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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 1, 2014 15:00:06 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 17:02:13 GMT -6
The simple answer? Yes! Besides, you can't totally eliminate heading in this football anyway. (Not without drastically changing the game.) Unless you play futsal only.
Maybe this is another good reason to teach young players to keep the ball on the ground and pass more.
Instead of the pointless kickball we see everywhere.
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Post by pshenton on Mar 3, 2014 19:47:08 GMT -6
I'll be honest, it's never been something I've thought about, but after watching the Head Games documentary about the effects of concussions, I'd definitely back an incentive to limit the amount of heading in the kids game. I don't see how it could be eradicated, but playing with a ball that doesn't bounce so high or forcing a head height rule may actually be a good thing for the technical development of our players.
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Post by miraddydad on Mar 4, 2014 8:26:15 GMT -6
I would be interested in seeing studies from Europe. I wonder if they have the same problems. I also wonder if it's truly heading the ball, or if it's more the falls and what not. I'm not 100% sold that it's heading that's doing this. The occasional ball that gets wrapped around a kid's head that he's not prepared for, yes.
I also question, from the standpoint of Europe v America, whether we teach more physical play here and THAT'S what's really causing the injuries.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 4, 2014 8:53:00 GMT -6
Research yet to be done, but I can recall feeling dizzy after heading the ball a couple of times. Were those minor traumatic brain injuries? 15 years post-diagnosis, probably.
A study done by the McGill University Sports Medicine Department looked at the frequency of concussion symptoms in college football and soccer players. Their results were eye-opening. 70% of college football players reported having concussion symptoms. 63% of college soccer players reported having concussion symptoms. Goalies (who rarely head the ball) were the most likely soccer players to report concussion symptoms, so perhaps a good chunk of the concussions in soccer come from head to other person's body part contact, not head to ball contact.
The info is still incomplete, but if I could go back in time, I would choose not to head long goal kicks and other high impact kicks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 8:57:16 GMT -6
I would be interested in seeing studies from Europe. I wonder if they have the same problems. I also wonder if it's truly heading the ball, or if it's more the falls and what not. I'm not 100% sold that it's heading that's doing this. The occasional ball that gets wrapped around a kid's head that he's not prepared for, yes. I also question, from the standpoint of Europe v America, whether we teach more physical play here and THAT'S what's really causing the injuries. I don't know that the game is more physical here. But overall, I'd say the game is less technical here in general. (With the exception of the very highest youth levels.)
I also read a study a while back (conducted in Europe) that stated soccer players had higher intelligence than the average population. Kind of contradictory that someone could be smarter with all that alleged "head trauma".
Remember, you should always view 'scientific studies' with eyes wide open. Everyone has an agenda behind these studies.
Either way, there is always a risk when competing in sport.
I'm skeptical.
And I certainly don't want to see some knee jerk reaction by the soccer community.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Mar 4, 2014 10:42:36 GMT -6
I don't know about studies but I know my daughter's concussion was cleat to head not from heading the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 11:15:43 GMT -6
I don't know about studies but I know my daughter's concussion was cleat to head not from heading the ball. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using proboards Good point. Concussions should be taken seriously.
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Post by quepasa on Mar 4, 2014 15:01:28 GMT -6
I have seen plenty of U12 and below games in my life and can count the headers I saw on 1 hand.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 4, 2014 15:32:01 GMT -6
I also read a study a while back (conducted in Europe) that stated soccer players had higher intelligence than the average population. Kind of contradictory that someone could be smarter with all that alleged "head trauma".
I'm not sure there is a correlation between people of higher intelligence having a lesser risk of brain trauma. I'm not aware of any studies that have looked at minor brain traumatic injuries and their effects on intelligence, but even if an effect were shown, that still does not necessarily mean that soccer players as a whole are any less intelligent when normalized with other sport playing populations.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 16:07:25 GMT -6
I also read a study a while back (conducted in Europe) that stated soccer players had higher intelligence than the average population. Kind of contradictory that someone could be smarter with all that alleged "head trauma".
