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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 12:24:49 GMT -6
Think since the finals have been over a while and everyone has 'recovered' from mardi gras, etc. the timing for this is appropriate.
Here is my disclaimer.
I'm going to start this by initially saying that I strongly feel that there are some Shreve players deserving of at least serious consideration. At a minimum, at least one second team and possibly 2 or 3 honorable mentions.
granted it is probably a long shot. But not for the right reasons.
To be fair, I haven't seen ALL of the top players play this season. But I have seen the majority of the sophomores, juniors and some seniors play both club and high school ball over the last couple of years.
And while I'm biased (aren't we all?) I can be intellectually honest enough to say that there are players from Shreve (and other district 1 players) that could and would be starters and impact players for any hs team in the state.
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Post by loJic on Mar 7, 2014 12:59:25 GMT -6
Since I don't have to vote I can throw some names around from my local area. Highlighted are the one's I think are definitely deserving.
St. Paul's
Cam Robinson, FW, SR
Eric Guin, MF, JR
Colin Hanley, GK, JR
Collin Ross, DF, SO
Grace King
Hisham Abdelaziz, MF, SR
Nestor Peralta, FW, SR
Oscar Vega, DF, SR
Brother Martin
John Fourcade Jr, DF, SR
Pierce Rubenstein, MF, SR
Christian Canales, FW, JR
Jesuit
Nick Tadros, GK, SR
Mitch Bourgeois, DF, SR
Chase Rushing, MF, SO
Bonnabel
Sharif Sharif
Didn't see Holy Cross, Rummel or Shaw this year. Nor did I see John Ehret, West Jeff, Helen Cox or Higgins. Bonnabel had a defender who I thought was stout, but heard he left the team midyear. Also, Mandeville has some great players, but none really stood out. Well coached group.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 13:51:33 GMT -6
lojic you have the fortitude to nominate sophomores. Well done!
Although I think it's Chase Rushing at Jesuit.
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Post by loJic on Mar 7, 2014 14:00:13 GMT -6
lojic you have the fortitude to nominate sophomores. Well done! Although I think it's Chase Rushing at Jesuit. Hahaha, yes Chase Rushing. Chris Rushing is the keeper on my 7v7 squad. Doh! |
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Post by squeak11 on Mar 7, 2014 14:15:50 GMT -6
Acadiana
Dayton Prejean, Sr - MF
Ross Pellerin, Sr - GK
Salvador Colin, Jr - MF
Kade Kling, Jr - FW
Lafayette
Ezra Hebert, Sr - MF
Nelson Kennerson, Sr - DF
Baton Rouge
Yohan Shirazi, Sr? - DF
Roman Splicer, Sr? - MF
Catholic BR
Chris Bordelon, Sr - MF
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 10:06:38 GMT -6
Okay, I'm going to put in my 2 cents regarding Shreve players.
Sr. Attacking mid Andrew Doughty
Numbers: 20 goals and 10 assists. 4th in goals among D1 midfielders. 5th in assists for D1 midfielders. 2nd in state in goals per game for d1 midfielders. 4th in total points.
Scored the only goal against St. Paul's in the playoffs. (Only goal scored against them in playoffs.)
Jr. forward Chad Usry
18 goals and 12 assists. 5th in state amongst d1 forwards. Tied for 2nd in assists amongst d1 d1 forwards. 5th overall in goals per game avg.
Numbers are only a part of the equation. The quality of the goals are indicative of his technical ability. Arguably the best target forward in the state.
Sophomore defensive midfielder Hardy Hall
Numbers: 11 goals and 13 assists. Tied for 2nd in state (and led team and district) overall in assists and leads all d1 midfielders in assists per game. While not a prolific goalscorer the 11 goals came from taking 28 shots.
Beyond the stats, he played largely a defensive role. The majority of Shreve's counterattacks and overall buildup play were the result of him winning the ball and playing 1 and 2 touch passes. Didn't keep track but I'm pretty sure he also led the team in tackles/dispossessions. Unlike a lot of "enforcers" he can also actually play.
