooping hash, or a Jesuit fan! But, before that, how about the Jesuit keeper coming out of the box, crushing SPS forward, AND, touching the ball OUTSIDE THE BOX!! That officiating crew needs to stick to u12 soccer. Couldn't keep up with speed of play, & was complete garbage, no matter who you were pulling for... State Finals should be in "neutral" location, NOT 2 miles from Jesuit! Out of state officials, too! LHSAA, If that's your top crew, I think you need to be evaluated by a higher authority. Congrats SPS, you guys proved SO many people wrong! Beautiful season! Be proud. Look, I agree that the referee didn't have the greatest night, but I would cool your jets; both teams asked for an officiating crew from the New Orleans association, so if there was a concern about bias, St Paul's should have asked for a crew from out of town. As for the location of the game itself, Tad Gormley is a few miles from Brother Martin, who could have been in the finals, or from any one of a number of other schools. Would you prefer to play the game in Shreveport? SPS has a lot to be proud of. They definitely were rooked out of an obvious penalty, but it was just a bad non-call by the referee; all that being said, Jesuit looked to be the better team to me, and I'm a SPS alumnus.
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Post by soccermomalways on Feb 23, 2013 23:58:54 GMT -6
I'm not sure it's possible to have the finals in a guaranteed neutral location for every team. Logistically that just seems almost impossible. I do agree that the referees need to be from a different area than the schools involved. There should be NO affiliation of a referee with a team in the game. I've been out of high school for way more then 7 years and I still am biased for my alma mater. I'm not saying that an official can't be impartial but there can always a perception of bias. It doesn't matter if the ref is fair or not the perception will always be there. This is just my opinion. I was in fact an official in another sport for 26 years so I get the whole affiliation and perception thing.
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Post by emptynet on Feb 24, 2013 0:06:46 GMT -6
Who cares how the refs were. Almost every unbiased person agrees that Jesuit was the better team tonight so they deserved the win end of story and on to next season. I can't say I agree with you on this one. I don't know how many countless times I've heard teams walking off the pitch saying "we were the better team today even though we lost. We deserved to win..." Think about that comment in reference to tonight's game. At the end of regulation, with the score tied at 1 - 1 would you say that Jesuit deserved to win? I say resoundingly no. Despite the fact that they were more skilled, faster or whatever else, St. Paul's was able to stop them. If you wanted to you could make a similar argument that St. Paul's deserved to win more because by all accounts St Paul's had far fewer offensive opportunities and still managed to convert the same number that Jesuit did. What that means is St. Paul's converted a higher percentage of shots and their defense successfully defended a higher percentage and number of shots, therefore they are better and deserved to win. I'm not buying that either. Sorry, but being the more physical team, having 70% of possesion, being faster, taller, more technically sound, better coached, having a deep bench or any of those other desired characteristics doesn't have anything to do with who deserves to win the game. The team that deserves to win is the one who put the most goals in the net and allowed fewer. Period. Jesuit put more goals in the net so they deserved to win. In fact, the only reason I can think of that the team that deserves to win doesn't is if the referees make one or more bad calls. I'm not going to get into that one.
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Post by vistajay on Feb 24, 2013 0:10:48 GMT -6
I had a great view of the alleged penalty in the box. Certain contact by Jesuit player but I thought the St. Paul's player oversold it and flopped, triggering the no call.
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Post by charliemurphy on Feb 24, 2013 0:15:38 GMT -6
Who cares how the refs were. Almost every unbiased person agrees that Jesuit was the better team tonight so they deserved the win end of story and on to next season. I can't say I agree with you on this one. I don't know how many countless times I've heard teams walking off the pitch saying "we were the better team today even though we lost. We deserved to win..." Think about that comment in reference to tonight's game. At the end of regulation, with the score tied at 1 - 1 would you say that Jesuit deserved to win? I say resoundingly no. Despite the fact that they were more skilled, faster or whatever else, St. Paul's was able to stop them. If you wanted to you could make a similar argument that St. Paul's deserved to win more because by all accounts St Paul's had far fewer offensive opportunities and still managed to convert the same number that Jesuit did. What that means is St. Paul's converted a higher percentage of shots and their defense successfully defended a higher percentage and number of shots, therefore they are better and deserved to win. I'm not buying that either. Sorry, but being the more physical team, having 70% of possesion, being faster, taller, more technically sound, better coached, having a deep bench or any of those other desired characteristics doesn't have anything to do with who deserves to win the game. The team that deserves to win is the one who put the most goals in the net and allowed fewer. Period. Jesuit put more goals in the net so they deserved to win. In fact, the only reason I can think of that the team that deserves to win doesn't is if the referees make one or more bad calls. I'm not going to get into that one. Ok even by those standards Jesuit deserved the win.
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Post by soccermomalways on Feb 24, 2013 0:17:30 GMT -6
I can't say I agree with you on this one. I don't know how many countless times I've heard teams walking off the pitch saying "we were the better team today even though we lost. We deserved to win..." Think about that comment in reference to tonight's game. At the end of regulation, with the score tied at 1 - 1 would you say that Jesuit deserved to win? I say resoundingly no. Despite the fact that they were more skilled, faster or whatever else, St. Paul's was able to stop them. If you wanted to you could make a similar argument that St. Paul's deserved to win more because by all accounts St Paul's had far fewer offensive opportunities and still managed to convert the same number that Jesuit did. What that means is St. Paul's converted a higher percentage of shots and their defense successfully defended a higher percentage and number of shots, therefore they are better and deserved to win. I'm not buying that either. Sorry, but being the more physical team, having 70% of possesion, being faster, taller, more technically sound, better coached, having a deep bench or any of those other desired characteristics doesn't have anything to do with who deserves to win the game. The team that deserves to win is the one who put the most goals in the net and allowed fewer. Period. Jesuit put more goals in the net so they deserved to win. In fact, the only reason I can think of that the team that deserves to win doesn't is if the referees make one or more bad calls. I'm not going to get into that one. Ok even by those standards Jesuit deserved the win. Umm, ultimately, that's what emptynet said. Jesuit put the ball in the net more than St. Paul.
