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Post by Drogba21 on Apr 17, 2014 16:45:30 GMT -6
In no way do I seek to diminish the struggle that this young man and his family have endured, but if LHSAA starts making allowances for kids whose fathers have been murdered and have educational development issues and live in areas plagued by daily violence and intimidation by lawless groups.....then I bet there are 2,000 of those type cases in Orleans Parish alone who would love an additional year..or two. This is not a hardship issue, this is a math issue. 18+1=19 Ok I understand if the LHSAA rules either way because I see validity in both sides of the argument but disagree in what you are saying. How is this not a hardship case? That is the only issue about this case. If clement hadn't endured hardship than there wouldn't be a case, but he did. It's not just a "math issue" wow that sounds incompetent. I agree with both sides of the argument but the bottom line is that this is a Hardship case. I could see it going either way but I doubt the LHSAA will over rule their decision that has already been made.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 17:53:59 GMT -6
In no way do I seek to diminish the struggle that this young man and his family have endured, but if LHSAA starts making allowances for kids whose fathers have been murdered and have educational development issues and live in areas plagued by daily violence and intimidation by lawless groups.....then I bet there are 2,000 of those type cases in Orleans Parish alone who would love an additional year..or two. This is not a hardship issue, this is a math issue. 18+1=19 Ok I understand if the LHSAA rules either way because I see validity in both sides of the argument but disagree in what you are saying. How is this not a hardship case? That is the only issue about this case. If clement hadn't endured hardship than there wouldn't be a case, but he did. It's not just a "math issue" wow that sounds incompetent. I agree with both sides of the argument but the bottom line is that this is a Hardship case. I could see it going either way but I doubt the LHSAA will over rule their decision that has already been made. You obviously don't agree with this case. There are age limits/restrictions associated with LHSAA participation. If the young man is a gifted athlete, then he absolutely has options. Otherwise, if this is a question of financial need, I'm sure the good folks at EHS will renew his scholarship.
Or...could this be about EHS sports in general...and winning?
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Post by Sanofi-Aventis on Apr 17, 2014 20:13:31 GMT -6
The opinions of some here (Hall, Pelota, ray, etc.) are harsh. Most of you are trying to come across as rule followers, the book says, and black & white (no gray area) people. Not all situations are the same, you sound naive when you state that it's opening a Pandora's box. If East Jefferson has a kid that fits the bill, than they should be fighting for him like EHS is for Clement. Likewise for West Monroe, Nola schools and any other school with students that have arrived seeking political asylum or whatever politically correct term we should be using. Hall, the term throw ball is ridiculous and every time you type it I dislike you more. See, I put my bias in my posts. I don't hide it. And yes, I'm a Shreve graduate. Ray, you come on here an question how the poor young man can afford to go to EHS. Do some research before you type stupid stuff like that. Most private schools offer scholarships to students that cannot afford the tuition. I'm sure when Clement showed up the first day at EHS, all they thought about was sports. They couldn't have possibly wanted to make a difference in a young mans life. They were just out to use him. I guess your private school doesn't do that. Y'all are the exception. I hope Clement has the opportunity to play next year. A student turning 19 in September instead of August plays next year. I know you guys are outraged over that too. So glad that students father waited an extra month before impregnating said students mother. He will be almost 20 in the spring too. So unfair. Let's just cancel next years sports seasons.
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Post by coachray40 on Apr 17, 2014 21:43:22 GMT -6
WHoaaaaaaa Sanofi......time to cut back on the 2 for $4 Monster drinks at Racetrack!
Let me make something perfectly clear--I have no issues with Clement. Im sure he is a fine young man. I've met him. Seems like a good kid. Im sure he is well liked by his peer group and they want HIM to play.
Now, let me type some more stupid stuff. My questions (they were QUESTIONS, not opinions, suppositions or statements)about Clement's financial backing in this case are certainly warranted. EHS, its students, and the local media have had no problem with promoting Clement's case, and utilizing the tools available to them to acquire public sympathy for him. THEY brought Clement's life into the fishbowl. Sorry if its painful, but the minute you open up for peoples sympathy, you allow them the ability to QUESTION the validity of that need. Thats why they call it demonstrated need. I have the RIGHT to ask, and be given that info. I've been lucky enough to be provided with a lot of information about Clement's case on a personal level from those close to him. I still stand by my right to ask. You're asking something from me--sympathy for his situation that will bring my or anyone elses positive influence to his case. By doing that, I'll ask questions to make sure I understand EXACTLY what I'm supporting.