I'm not sure there is a correlation between people of higher intelligence having a lesser risk of brain trauma. I'm not aware of any studies that have looked at minor brain traumatic injuries and their effects on intelligence, but even if an effect were shown, that still does not necessarily mean that soccer players as a whole are any less intelligent when normalized with other sport playing populations. Guess I should have been a little more lucid. That comment was made tongue-in-cheek.
I get a little frustrated when people seem to believe everything they read and hear.
The next thing will be soccer players wearing helmets or some form of protective headgear.
As a general rule, you have to consider the true "source" of these "scientific studies". Usually a PR firm hired by an organization that wants to further their agenda.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Apr 21, 2014 5:08:58 GMT -6
Yes it should. I have told my young sons to stop until they are much older. To say that heading a soccer ball is not a potential head trauma issue is short sighted. I tell my kids, soccer is temporary but head trauma can be forever.
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Post by offtherecord on Apr 21, 2014 7:23:41 GMT -6
My daughter, current U12, wears a concussion headband now because she wants to. Previously she got her "bell rung" after taking a header off a throw in so we talked about getting one. She likes to use her head in the game and feels better wearing it. She went for a header off a corner in one of our state cup games in New Orleans weekend before last. She got her head on it but it went slightly over the goal. Her coach told her that if she DIDN'T have on the concussion band that it would have gone in the goal. He later said he was just teasing with her, but his comment upset her and me too.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Apr 22, 2014 8:52:51 GMT -6
I have made my daughter (now 16) wear one for the past few years after learning the second leading sport for concussions (behind American football)was ladies soccer. She does not like it but her brain is more important and one day she will understand.
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Post by upper90 on Apr 22, 2014 11:00:41 GMT -6
Pretty soon we will all just be in protective bubbles so no one ever gets a scratch on them.
Proper heading technique is the key here. Teach kids how to properly head the ball, and they shouldn't be afraid to head it and there would be less head injuries related to heading the ball.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 22, 2014 11:56:36 GMT -6
My take on this is that we don't know for sure that heading the ball caused his brain issues or when this damage occurred.
I think it is wise to be cautious and of course, teach proper technique.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 8:22:28 GMT -6
There's a difference between concussions and alleged head trauma from repeated heading of a soccer ball.
At the younger ages, the ball rarely has enough velocity to really pose a threat. Concussions generally come from head to ground or head to head/body contact.
As parents, we generally want to shield our kids from anything that poses a threat. Human nature.
The problem is that we have become so risk averse as a society that our fears become irrational.
One way to reduce head injury risk is to teach proper technique.
Hard to get a concussion when the ball is played on the ground more.
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Post by offtherecord on Apr 23, 2014 8:52:44 GMT -6
There's a difference between concussions and alleged head trauma from repeated heading of a soccer ball. At the younger ages, the ball rarely has enough velocity to really pose a threat. Concussions generally come from head to ground or head to head/body contact. As parents, we generally want to shield our kids from anything that poses a threat. Human nature. The problem is that we have become so risk averse as a society that our fears become irrational. One way to reduce head injury risk is to teach proper technique. Hard to get a concussion when the ball is played on the ground more. Agreed, but corners are not typically played on the ground Also, perfecting proper technique doesn't happen over night. Lots of practice. Lots of balls to the head. My child loves to try and use her head. She isn't afraid. She just doesn't enjoy that horrific headache that comes with it. If the concussion band can help alleviate that, I don't see the harm in wearing it
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Post by offtherecord on Apr 23, 2014 9:04:45 GMT -6
Pretty soon we will all just be in protective bubbles so no one ever gets a scratch on them. Proper heading technique is the key here. Teach kids how to properly head the ball, and they shouldn't be afraid to head it and there would be less head injuries related to heading the ball. Bubble Soccer
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Post by cajunfit on Apr 28, 2014 13:07:17 GMT -6
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