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Post by PeterPierre on Apr 8, 2014 12:53:13 GMT -6
As far as my own thoughts on seeding, I was thinking out loud and noted there were no easy answers on dividing up divisions. Not sure why Britspub decided to be a raving lunatic.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 8, 2014 12:57:11 GMT -6
Actually it was a LSA decision because a team dropped out. There were three other options-- allow a two team bracket (can understand why this wasn't chosen), combine Comp 1 and Comp 2 to have a ten team bracket, or allow both Comp 1 and Comp 2 to each have eight teams.
However, these options weren't chosen and I do not like the one chosen. Yes, we will have to play by the new rules and move on but I just was expressing my opinion that I do not like this decision although all the choices have negative consequences.
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Post by britspub on Apr 8, 2014 13:03:04 GMT -6
My clothes fit fine. My response to LSM was meant to be general for the excuses/complaints made every year. PP you make an incorrect assumption that the volunteers involved in youth soccer don’t care for the kids. That is worst assumption you could make. I challenge you PP to get involve on a bigger level at state so you can educate yourself on what those volunteers do for our kids. Don’t throw out words like special or closed door meeting. It implies things and the bandwagon joins on dumping on those volunteers who are doing their best for all the players in the state. My apologies to LSM for comments she believed were directed at her. Please PM me if you want to discuss further. At least I am not calling anyone a raving lunatic. Again as to PP get involved and educate yourself before accusing anyone of putting soccer over a kidney transplant. You can PM me as well, I am not going to play the name calling game like you have chosen. Besides, you guys have a long way to go. Wait to you get to high school soccer!
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Post by Roll tide on Apr 8, 2014 13:11:06 GMT -6
At least in high school soccer a team doesn't get bumped to a lower classification in the playoffs just to make an even (meaning # of teams) bracket. Just saying..
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Post by PeterPierre on Apr 8, 2014 13:27:20 GMT -6
I was NOT talking about the soccer volunteers. I was talking about folks who could be parents, coaches or otherwise who feel like soccer should be the only activity and reason to live for any participant in a state program.
And, yes you are acting like a raving lunatic over someone using the word special...Not closed door but special. LaffySoccerMom posts here a lot and I can recall very few complaints in her posts. She just made a damned opinion known on a message board that I thought was her for people to share thoughts and opinions rather than go off on people like a raving lunatic.
As for volunteering, I have managed multiple teams and taken on several roles in youth soccer. As for high school, I already have a child in high school soccer and find it much easier to deal with than club. Too many folks on the sidelines and in the offices think they are dealing with MLS or the World CUp rather than kids. Too many become raving lunatics over someone using the word special as an adjective to a meeting that was not shown on the regular calendar.
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Post by Slidellian on Apr 8, 2014 13:29:21 GMT -6
Britspub, need some needlenose pliers to get that hair out?
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Post by britspub on Apr 8, 2014 14:04:02 GMT -6
Special implies something out of the ordinary. Another poster said closed door. The things I stated in my first post were general and are the same things said every year. The state does this and does that. It does not care for the kids. It puts soccer over the kids etc. You can look at every thread each year and the same things are said each year, both for club and for high school. I am glad PP you put in the time on a local level. My challenge to you was the state level so you can be educated instead of saying soccer over kidney transplant. I guess I can not express my opinion like others can on this board. Am I not allowed to express my opinion, or am I limited to doing so only if I am called a lunatic. I expressed my opinion in response to insinulations of a closed door or special meeting. I used an adjective “secret” which is apparently not ok whereas special is an ok adjective. Am I not getting insulted for expressing my opinion. So I guess you win PP and now I get to see a Slidell friend is piling on. Congrats. Again to LSM sorry to misunderstand what you posted, but it certainly was open to interpretation. You don’t need to go a lower level questioning what it says about me but I understand you felt it was personal. Again not my intention. I appreciate you leaving it at that in your later post. To Jcstewart, roll tide and Stlfan thanks for your responses without the name calling.
Regarding PP and SG stay classy. At the very least if you want to call me name or insult me, do it with a PM. I will not respond to your public insults anymore.
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Post by PeterPierre on Apr 8, 2014 14:12:30 GMT -6
If only one rep from a club can go that is CLOSED DOOR. If a random parent, manager or coach is not allowed to attend to watch or participate that is CLOSED DOOR. Why so dense in your lunatical rantings?
You are allowed to express your opinion but you did it while trashing laffysoccermom and did not apologize until your last post and even that apology was guarded and weak.
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Post by britspub on Apr 8, 2014 14:24:18 GMT -6
Again who said only one rep from a club. Now each club only has one vote. Thanks for your opinion on my apology. Again I apparently can not use a reasonable interpretation of what was written but you can PP interpret whatever I write however you want. Did I mention LSM in my original post or did I respond generally to two posts that called the meeting special and closed door. Did I call anyone a lunatic. I don’t recall naming or attacking anyone with name calling. It seems only the posts you like are a reasonable interpretation but if you don’t like the post than the poster is a lunatic. Again you won’t PM me but prefer to call me names for everyone to read and have a laugh, which is what I am doing. Oh wait a second I am no longer a lunatic, but a dense lunatic. Stay classy PP, stay classy.
Petty some they will rightly close this thread. Petty soon the popcorn pictures will be out. So PP you better get all of your insults out quickly.
