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Post by kevin on Oct 1, 2014 20:53:25 GMT -6
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Post by warrior16 on Oct 1, 2014 22:28:57 GMT -6
Sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practice I don't think it's practical at all to require all LHSAA coaches to be faculty members at their respective schools. I think it would ultimately dilute the coaching talent pool and prevent a lot of good coaches out there who have other full-time jobs from getting involved.
To prevent great full-time soccer coaches like Bo Cassidy, Willie Davis, Chad Vidrine, etc... from being involved in coaching high school in their spare time, would be a major mistake on the LHSAA's part, I think.
Ultimately, the schools should have the responsibility and privilege to hire whomever they want, faculty or non-faculty, to be athletic coaches and reap the rewards or suffer the consequences based upon that choice. I know for a fact that some of the best coaches in this state, and not only in soccer, are men and women with full-time jobs not in any way related to the athletic teams they coach.
I know you said this wouldn't affect any current head coaches, but I still don't support this idea based on principle.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Oct 2, 2014 2:37:50 GMT -6
Would assistant coaches be allowed to be non-faculty? I can see you having a faculty "coach" and a non faculty "assistant" but the roles are really reversed.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Oct 2, 2014 7:34:47 GMT -6
What would be the basis or reasoning for such a rule? I don't understand why you would pass such a rule. Why are their people supporting it? Are there faculty members who want coaching positions but are passed over for jobs by non-faculty coaches?
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Post by Antimatter on Oct 2, 2014 8:11:07 GMT -6
It would hurt smaller schools as some would just basically have to put babysitters in charge of each program. Eventually, it would lead to schools cancelling some of the smaller sports.
Consider this...You are a soccer player and you go from your well trained coach who is not a faculty member to being coached by the gym teacher who watched a World Cup game once. Will that not decrease the number of kids who want to play on the team?
As those in sports tend to get better grades and are on the better half of the stats on drug use, etc, this asinine idea would go a long way in hurting kids.
It seems as if this would only apply to the head coach so I guess schools could work around this by appointing a faculty member as faux head coach while an assistant ran things.
It also seems as if this is a dig more intended to hurt private and select schools as was the splitting of football divisions..something that some want to spread to all sports. At some point, LHSAA is going to find a tipping point which pushes these schools to split the association and form their own.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Oct 2, 2014 8:58:03 GMT -6
It also seems as if this is a dig more intended to hurt private and select schools as was the splitting of football divisions..something that some want to spread to all sports. At some point, LHSAA is going to find a tipping point which pushes these schools to split the association and form their own. I can understand why there is a split in football (i.e, Evangel and John Curtis). But, I don't see how this is a dig at private schools. In north Louisiana there are a lot of public schools who have a non-faculty member as the head coach. This would hurt the public schools as much as the private. Again, I don't understand the rational behind the rule.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 9:48:01 GMT -6
I could understand the reasoning IF the schools invested time, money and resources to soccer that other sports currently enjoy.
But, as we all know that isn't the case. And likely won't be for decades.
I know in Texas that hs soccer coaches by and large don't coach club teams due to the restrictions placed on them. Which hurts high school soccer in Texas in most cases.
Basically you end up with an assistant throwball coach, or track coach that knows nothing about soccer and the product on the field reflects it.
Most high school soccer programs in this state are self funded. Yeah I know that throwball and basketball get a lot from booster clubs. But the bottom line is the schools invest a lot more in the other sports.
The system in place now is by far from perfect...but it's better than what is being proposed.
One positive about La hs soccer is that the majority of hs coaches also coach club teams. They are 'soccer' people. Not glorified pe types.
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Post by wildcatsoccer on Oct 2, 2014 11:24:17 GMT -6
I can see the schoos doing this so it is easier to control things from the schools stand point. All the paperwork, collecting money, etc... I see them putting on paper Joe Snuffy as the HC but all he does is the paper work and is the go to person for any questions form the principle or AD. I have been here at Central for a few years now but the past couple I have stepped back and let other CECP guys take over the coaching and game time decisions. Pretty much have taken a managers role. The reason I did it was to try and bring in better coaching for the boys. Just my thoughts
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Post by thebirdstheword on Oct 2, 2014 16:44:29 GMT -6
Is the post season split in effect for this season as of now?
