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Post by playwide on Sept 27, 2014 22:18:44 GMT -6
Schedules just released for United Cup have u18b playing at 730am and Noon on Saturday. SMH....
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Post by time2retire on Sept 28, 2014 6:41:02 GMT -6
Cool story bro.
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Post by pshenton on Sept 28, 2014 19:34:00 GMT -6
Starting earlier= more games, more teams, more money
And that's what it's all about
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 28, 2014 20:16:09 GMT -6
Also they may have scheduled older teams earlier due to homecoming.
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Post by jcstewart on Sept 29, 2014 12:56:50 GMT -6
I noticed a U11G division with 7:30am starts.
I also noticed a few 6 team divisions (2 brackets of 3) play 2 bracket games Saturday with the Sunday games being 'finals' matching A1 v B1 and the consolations matching A2 v B2 and B3 v C3 thus doing away with the extra customary finals game.
More teams = more money = less fields and time available.
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Post by coachray40 on Sept 30, 2014 9:34:54 GMT -6
I have never seen a tournament anywhere with a checkoff box as to what time your team finds it acceptable to show up and play. Homecoming is very very important to these aged athletes--if they were forced to play later then they would whine about the late kickoff time and homecoming impact.
early times=more kids available=better quality competiton.....last time i checked you pay the same amount regardless of when you play, and you do that well before the schedule comes out
As for the format in the 6 team bracket--this format should ensure no 2 game same day same team matchups that have become very pointless on Sundays. Too many times, we see the same two teams playing in prelimary/bracket rounds, then again in the finals---redundant. You sign up in a tournament for three games and thats what youre getting. Whats the issue? All this after there is so many complaints ALL THE TIME about the developmental inappropriateness of multiple games in the same weekend.
Maybe this thread should be called the Early morning parent whiners club"--as it doesnt seem that the kids are complaining ...they'll show up at ANY time and play.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 30, 2014 10:36:15 GMT -6
I remember one tournament we had a 7 am game. It was so foggy at game time that you could not see across field the short way much less the long way. Ref could not delay game so he decided there would be no offsides in first half. ARs were stationed behind goals so they could see if bright orange ball went in. Game was called normal during second half. I had no problems with it as both teams were told prior to each half. Some parents balked but I don't know what else he could have done.
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Post by playwide on Sept 30, 2014 14:45:11 GMT -6
We got it, it's ok to request earlier times so you can go to Homecoming, but it's not ok to request a later game so that those u18 boys that have to drive themselves safely to the event shouldn't have to get on the road out of New Orleans at 5:15am after their school events on Friday night.....I got it. The usual wisdom coming from the usual folks.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 30, 2014 15:20:19 GMT -6
It's ok to request it for any reason. A tournament may or may not comply with requests.
I was just stating why they may have scheduled like that but I don't know. Other was just a story....
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Post by playwide on Sept 30, 2014 15:46:49 GMT -6
Laffy mom, my post was not intended as a response to you. I apologize if it was perceived as such.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 30, 2014 20:47:40 GMT -6
I was looking at schedule just out of curiosity and saw in one younger age group, a team had a 7:30 am game and a 7:00 pm game. That seemed a lil ridiculous to me but you couldn't pay me to try to do a tournament schedule.
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Post by coachray40 on Oct 1, 2014 6:43:40 GMT -6
We got it, it's ok to request earlier times so you can go to Homecoming, but it's not ok to request a later game so that those u18 boys that have to drive themselves safely to the event shouldn't have to get on the road out of New Orleans at 5:15am after their school events on Friday night.....I got it. The usual wisdom coming from the usual folks. More like the usual self indulgence coming from the usual folks. School events friday night? Okay...if that means attending football games, maybe playing in them, or being in the band and the support groups, then I get that and I understand that those young athletes might not get home till 11 PM. Take a shower and get to bed because you have a game in the morning. I would suspect that not every player is in one of these groups. Those that are had to have some inkling way back in August that multiple activities (i.e.--club soccer and HS football) will probably have some overlaps. Those overlaps will cause some problems from time to time, but hey...you chose to do multiple things. Nobody held a gun to your head. I would suspect however that this might be more geared to post game parties because of homecoming. Not a real reason to change a schedule. If its that important, then miss the early morning game so you can sleep in. This tournament date was long ago placed on the calendar. Your coach didnt just tell you last week that you were going. If you have a schedule, and a school calendar, and are anywhere near responsible, then you can figure out where your, or your childs potential conflicts are. Dont wait till the last minute, not look at anything and then complain cause its not convenient for you. Im very sure some of these kids get up early to go the beach, go to the hunting camp, go to tailgate. Im sure many of THOSE plans got made more on the fly than scheduleing this tournament. And if this tournament schedule is just too much to deal with...simple....DONT GO. It sounds like youre more worried about Friday night than playing Saturday anyway. Life is full of choices and sacrifice---both of which get a lot easier with some sensible personal organization and preplanning. Ive coached U17 and U18 for many years.....I understand how this works. I made WHO DAT sure to provide all my players with a schedule well in advance, have a comprehensive team meeting, get out my calendar and get the homecoming info from all of my players (had players from 9 different HS' last season, so trust me, I get it...... and we made it work), and then made my scheduling requests accordingly. Most of the time we had no issues, though we still had the self indulgents that had to complain because it wasnt convenient, blah, blah, blah. They still showed up at the prescribed times and played. |
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Post by playwide on Oct 1, 2014 7:35:03 GMT -6
Thanks for the lesson in soccer commitment. We need that lesson after participating in RPL for years, the Region III League, 3 apprearances at Regional Championships, multiple State Championships, numerous National Showcases/Platinum level tournaments, and more travel than any other team in our age group in the state by a long shot. We haven't played in the LCSL since we were 14. This team has been the model for commitment to club soccer and the highest levels of play offered by Region III.
