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Post by neutralfan on Dec 15, 2014 13:45:55 GMT -6
Here we go on my pet peeve. STA beats Pine 19-0!!! Really. (I'm going to guess Hannan could have done the same but I saw their score was 7 or 8.) Hannan boys 17-0 over a co-ed team!! No excuses. Bad coaching.
On a lighter note good game between STA and PJP.
Everything I see about that district is tough and probably producing the champs. 4 in the top ten. Pretty good. Have fun out there and call off the dogs when game out of control
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Post by beta6pack on Dec 15, 2014 17:44:34 GMT -6
I saw some scores from SSA and Mandeville last year that made me wonder if stats were being padded, there was a lack of sportsmanship or some other issue as to why that was happening.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Dec 15, 2014 18:44:44 GMT -6
Mandeville still does that and they absolutely pad stats!
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Post by Patriot fan on Dec 15, 2014 18:57:59 GMT -6
Would like to hear from the coach on his thinking for this debacle... 19-0...
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Post by mortner on Dec 15, 2014 19:08:10 GMT -6
Although I think their may be teams more guilty of "running up the score", than SSA. This is always an interesting topic. (Not really) same discussion, different year.
What to do?
Pass the ball around for 80 minutes, play non-starters, play short. I've rostered my entire JV team for district games,
I'll have it be known that we stopped scoring last year and were called poor sports at the end of the game, "for no longer trying."
We do set a limit of how many goals we will score in a game, we don't do anything for stats, and I tell my players to respect their opponents, regardless of their skill level.
We schedule top teams for our non district schedule. If there is a perfect solution out there for a lopsided district games, I am all ears.
Truth is you can't please everyone, but it's easy to sit on the sideline, judge, and call teams out.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Dec 15, 2014 19:32:45 GMT -6
Truth is you can't please everyone, but it's easy to sit on the sideline, judge, and call teams out. I totally understand what you are saying and I know that its not always easy to keep the score down in a lot of situations.....However sometimes its painfully obvious what some teams and coaches are doing...I see it in all sports not just soccer...and sometimes those people should be called out (I'm not saying you are one of those coaches or team.) and where it really shows, is when those teams go up against good opponents and get absolutely blown out! typical bully syndrome...pick on someone smaller than you!
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Post by mortner on Dec 15, 2014 19:43:55 GMT -6
Soccerdad23,
Someone mentioned our school by name, so I felt the need to reply. I don't mind the topic, although its overplayed in my opinion. A mercy rule should be adopted.
As far as non district games are concerned: I believe both coaches are held responsible. Why schedule an opponent that you know has the potential of blowing you out?
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Post by Patriot fan on Dec 16, 2014 7:59:58 GMT -6
If the coaches will not recognize the mismatch and respect for the opposition, then force the conclusion upon them by implementing a maximum goal allowable per game. Once that goal number is reached the game is officially over..pack you bags and go home..
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Post by laffysoccermom on Dec 16, 2014 8:59:26 GMT -6
I agree but would you be ok with a game ending after 5 to 10 minutes? I can see that being the next complaint.
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Post by Patriot fan on Dec 16, 2014 9:06:10 GMT -6
Again the coaches have the final call. If they are scoring at will, then yes it will be over in 5 minutes or they can clear the bench or play with less then 11 players.If the coaches let the game develop as you describe then let his team's supporters ask all the questions why... There is no excuse or reason for scoring 15, 19 or 23 goals as occurred last year..poor sportsmanship and insensitive coaching. I have coached at the youth level and there are many options available to a coach to prevent this kind of a charade..
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Post by Patriot fan on Dec 16, 2014 9:35:00 GMT -6
No one here is speaking negatively about the young ladies my friend... it's all on the coaches...and one final thought on this subject, its not the "score police" my friend, it's just plain "common sense police" if you feel so inclined to label it with "police".