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State Cup
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Post by jcstewart on Apr 8, 2014 14:25:19 GMT -6
The format posted on LSA' s website is what I expected for U13G. C1 relegation has bumped a big club's top team down to C2. I guess if they're not playing well they earned it. We will see if they get it turned around.
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Post by Jerry z on Apr 8, 2014 14:33:06 GMT -6
Per LSA website the state cup format for u14 girls is 6/8/3. I'm assuming, per the comments, that 1 of the 3 C3 teams dropped. Why in the world would LSA make a team or two drop to a lower bracket because another team doesnt want to participate? Obviously when the 6/8/3 was discussed earlier in the year, LSA felt comfortable with 8 teams fighting it out for the C2 state title. Looking at the records and scores in the C2 division, there isn't much of a difference between teams 1 to 5. Seems to me that LSA had it right with the original 6/8/3 format. I see why LSM is upset. Hopefully this can be tweaked back to what it was.
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Post by PeterPierre on Apr 8, 2014 15:37:37 GMT -6
I think the u14 C2 bracket will be a competitive one. The c1 teams dropping have actually been quite even with the top few c2 teams and each other.
As to my earlier posts, tjere are folks who go overboard attacking everything the LSA does and there are folks who go overboard defending everything the LSA does. I get annoyed by both but nothing more than when someone starts saying if you are not allowed to have an opinion unless you ae more involved. There are parents with kids playing that have difficult jobs and multiple kids to manage. Many of these are single parents who may have a rough time just getting their kids to practices and games and paying all of the associated expenses. To say no one who dislikes anything the LSA does needs to get more involved is truly an unfortunate statement.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 8, 2014 15:51:33 GMT -6
This is how Webster defines special: 1spe·cial adjective \ˈspe-shəl\ : different from what is normal or usual; especially : unusual in a good way : better or more important than others
: especially important or loved
: more than is usual Full Definition of SPECIAL
1 : distinguished by some unusual quality; especially : being in some way superior <our special blend> 2 : held in particular esteem <a special friend> 3 a : readily distinguishable from others of the same category : unique <they set it apart as a special day of thanksgiving> b : of, relating to, or constituting a species : specific 4 : being other than the usual : additional, extra 5 : designed for a particular purpose or occasion
What I actually meant was designed for a particular purpose as I think the meeting was only to discuss needed tweaks. Nowhere does special mean secret.
I appreciate everyone defending me. In the end, the state made the decision and we will live with it.
I don't have to like it and if me not liking it upsets anyone then I guess you will have to be upset.
In the end, I got pulled into this sport because my daughter fell in love. I love watching her play and get better every day. I love the lessons she is learning that will apply long after whatever soccer career she has is over. I developed an enjoyment for watching the game because she loved it so much. I also loved the lessons I have learned as a parent. In some ways I think soccer and other sports help us with our helicopter parenting. I can't fix her mistakes or protect her from them. She has to learn and develop the mental toughness to move on.
I tell you this because I want you to understand where I am coming from. I am not a lifelong fan although I might end up that way. I am not a leader of my club. I am a mom who loves her kid and loves what her kid loves.
We all have disappointments and survive. This is a disappointment to me and I think a poor decision.
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Post by PeterPierre on Apr 8, 2014 19:05:23 GMT -6
Laffy, If I have this right, Slidell and Dynamo will now drop to c3? Slidell with one loss on the year and relegated is interesting because I know they also beat some c1 teams in tournaments. Dynamo with two losses has been highly competitive as well and held the best team in the c2 bracket to a 0-0 draw.
That is unfortunate. I am not sure what the answer would be though if they did not do that.
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Post by CR scoccrmom on Apr 8, 2014 19:33:43 GMT -6
Simple solution would be to have a 10 team C2 bracket. I'm sure this format has been done before. Dropping those 2 teams down just to make another bracket doesn't seem right. I'm sure once the official brackets are made public it will not go over very well with those 2 clubs.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 8, 2014 21:19:08 GMT -6
That's what I thought they would do- a ten team bracket but apparently not.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 9, 2014 19:57:59 GMT -6
One last thought.... wish they would consider having teams register for state cup when lcsl starts. Make it part of the commitment. Possibly have an out where if your roster drops below a certain size due to injury or the like- you could be excused.
Just something to consider.....
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Post by 2dominifans on Apr 15, 2014 8:33:53 GMT -6
So LSA posts that we will have 6 teams in U14 C1 State Cup. Does anyone know how those teams will be broken into brackets?
The obvious solution would be that one bracket is (1,4,5)the other would be (2,3,6), but what if they are playing Cross Bracket?
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 15, 2014 9:39:18 GMT -6
Looked on website and looks like it will be 1, 3, 6 and 2, 4, 5 playing cross bracket and four advance for finals.
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Post by Antimatter on Apr 15, 2014 9:40:06 GMT -6
Laffy, Slidell Swat may have more to grumble about with their draw. With a four team bracket, you play every team in the bracket the first weekend and the top two teams play one championship game the next. So, when Dynamo and Swat go to the championship, Slidell will have to drive to Lafayette to play a single game against a team they will have played the week before. At least y'all will have a home game that second weekend. What someone else said is also true in that Dynamo and Swat have been very competitive agaisnt teams at C1 and C2. I think LSA should have just allowed a two team c3 Championship game where they play a best two out of three for the title. I may not think LSA is perfect but I do believe the bylaws should grant them the ability to go away from the usual breakup if competition in that particular age group and gender does not readily fit. I do not envy their job either way. They can never please everyone.
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