Clement's situation and life story are heart wrenching. He has had a hard life, but it seems to be a lot better now with the quality of the education he is receiving, as well as the potential for him to play collegiate sports on scholarship. Lets hold that thought for a second as I ask two questions though.
1) Is Clement a worthy athlete or not? We've been told that he's small and doesnt make that much difference as an athlete, but yet we are ALSO told that the main reason for the request of an additional year is so that he can put his talent on display with the intent on gaining a sports scholarship that will help his family. Well, last time I checked, guys getting scholarships are pretty good. So which is it? Is he good at the sports he plays or not? The presentation of Clements actual athletic ability has been done from both ends of the same spectrum. Either he is a stud, or he isnt. If he is a stud and can get a scholarship, then this IS about athletics and possibly winning. If he isnt a stud then why does playing matter so much?
2) Is Clement getting kicked out of school if this appeal doesnt go through? Will Episcopal not let him return if he cant play? My impression is the answer to both of these questions is no. Clements sad story WILL give him the opportunity that matters the most--the opportunity of a great education at one of LA's best private schools. He will not suffer because of this, and the education he gets will provide him way more than the only potential rewards of playing collegiate sports. There are many with uphill struggles throughout the state that would kill for what Clement has.
Because of the answers to these two questions, it certainly makes the appearance of this whole process of getting Clement more eligibility look like it is based solely on his ability to provide something of considerable worth to EHS from an athletic standpoint. In other, more simple words, the ability for the Knight sports teams he participates on to have a competitive edge. Only time will tell if thats actually the case, but right now, from an outsiders point of view, thats what it LOOKS like. If it isnt that way, then certainly those asking questions should be entitled to answers.
Do I believe he appreciates every bit of what he gets through the generosity of others? Yes I do. Unfortunately for him, though, is that the opportunity to play sports in HS is a PRIVILEGE, not a right. Its a privilege that he has already taken part in and had a fair chance at. Every entity has bent over backward to allow him to participate, and he has done so. He has had the same amount of opportunity to participate as EVERY OTHER HS ATHLETE IN LA. Now, his journey in THAT regard has come to an end. Its not like he didnt get a chance to play--he has, and plenty. The standards that have been agreed upon are now past him.
I think the main thing that those who oppose allowing Clement to have an additional chance keep saying is not that they dont feel bad for him, but rather, and unfortunately, a line has to be drawn somewhere. Clement isnt missing the cutoff by a few days or even a few weeks. Its more like 50 days. It IS a pandoras box because there will be a flood of these kinds of cases (there already are, just not with quite as dramatic a background story) that will now DEMAND to be given credence based on any ruling that allows Clement to play--a ruling that effectively sets a LEGALLY CHALLENGEABLE PRECEDENT. Eventually, one of these cases will be rebuffed, and the inevitable lawsuit will come. That is why the standard gets set. It has to be set....somewhere. Clements story is not about a kid who will lose everything because he wont get to play sports. Its more about making sure that ALL LA High School athletes are held to the same standards and levels of accountability. Clement will finish HS in the US with a great diploma. His story will reach many more, who will be sympathetic to him (and rightfully so) and more doors will get opened for him in the future regardless of his participation in ANOTHER year of HS sports. The damage that can be done by allowing Clement, or ANY athlete, to evade the set standard for participation will have a bigger and both more negative and longer lasting impact on many many more people. In my humble opinion, that far outweighs what becomes the minimal and only "personal" good allowing him to play provides.