In the history of this team we have never once contacted a Tournament Director, made a scheduling request, or even worked our own tournaments to our advantage (yes, I'm looking directly at BRSC). Not once...until now, when a 7:30am match was deemed not in the best interest of the safety and well-being of our players. We have no apologies for looking after our team. We have earned it and will not have our commitment or integrity called into question by people who have not earned it...ever.
U18 is a year of compromise and change. Our mistake in retrospect was registering for a state level tournament which we normally don't support, in hopes of getting 3 matches close to home on a non-RPL weekend. Lesson learned.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Oct 1, 2014 11:44:36 GMT -6
Can't we all just get along.
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Post by quepasa on Oct 2, 2014 7:32:12 GMT -6
I have been to at least one tournament that advertised no games before 9am. I am in the same boat as playwide, going to be leaving the house at 5:30. But as mentioned above, people who hunt, fish, golf etc get up that early on a saturday. I would prefer no games before 9 but being home by 3 on sat afternoon is nice too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 10:19:46 GMT -6
We got it, it's ok to request earlier times so you can go to Homecoming, but it's not ok to request a later game so that those u18 boys that have to drive themselves safely to the event shouldn't have to get on the road out of New Orleans at 5:15am after their school events on Friday night.....I got it. The usual wisdom coming from the usual folks. More like the usual self indulgence coming from the usual folks. School events friday night? Okay...if that means attending football games, maybe playing in them, or being in the band and the support groups, then I get that and I understand that those young athletes might not get home till 11 PM. Take a shower and get to bed because you have a game in the morning. I would suspect that not every player is in one of these groups. Those that are had to have some inkling way back in August that multiple activities (i.e.--club soccer and HS football) will probably have some overlaps. Those overlaps will cause some problems from time to time, but hey...you chose to do multiple things. Nobody held a gun to your head. I would suspect however that this might be more geared to post game parties because of homecoming. Not a real reason to change a schedule. If its that important, then miss the early morning game so you can sleep in. This tournament date was long ago placed on the calendar. Your coach didnt just tell you last week that you were going. If you have a schedule, and a school calendar, and are anywhere near responsible, then you can figure out where your, or your childs potential conflicts are. Dont wait till the last minute, not look at anything and then complain cause its not convenient for you. Im very sure some of these kids get up early to go the beach, go to the hunting camp, go to tailgate. Im sure many of THOSE plans got made more on the fly than scheduleing this tournament. And if this tournament schedule is just too much to deal with...simple....DONT GO. It sounds like youre more worried about Friday night than playing Saturday anyway. Life is full of choices and sacrifice---both of which get a lot easier with some sensible personal organization and preplanning. Ive coached U17 and U18 for many years.....I understand how this works. I made WHO DAT sure to provide all my players with a schedule well in advance, have a comprehensive team meeting, get out my calendar and get the homecoming info from all of my players (had players from 9 different HS' last season, so trust me, I get it...... and we made it work), and then made my scheduling requests accordingly. Most of the time we had no issues, though we still had the self indulgents that had to complain because it wasnt convenient, blah, blah, blah. They still showed up at the prescribed times and played. I don't always agree with coachray. But lately I find myself agreeing more and more.
I'm all for well rounded student athletes. But like ray said, if you commit to multiple extracurricular activities, then you have to be able to set priorities.
My 16 yr old, along with three other Shreveport/Bossier players, travel an hour plus one way 3-4 times a week to train with their club team in Texas. I can't speak for the other parents, but so far my son has been able to manage his time between soccer, academics and his other extracurricular activities without suffering in the classroom, on the pitch or even socially. He fully understands what comes first and generally prioritize and manage his time accordingly.
It can be done.
I really don't understand why an rpl caliber team would want to play in a nonshowcase/local tournament anyway.
between rpl games, a couple of friendlies and a fall showcase event, that is enough games for the fall club season. Especially considering 20-25 hs games in the winter.
8-9 RPL games, 20-25 hs games, state cup, regionals and a few (carefully selected) tournaments, along with a few friendlies is more than enough.
Just my opinion.
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Post by 17issolid on Oct 2, 2014 11:28:58 GMT -6
To be clear, playwide explained the team was registered for the tournament in an effort to secure three games close to home on a non-rpl weekend. Simple and unambiguous.
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Post by quepasa on Oct 2, 2014 14:08:42 GMT -6
Turns out his game was moved to 9. Lucky.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 14:43:26 GMT -6
To be clear, playwide explained the team was registered for the tournament in an effort to secure three games close to home on a non-rpl weekend. Simple and unambiguous. Yeah, we all got that....
But that's not really the focal point of the thread.
But as I pointed out earlier, not a lot to be gained by 'playing down' in a local tournament.
If in fact the team is that good.
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Post by tonygalinto on Oct 3, 2014 17:26:17 GMT -6
Be aware that if you have a first round or second round game you may hit a lot of traffic if using Siegen Lane or Highland Road from I-10. At the Highland Road Park there is cross country track meet with 1800 runners expected. The meet starts at 8:30am but the teams will start arriving much earlier. There are about 70 something schools, therefore I suspect many school buses will be there.
If coming from south you can get off at the Tanger Outlet exit in Gonzales, turn left and go north on Hwy. 30. Turn right on Bluebonnet and then right on Burbank.
If coming from north on I-10 get off on Bluebonnet, go south to Burbank and turn left.
If you have later games disregard all above info.
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