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Post by smee on Oct 14, 2013 9:57:48 GMT -6
After the debacle of Friday night's game when Small Town PD decided they were going to arrest 2 of seven officials during a game, I am left wondering: who is in charge at a game?
If a ref "requests" the local constabulary to return a game to the outlines of LHSAA policy, but that could be construed to violate free speech (for examples a band playing during the game, some rather vocal yokels etc), would the local police be under the control of the refs? Contrariwise, what if the local police tell the ref that she has to continue the game under conditions that would be against LHSAA rules, and would arrest her if she did not?
Hopefully, the ridiculousness of last weekend will not be repeated, but it still leaves the question of who is in charge of a game
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Oct 14, 2013 17:21:41 GMT -6
What I am curious to know is if St. Paul's or Mandeville will be able to get refs for their home games for the rest of the season. As a high school ref, there is no way I am going to ref a game at the school where an official had been arrested during the game.
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Post by smee on Oct 14, 2013 19:55:36 GMT -6
the CCSRA is contracted to provide referees for the soccer season, as far as I know. Also, as far as I know, the CPD would only have any kind of jurisdiction at games involving St Pauls, SSA and Covington High (although that could affect the tournaments and teams that use CYSA- Maybe Happy Jack can tell us where the city limits is, and which schools are within limits?)
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Post by happyjack on Oct 17, 2013 18:36:08 GMT -6
Ssa, chs, and stp are those in the city limits. But seriously, when is the last time you saw a cop at a soccer game working a paid detail, unless it was deep in the playoffs
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Post by quepasa on Oct 21, 2013 6:52:27 GMT -6
Ssa, chs, and stp are those in the city limits. But seriously, when is the last time you saw a cop at a soccer game working a paid detail, unless it was deep in the playoffs Hahnville tourney. cop riding around on a Segway all weekend. very funny. |
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Oct 21, 2013 8:55:00 GMT -6
I guess my comment was really more focused on what happened to the football officials during the game last weekend. If I was a football official, no way would I ever work a game in Covington. Getting chewed out is one thing, getting arrested takes it to a whole new level.
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Post by miraddydad on Nov 6, 2013 18:44:04 GMT -6
Okay. Gotta ask. What were they arrested for?
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Post by tonygalinto on Dec 14, 2013 12:31:43 GMT -6
What I am curious to know is if St. Paul's or Mandeville will be able to get refs for their home games for the rest of the season. As a high school ref, there is no way I am going to ref a game at the school where an official had been arrested during the game. One of the policemen involved in the arrest of the football referees has another problem now. Sort of like a loose cannon in this problem. Covington police Capt. Jack West has been placed on paid administrative leave after a 12-gauge shotgun discharged in his office Wednesday, Chief Tim Lentz said. West was in the process of issuing the weapon to a new recruit when it discharged, Lentz said. Lentz said issuing weapons is part of West's job. West failed to determine whether the gun was loaded before he issued it on Wednesday, he said |
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Post by smee on Feb 11, 2014 13:01:40 GMT -6
I heard a discussion yesterday about the lack of medical personnel at games, and who then is in charge of allowing a player to play. the hypothetical scenario was along the lines of:
No medical staff on site for the game. Player for team A gets hurt, possibly including a head knock. As there is no medical person there to clear the player, the head coach for team A says the player is "fine", and wants them to return to the game. The referee says head injury, and they cannot play.
Q1: who according to LHSAA gets to make that call? My interpretation is head coach.
Q2: if player returns, but ref suspects something is amiss, can/ should the ref stop play and get player re-examined?
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Post by happyjack on Feb 11, 2014 20:35:23 GMT -6
Well, since we're talking hypotheticals...let's imagine a player strikes his head on the ground, and the referee asks if he is okay and he says, hypothetically, of course, "gee, what happened". This, per Lhsaa concussion protocol, suggests the player may have sustained a concussion. Let's continue with the hypothetical and the coach is brought in to tend to the player, and he is told the words the player used, and he says he has no trainer on sight, and neither does the other team. Hypothetically, the referee then asks the coach if he can perform the concussion evaluation to which the coach replies "I'm not qualified" (hypothetically, of course). Player is removed from the game...hypothetically the back up keeper is weak, and following the halftime break, the coach hypothetically wants to put the possibly concussed player back in. Having already stated he is not qualified to evaluate the player, do you, as a referee, risk player safety by allowing a player who had a head injury and has not been evaluated to continue? Hypothetically, I sure wouldn't. Player safety is one of the referees duties. And following Lhsaa concussion protocol no player with a possible concussion can return until they are evaluated.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 12, 2014 20:09:30 GMT -6
Hypothetically from someone whose daughter sustained a concussion and would have passed field tests as per emergency room doctor, I would hope no ref would. She had no symptoms til we got in car after game and finished game. Neither her coach nor I realized where she had been kicked.
I have also seen a player thst did return to activities too soon and no game is worth what they are going through.
While I am at it, hypothetically if any coach even had a mild suspicion that a player might possibly have a concussion, I hope he would place their welfare over a game result.
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Post by smee on Feb 13, 2014 12:46:31 GMT -6
I agree with both sentiments above. my question is: if coach insists player is ok, does the ref have the right under LHSAA policy to deny that player from playing? If the ref insists the player sit, could that be contestable later?
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Post by time2retire on Feb 13, 2014 13:04:44 GMT -6
I agree with both sentiments above. my question is: if coach insists player is ok, does the ref have the right under LHSAA policy to deny that player from playing? If the ref insists the player sit, could that be contestable later? I would rather have to answer the LHSAA defending my decision to not allow a player with signs of a concussion to play than a judge or jury deciding my fate for a hefty fine or more...with the amount of attention concussions are getting...even if I'm wrong, I would like to think the state would back me up for doing what I believed to be right in this particular case. |
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Post by happyjack on Feb 13, 2014 17:18:23 GMT -6
I think it comes down to the wording used. If the coach is asked of a concussion test was done and is the player concussed and he answers yes, then a medical release is required. If the coach says he evaluates and not concussed, they can play. If coach says he is not qualified to perform the concussion test and no medical personnel available, he sits.
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