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Post by oranje on Feb 24, 2013 0:34:34 GMT -6
I had a great view of the alleged penalty in the box. Certain contact by Jesuit player but I thought the St. Paul's player oversold it and flopped, triggering the no call. vistajay, you are in the single minority on your observation re: the no-call being the proper decision so that case is closed. As to 'St. Paul's player oversold it and flopped, triggering the no call.' comment - if you knew this player you'd realize your statement couldn't be more ignorant. This same player will haunt JHS for the next 3 years so he'll exact his revenge!
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Post by emptynet on Feb 24, 2013 0:36:18 GMT -6
I can't say I agree with you on this one... Ok even by those standards Jesuit deserved the win. To be more specific, I agreed with your conclusion, not your reasoning. Several people in this thread have said they are better, faster, stronger, prettier... but none of those reasons matter.
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Post by rotten on Feb 24, 2013 0:46:42 GMT -6
Congratulations to both teams. Hopefully they will meet for 4th time in a row next year.
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Post by vistajay on Feb 24, 2013 8:05:26 GMT -6
I had a great view of the alleged penalty in the box. Certain contact by Jesuit player but I thought the St. Paul's player oversold it and flopped, triggering the no call. vistajay, you are in the single minority on your observation re: the no-call being the proper decision so that case is closed. As to 'St. Paul's player oversold it and flopped, triggering the no call.' comment - if you knew this player you'd realize your statement couldn't be more ignorant. This same player will haunt JHS for the next 3 years so he'll exact his revenge! So no one goes down a little easier when they get contact in the box in the closing minutes of a game? Not saying the ref made the right call. Just saying he may have seen what I saw, and it influenced his call. Best of luck to St Paul's and the young man in the future.
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Post by drogba on Feb 24, 2013 8:17:40 GMT -6
Again saw the play I don't even think the official would say the kid sold the call at all. He was clearly taken down. I guess if you think once he was tackled to the ground he rolled or something. Clear penalty. Someone brought up the other play when J goalie came out box i thought also was a clear penalty something you let keeper get away with in box but should have been called outside of box. Not sure he played with hand and I doubt would have led to a goal or anything in that instance.
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Post by soccerdad82 on Feb 24, 2013 8:41:34 GMT -6
Jays had stronger side. controlled ball for majority of game. SPS defense was valiant in effort. Congrats to back 5 from St. Paul's. Jesuit had many chances to win in regulation. With 2 minutes left in 2nd overtime, St. Paul's forward had an uncontested shot at goal, but was clobbered from behind. Should've been a card and a Penalty. Center ref clearly blew it. In the end, the better team won. But it probably shouldn't have.
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Post by oranje on Feb 24, 2013 9:24:42 GMT -6
Jays had stronger side. controlled ball for majority of game. SPS defense was valiant in effort. Congrats to back 5 from St. Paul's. Jesuit had many chances to win in regulation. With 2 minutes left in 2nd overtime, St. Paul's forward had an uncontested shot at goal, but was clobbered from behind. Should've been a card and a Penalty. Center ref clearly blew it. In the end, the better team won. But it probably shouldn't have. I would agree with your assessment. I think JHS's size, strength and ball control was the difference in the game. SPS's youth will pay dividends down the road. The proof of the blown call is in this picture - the defender made no effort for the ball evidenced by the ball rolling harmlessly to the goalie. If a take down of an attacker in the box without attempt to clear the ball is not a foul then I know nothing about soccer after 35+ years around the game. p.s Attachment Deleted
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Post by wolfie on Feb 24, 2013 9:27:18 GMT -6
Man o man o man... It was a good game though. Could have gone to either team. I would agree with many that Jesuit was more fierce looking last night. I don't necessarily agree that means they are a better team. Sps has always had a more relaxed style of play. They don't tend to look uber aggressive. Jesuit did have the advantage on possession but that in reality didn't do anything for them because they were stopped on all run of play. Kudos to Jesuit for two good set piece goals and same to sps on theirs. It was a battle. Several questionable calls but that's usually the case. The only issue with last night was the missed pk call for sps. It was a bad bad no call. could have tied the game and then who knows... Next year, Jesuit will have their work cut out because they're also losing lots of seniors. Sps lost 14 last year and almost had that game last night without that past seniority. I say sps vs Jesuit in 2014 and wolves take it!! Good job boys. We are all proud.
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Post by oranje on Feb 24, 2013 10:03:36 GMT -6
Man o man o man... It was a good game though. Could have gone to either team. I would agree with many that Jesuit was more fierce looking last night. I don't necessarily agree that means they are a better team. Sps has always had a more relaxed style of play. They don't tend to look uber aggressive. Jesuit did have the advantage on possession but that in reality didn't do anything for them because they were stopped on all run of play. Kudos to Jesuit for two good set piece goals and same to sps on theirs. It was a battle. Several questionable calls but that's usually the case. The only issue with last night was the missed pk call for sps. It was a bad bad no call. could have tied the game and then who knows... Next year, Jesuit will have their work cut out because they're also losing lots of seniors. Sps lost 14 last year and almost had that game last night without that past seniority. I say sps vs Jesuit in 2014 and wolves take it!! Good job boys. We are all proud. Slight correction - had a pk been awarded and converted SPS would've led 2-1 with mins left. No matter - agree with the 2014 prediction!
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