Jr. midfielder Nic Hammond
15 goals and 12 assists. 5th overall in total points amongst d1 midfielders. 4th in goals per game avg. for d1 midfielders.
Hammond is an outstanding 1v1 attacker. Two footed and was responsible for creating a lot of Shreve's scoring chances with his raids inside the 18. I can't remember a game where he didn't get inside the box at least 5 times. Probably average around 7. Not only that, but, unlike a lot of attacking mids/wingers he also tracked back defensively. Worked tirelessly box to box.
These 4 are players among the top d1 players in the state. If they were rostered on Lafayette, Northshore or New Orleans team this post wouldn't even be necessary.
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Post by seatrout on Mar 11, 2014 12:17:51 GMT -6
Okay, I'm going to put in my 2 cents regarding Shreve players. Sr. Attacking mid Andrew Doughty Numbers: 20 goals and 10 assists. 4th in goals among D1 midfielders. 5th in assists for D1 midfielders. 2nd in state in goals per game for d1 midfielders. 4th in total points. Scored the only goal against St. Paul's in the playoffs. (Only goal scored against them in playoffs.) Jr. forward Chad Usry 18 goals and 12 assists. 5th in state amongst d1 forwards. Tied for 2nd in assists amongst d1 d1 forwards. 5th overall in goals per game avg. Numbers are only a part of the equation. The quality of the goals are indicative of his technical ability. Arguably the best target forward in the state. Sophomore defensive midfielder Hardy Hall Numbers: 11 goals and 13 assists. Tied for 2nd in state (and led team and district) overall in assists and leads all d1 midfielders in assists per game. While not a prolific goalscorer the 11 goals came from taking 28 shots. Beyond the stats, he played largely a defensive role. The majority of Shreve's counterattacks and overall buildup play were the result of him winning the ball and playing 1 and 2 touch passes. Didn't keep track but I'm pretty sure he also led the team in tackles/dispossessions. Unlike a lot of "enforcers" he can also actually play. Jr. midfielder Nic Hammond 15 goals and 12 assists. 5th overall in total points amongst d1 midfielders. 4th in goals per game avg. for d1 midfielders. Hammond is an outstanding 1v1 attacker. Two footed and was responsible for creating a lot of Shreve's scoring chances with his raids inside the 18. I can't remember a game where he didn't get inside the box at least 5 times. Probably average around 7. Not only that, but, unlike a lot of attacking mids/wingers he also tracked back defensively. Worked tirelessly box to box. These 4 are players among the top d1 players in the state. If they were rostered on Lafayette, Northshore or New Orleans team this post wouldn't even be necessary. Shreve's player stats are exaggerated because you did not many difficult teams!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 13:19:52 GMT -6
Okay, I'm going to put in my 2 cents regarding Shreve players. Sr. Attacking mid Andrew Doughty Numbers: 20 goals and 10 assists. 4th in goals among D1 midfielders. 5th in assists for D1 midfielders. 2nd in state in goals per game for d1 midfielders. 4th in total points. Scored the only goal against St. Paul's in the playoffs. (Only goal scored against them in playoffs.) Jr. forward Chad Usry 18 goals and 12 assists. 5th in state amongst d1 forwards. Tied for 2nd in assists amongst d1 d1 forwards. 5th overall in goals per game avg. Numbers are only a part of the equation. The quality of the goals are indicative of his technical ability. Arguably the best target forward in the state. Sophomore defensive midfielder Hardy Hall Numbers: 11 goals and 13 assists. Tied for 2nd in state (and led team and district) overall in assists and leads all d1 midfielders in assists per game. While not a prolific goalscorer the 11 goals came from taking 28 shots. Beyond the stats, he played largely a defensive role. The majority of Shreve's counterattacks and overall buildup play were the result of him winning the ball and playing 1 and 2 touch passes. Didn't keep track but I'm pretty sure he also led the team in tackles/dispossessions. Unlike a lot of "enforcers" he can also actually play. Jr. midfielder Nic Hammond 15 goals and 12 assists. 5th overall in total points amongst d1 midfielders. 4th in goals per game avg. for d1 midfielders. Hammond is an outstanding 1v1 attacker. Two footed and was responsible for creating a lot of Shreve's scoring chances with his raids inside the 18. I can't remember a game where he didn't get inside the box at least 5 times. Probably average around 7. Not only that, but, unlike a lot of attacking mids/wingers he also tracked back defensively. Worked tirelessly box to box. These 4 are players among the top d1 players in the state. If they were rostered on Lafayette, Northshore or New Orleans team this post wouldn't even be necessary. Shreve's player stats are exaggerated because you did not many difficult teams!