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Post by kevin on Oct 2, 2014 20:08:08 GMT -6
I can't say I disagree with much of what is posted. One of the good things about soccer in this state is that we don't have many conflicts between club coaches and high school coaches--because many coaches do both.
What I found interesting was that this proposal was mentioned and even supported, and I was wondering if anyone had any inside info about why this is being brought up and how widespread the support is. Personally, I don't really see the problem with the current system. And I say that as someone who is a full-time high school teacher and could theoretically benefit from something like this.
I think this rule would put smaller schools at a huge disadvantage. A big school might need a dozen PE teachers and could afford to hire a soccer coach/PE teacher. A small school doesn't need that many PE teachers, so most of their sports teams would be coached by people who are either aren't the best coaches or aren't the best teachers. And, as mentioned, many good soccer coaches either have full-time soccer jobs or other full-time work and have no interest in being teachers.
Plus, there would still be the "assistant" coach loophole.
If there's that much of a concern about wanting to have a faculty member involved, have a faculty member sit on the bench with the team as the faculty moderator. (A school I used to work at required that for sports with a non-faculty coach.)
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Post by laffysoccermom on Oct 3, 2014 11:01:36 GMT -6
We go to a small private and we are lucky. One of our PE teachers is a soccer person. She also coaches volleyball but was a collegiate soccer player and coached at collegiate level. We were blessed to get her and would never be able to replace her with someone of a similar caliber.
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Post by pshenton on Oct 3, 2014 13:00:07 GMT -6
If they enforce this rule, high school soccer in LA would go down the toilet. All of the top HS coaches around the state are CECP coaches, would Brother Martin, Grace King, Jesuit, Ben Franklin, etc be as strong with just any old person coaching them?
If that did happen, I wouldn't be surprised if clubs continued playing through the winter with many kids ignoring the HS season completely.
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Post by Antimatter on Oct 3, 2014 15:32:17 GMT -6
kevin,
Most schools already have the requirement that a faculty member be present.
I think the whole thing is silly because most of the people who are not faculty members and coach are certainly not there for the money as it is not that much when one considers the total time commitment. It takes someone dedicated from whichever sports away from kids who could benefit from having a qualified coach. It smacks of being part of an agenda rather than something that would be better for high school students.
Steven Gerrard,
One of the reasons it seems to me to be part of an anti-private school agenda is that I hear the same folks who pushed the football split are behind it. No solid facts but just an opinion on my part.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Oct 4, 2014 14:57:34 GMT -6
From my early correspondence, it doesn't appear soccer is a sport that would be included in that rule change. They are very aware of the extremly high percentage of CECP head coaches needed for high school soccer
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Post by chelsea007 on Oct 6, 2014 8:28:12 GMT -6
Liability issues are the concern. In St. Tammany Parish public schools, there is a faculty representative and a head coach (combined role in my case). In short, the faculty rep has the ultimate say in things that could have liability concerns but generally stays out of the head coaches way. This policy came about a few years back when a head coach told the principal that he worked for the parents not the school. He was banned from the team on the spot (not too bright on his part). Enter the concept of the "faculty rep". I see this as the model of choice because it would be foolish to limit the number of quality coaches that high schools have access to. Just my thoughts though.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Nov 18, 2014 9:51:45 GMT -6
Just curious if it were to be proposed and passed, would the HC have to be a full time faculty member or could they be part time? Sounds like this was just a discussion that has not made it to the level of an actual proposal yet if I am reading correctly.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Nov 18, 2014 22:30:22 GMT -6
Would not include soccer....
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Post by uhscubs1 on Nov 19, 2014 6:15:33 GMT -6
Would not include soccer.... I understood that soccer would probably not be included. I was still curious about the full time vs. part time and if I understood correctly that it was not an actual proposal but something just being discussed.
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