Im not sorry if it annoys some of ya'll off that I feel this way. I dont have a bias Sanofi. I just agree with the current standard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 9:37:48 GMT -6
The opinions of some here (Hall, Pelota, ray, etc.) are harsh. Most of you are trying to come across as rule followers, the book says, and black & white (no gray area) people. Not all situations are the same, you sound naive when you state that it's opening a Pandora's box. If East Jefferson has a kid that fits the bill, than they should be fighting for him like EHS is for Clement. Likewise for West Monroe, Nola schools and any other school with students that have arrived seeking political asylum or whatever politically correct term we should be using. Hall, the term throw ball is ridiculous and every time you type it I dislike you more. See, I put my bias in my posts. I don't hide it. And yes, I'm a Shreve graduate. Ray, you come on here an question how the poor young man can afford to go to EHS. Do some research before you type stupid stuff like that. Most private schools offer scholarships to students that cannot afford the tuition. I'm sure when Clement showed up the first day at EHS, all they thought about was sports. They couldn't have possibly wanted to make a difference in a young mans life. They were just out to use him. I guess your private school doesn't do that. Y'all are the exception. I hope Clement has the opportunity to play next year. A student turning 19 in September instead of August plays next year. I know you guys are outraged over that too. So glad that students father waited an extra month before impregnating said students mother. He will be almost 20 in the spring too. So unfair. Let's just cancel next years sports seasons. Hey, thanks for sharing. And why would I care about pleasing you anyway? You think it matters to me where you graduated from? Really don't get your point about injecting bias. By using the term "throwball" (which I didn't come up with by the way) I am openly stating my dislike for that 'brand' of football.
Now, back to the subject at hand.
The proponents for this young man seem to act as if this extra year of athletic eligibility will somehow dictate the rest of his life. What will it accomplish?
As I mentioned before, he can enroll at a juco and play running back. (Assuming he's that good.)
Will EHS not renew his scholarship if he is not eligible for athletics? I don't know.
Being close to the cutoff date shouldn't warrant special consideration either.
At any rate, how can you expect to further your argument by hurling personal insults?
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Post by Antimatter on Apr 18, 2014 10:18:25 GMT -6
Let me start by saying I am not certain where I would have voted were I on the committee deciding whether to give Clement another year of play. I think the fact that he has played four years of high school soccer works against him. However, if the committee had voted the other way, I would not have had a huge problem with it either. They might have opened the floodgate for a number of latino players in the state who have age issues. There are a lot of immigrants who started school from behind and are over the playing age as seniors.
The folks with Episcopal and Clement himself are being VERY disingenuous in their PR campaign when they speak of Clement needing this for a college scholarship. The principal sounds like she sells used cars.
First off, if Clement is good enough for a college soccer scholarship, playing another year of high school soccer will not matter. This is not American Football(Throwball is an arrogant sounding term). where high school is the only road to a college athletic scholarship. Second, if Episcopal is indeed giving him financial aid for need which I believe to be the case, then a good kid who has been through what Clement has endured will easily qualify for a financial aid package in college regardless of whether he plays soccer or not.
IT is that padding of the narrative that leads me to believe that this is more about EHS athletics and less about Clement's future. If he had just said I want to play with my team another year I would probably be more in his corner.
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Post by nolapelota on Apr 18, 2014 19:01:45 GMT -6
And there is another issue related to fairness. I repeat.... if he was a student at John Curtis with the same life story and wanted to play football another year for Curtis when he was 19, would you vote for allowing it?
If the LHSAA allowed him to play for Curtis, and he led a team to a State Championship, what would you say? What would half of this board say?
He can play club or whatever. He can concentrate on his studies and improve his academics. But regardless, being over the age limit is not a result of a "hardship." If he hadn't had a hardship, he would have already graduated after playing four years of high school sports. This campaign is starting to have an odor....
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Post by Chalmetteowl on Apr 20, 2014 19:17:40 GMT -6
i'd support him getting an extra year if he was in a sport like golf or track and field where his performance doesn't affect his competitors and his participation doesn't keep a legal aged kid on the bench...
Episcopal could also let him play if it matters that much to them, but willingly forfeit every game and their chance at a state championship. if they care about him and not just winning a championship, that's what they'll do
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Post by p_malinich on Apr 23, 2014 18:45:19 GMT -6
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Post by p_malinich on Apr 23, 2014 21:06:23 GMT -6
It was reconsidered & returned to the calendar on Tuesday. Subject to call. Sounds very indefinite to me...