How would you know? You an expert?
Look, I'm not taking anything away from any other d1 players. There are some good ones. A few truly exceptional.
But, we are talking about individual players. Not teams. I've seen most if not all of the 'highly touted' high school players in this state. And I can honestly say these players I have mentioned are in the same class. Possibly even better.
But that's why I didn't strictly frame my case based on stats alone.
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Post by seatrout on Mar 11, 2014 14:26:20 GMT -6
Dude really!
You talking about all STATE not just starting on some H S division one team. There is a difference! I realize Shreve. was pretty good this year but 4 on all STATE.... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 14:43:03 GMT -6
Dude really!
You talking about all STATE not just starting on some H S division one team. There is a difference! I realize Shreve. was pretty good this year but 4 on all STATE.... I'm not saying all should be first teamers. Maybe one first teamer. One or two second team and maybe an honorable mention.
Like I said, I've seen most of these players play. Either hs or club, or both.
Have YOU seen any of these 4 players play? In either venue?
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Post by seatrout on Mar 11, 2014 15:27:13 GMT -6
Dude really!
You talking about all STATE not just starting on some H S division one team. There is a difference! I realize Shreve. was pretty good this year but 4 on all STATE.... I'm not saying all should be first teamers. Maybe one first teamer. One or two second team and maybe an honorable mention.
Like I said, I've seen most of these players play. Either hs or club, or both.
Have YOU seen any of these 4 players play? In either venue?
Yes I have seen them play many times.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 15:45:56 GMT -6
I'm not saying all should be first teamers. Maybe one first teamer. One or two second team and maybe an honorable mention.
Like I said, I've seen most of these players play. Either hs or club, or both.
Have YOU seen any of these 4 players play? In either venue?
Yes I have seen them play many times.....
Sorry...don't believe you. Back to your pond...
Oh and watch out for gators!
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Post by f2 on Mar 11, 2014 21:42:57 GMT -6
Who is this seatrout guy?
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Post by soccerdude7 on Mar 11, 2014 22:58:32 GMT -6
Michel Fleurent-jr D Lafayette
Dayton Prejean-sr MF Acadiana
Yannik Hebert-sr MF Lafayette
Ezra Hebert-sr F Lafayette
Chris Bordelon-sr MF Catholic BR
Kade Kling-jr F Acadiana
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Post by 10futbol10 on Mar 14, 2014 0:47:12 GMT -6
Dude really!
You talking about all STATE not just starting on some H S division one team. There is a difference! I realize Shreve. was pretty good this year but 4 on all STATE.... Are you going to say something about the other people posting 4 people from one school? |
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Post by squeak11 on Mar 14, 2014 10:00:15 GMT -6
Y'all need to realize that this is just posters throwing names of players they think deserve mentioning for all-state out there. Will they all make it? No. Does that mean some one should stop throw names out there? No. Sometimes coaches only remember players on teams they saw play by their jersey number and not by name. This helps coaches put names to jersey numbers.