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Post by barnacle13 on Dec 16, 2014 9:50:48 GMT -6
I'm with mortner on this. If for district harmony you need to implement a mercy rule, then do so, but for non-district matches, neither coach should agree to the match if you know it'll turn out lopsided. district you can't really help who your opponents are, so there will be some weaker teams you will dominate in there, but sometimes even your JV can dominate that weaker team, and 80 minutes of keep away is a terrible way to treat your opponent as well. They are there to compete. That means defending and trying to form attacks. Put a mercy rule in for district if you have these type of matches.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Dec 16, 2014 9:59:31 GMT -6
Scheduling appropriate competition levels is key. That may mean playing much larger schools or much smaller schools. However this requires an accurate assessment of not only your team's skill level but your opponent 's as well. Sometimes before you know the makeup of your team.... not as easy as it sounds.
Difficult situation....
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Post by pompey on Dec 16, 2014 10:15:57 GMT -6
Hope Saints run up score on Falcons!
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Post by Antimatter on Dec 16, 2014 10:44:08 GMT -6
Funny how some of the better coaches in the state could destroy a lot of opponents by 20 but do not. You can do a lot of positive for your team without running it up. PT for bench players who seldom see the field. Work on passing attacks. Try out new formations. But to go into a double digit victory and continue to score is an ego exercise and not sportsmanship.
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Post by Patriot fan on Dec 16, 2014 11:23:59 GMT -6
Not your friend but absolutely recognize your need to bring it to a sarcastic level. My apologies if all you saw in that was the word police. Calling someone out for unsportsmanlike conduct does make it a reflection on the team as a whole and I was simply saying that it is difficult to make that assumption without knowing the full picture. There have been many posts in the past that did in fact speak specifically about some of the ladies. Does something need to be done, yes. You had your opinion and I had mine. No need to take it where you did. I would have preferred not to comment further,however apparently you felt it necessary to use the terms "word police" as one can read your comment to describe or inflect a degree of behavior on the part of commentators. A careful choice of words would be better..
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Post by soccdad on Dec 16, 2014 11:44:18 GMT -6
I really have to agree with myarsenal. There are so many ways to go other than running up the score. Let the kids that don't get to play much have a chance. If you know it is going to be that way from the time it is scheduled; then start the kids with little playing time. Obviously, they need the experience, and field time. I said this last year, and I will say it again: as the dad of a keeper, how low do you feel that poor kid in the goal feels having had 19 goals scored on her. If that doesn't enter your thought process, than maybe you shouldn't be shaping the minds of our youth. It is a great quality, it is called compassion.
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Post by nas05 on Dec 16, 2014 11:59:29 GMT -6
I have been on both sides of the fence and I can promise you racking up the score doesn't do anyone any good. A team very rarely walks into a game where the other team scores so much that they switch things around and try other options (passing,etc) and they didn't have any idea it was coming. A team once scored about 7 on us in the first half and the coach said from then on out they could only score off of headers. They scored at least 4 more that way. We knew exactly what they were doing and it wasn't offensive it showed my team a level that continuous practice will get you to. We don't know all of the details for that game and I understand you could possibly have 10 different girls score and you run out of second string to play because they are scoring as well but there are a million things you can work on in a game that don't result in a goal. The best comment above is imagine how the keeper feels walking off the field. There will always be winners and losers but class has to be a part of the equation.
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Post by archangel on Dec 16, 2014 12:10:13 GMT -6
Seems like if you lose by 10 or more, there are two types of embarrassment. First, you are embarrassed on the field. Then you are embarrassed again when everyone else hears the score -- either on the boards, the newspaper, at school etc.
There is actually little you can do about the embarrassment on the field. To me, it is just as humiliating for the other team to play keep away as it is for them to score.
However, what if we came up with a maximum amount you could win by (say 5). A team could keep shooting, but after you were ahead by 5, it did not count. If the ball went in the net, it would become a goal kick. This would reduce the incentive to pad stats, and the rest of the world would see that you lost 5-0 instead of 20-0
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Post by archer12 on Dec 16, 2014 12:17:52 GMT -6
As a coach who has been on the other side it only made me better at preparing my players. This is my 3rd year at Grace King and I remembered when I didn't have an offense. I just let my players play and when I need to rest the starters I do.
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