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Post by newosoccerfan on Apr 24, 2014 12:35:05 GMT -6
It was reconsidered & returned to the calendar on Tuesday. Subject to call. Sounds very indefinite to me... I think that means they killed it without saying they killed, and it will just die at the end of the session on the calendar having never been recalled. (It already failed and wasn't successfully reconsidered. So who will vote for it?) The Senator who introduced it can say "it isn't dead yet" until the session ends. NewO
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Apr 24, 2014 13:36:42 GMT -6
There is a new bill, House Bill 1276, by an Episcopal graduate, that says, basically, that if the Episcopal player doesn't get to play sports next year that the LHSAA can't use the Superdome for the state finals. New House Bill
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Post by rlb2024 on Apr 24, 2014 18:35:12 GMT -6
There is a new bill, House Bill 1276, by an Episcopal graduate, that says, basically, that if the Episcopal player doesn't get to play sports next year that the LHSAA can't use the Superdome for the state finals. New House BillWow. Seriously? I don't care what side of this argument you are on, it's ridiculous bills like this that shed some insight into why so many people are apathetic about politics. Now the Legislature (or at least some committee) has to waste time on a totally foolish and self-serving bill like this. No wonder politicians are held in such low regard. Aren't there a few more serious issues that our elected "leaders" need to spend their time considering? Maybe less important things like, say, the budget? Education? Infrastructure? I know all states have their foolishness such as this. But do we have to encourage it??
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Post by p_malinich on Apr 24, 2014 20:10:04 GMT -6
There is a new bill, House Bill 1276, by an Episcopal graduate, that says, basically, that if the Episcopal player doesn't get to play sports next year that the LHSAA can't use the Superdome for the state finals. New House BillWow. Seriously? I don't care what side of this argument you are on, it's ridiculous bills like this that shed some insight into why so many people are apathetic about politics. Now the Legislature (or at least some committee) has to waste time on a totally foolish and self-serving bill like this. No wonder politicians are held in such low regard. Aren't there a few more serious issues that our elected "leaders" need to spend their time considering? Maybe less important things like, say, the budget? Education? Infrastructure? I know all states have their foolishness such as this. But do we have to encourage it?? Wow is right. I'm on the road meeting with Pastors groups in the Northeast. When I saw Steven's post earlier today, I thought he was just messing around. I took it as very tongue-in-cheek. Had rlb not also posted, I'd have totally overlooked the link to the article & never realized that he was being serious. Words escape me...
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Apr 24, 2014 20:21:01 GMT -6
Wow. Seriously? I don't care what side of this argument you are on, it's ridiculous bills like this that shed some insight into why so many people are apathetic about politics. Now the Legislature (or at least some committee) has to waste time on a totally foolish and self-serving bill like this. No wonder politicians are held in such low regard. Aren't there a few more serious issues that our elected "leaders" need to spend their time considering? Maybe less important things like, say, the budget? Education? Infrastructure? I know all states have their foolishness such as this. But do we have to encourage it?? Wow is right. I'm on the road meeting with Pastors groups in the Northeast. When I saw Steven's post earlier today, I thought he was just messing around. I took it as very tongue-in-cheek. Had rlb not also posted, I'd have totally overlooked the link to the article & never realized that he was being serious. Words escape me... Honestly, I couldn't make something like that up. Wow is right.
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Post by Chalmetteowl on Apr 25, 2014 7:17:37 GMT -6
he also wants to tie use of the Dome to the LHSAA repealing the split... if it takes that, i'll happily let Mr. Mubungirwa play one more year
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Post by time2retire on May 6, 2014 14:54:48 GMT -6
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Post by laffysoccermom on May 7, 2014 6:24:42 GMT -6
This is ridiculous. How are you going to tie use of a major facility to them allowing one player to play against rules? Not saying he should or shouldn't but in the real world, this is called coercion and looked down on.
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Post by kevin on May 7, 2014 8:47:18 GMT -6
Just wait until the LHSAA starts splitting all the playoffs. I don't know if anything will pass, but I promise you we will see a ton of proposals in the legislature. Agree with them or not, the legislature will occasionally poke their nose into the LHSAA's business, and this current flap about one student is nothing compared to what will be happening soon.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Jun 2, 2014 8:51:13 GMT -6
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