Do not criticize any player that will be listed. This is not a place to bash someone
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 10:36:06 GMT -6
Y'all need to realize that this is just posters throwing names of players they think deserve mentioning for all-state out there. Will they all make it? No. Does that mean some one should stop throw names out there? No. Sometimes coaches only remember players on teams they saw play by their jersey number and not by name. This helps coaches put names to jersey numbers. Do not criticize any player that will be listed. This is not a place to bash someone I agree with you for the most part. The problem is, everyone just tends to "throw names out there".
And when I read some of the hyperbole about certain players (that I have personally seen play) I have to shake my head.
At least I tried to frame my argument in a more structured format. As opposed to just throwing numbers and proclaiming "he's the best".
In no way do I realistically expect the players I mentioned to actually be selected. But let's be perfectly candid. No player north of I-10 ever makes the cut.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Mar 26, 2014 22:54:23 GMT -6
Y'all need to realize that this is just posters throwing names of players they think deserve mentioning for all-state out there. Will they all make it? No. Does that mean some one should stop throw names out there? No. Sometimes coaches only remember players on teams they saw play by their jersey number and not by name. This helps coaches put names to jersey numbers. Do not criticize any player that will be listed. This is not a place to bash someone I agree with you for the most part. The problem is, everyone just tends to "throw names out there".
And when I read some of the hyperbole about certain players (that I have personally seen play) I have to shake my head.
At least I tried to frame my argument in a more structured format. As opposed to just throwing numbers and proclaiming "he's the best".
In no way do I realistically expect the players I mentioned to actually be selected. But let's be perfectly candid. No player north of I-10 ever makes the cut.
This is where I tell you that if enough voters from north if I10 voted, you would have second teamers at least as usually only 3 votes is the threshold for second team all state, never more than 4 is minimum threshold in a given year since I've been VP of LHSSCA. Now I will say this... All year some Capt Shreve people talked about their new scheduling plan (IE, previous coach watered down schedule and didn't travel south at all). While it worked a bit in terms of record and hosting playoff games... This is where you will see it drastically hurt you... How many voting coaches saw your players play this year? How many in big games? That's the key... I think Coach Slack will have a slightly different scheduling policy then his previous predecessor. When he was at Loyola, his teams were battle tested and travelled all over to be tested. Good years ahead for Shreve I feel! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 7:08:28 GMT -6
I agree with you for the most part. The problem is, everyone just tends to "throw names out there".
And when I read some of the hyperbole about certain players (that I have personally seen play) I have to shake my head.
At least I tried to frame my argument in a more structured format. As opposed to just throwing numbers and proclaiming "he's the best".
In no way do I realistically expect the players I mentioned to actually be selected. But let's be perfectly candid. No player north of I-10 ever makes the cut.
This is where I tell you that if enough voters from north if I10 voted, you would have second teamers at least as usually only 3 votes is the threshold for second team all state, never more than 4 is minimum threshold in a given year since I've been VP of LHSSCA. Now I will say this... All year some Capt Shreve people talked about their new scheduling plan (IE, previous coach watered down schedule and didn't travel south at all). While it worked a bit in terms of record and hosting playoff games... This is where you will see it drastically hurt you... How many voting coaches saw your players play this year? How many in big games? That's the key... I think Coach Slack will have a slightly different scheduling policy then his previous predecessor. When he was at Loyola, his teams were battle tested and travelled all over to be tested. Good years ahead for Shreve I feel! So, are you saying there wasn't much 'participation' (voting) up north?
Shreve's schedule certainly was not intentionally watered down. That said, last year Shreve played both the St. Paul's and La Showcase events. Neither of those events made a difference when all state voting came around. Kenny Chism was certainly worth at least a second team spot.
So, I personally don't think that playing more events down south makes a difference. The only way an individual player from up north is going to make all state is if his team makes it to the semifinals. And even then said player would have to really stand head and shoulders above the others to get southern coaches to notice.
Now, that's just my opinion...
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