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Post by warrior16 on Dec 31, 2014 18:23:04 GMT -6
I'm obviously goofin. Not sure if they'll stack districts or make them smaller. I have ran many possibilities as they all look meh. Lets just do away with divisions and districts and have teams play 18 games and at the end have the world cup octopus pick the teams it feels should be in the playoffs. bah humbug silly enrollment mumbo jumbo. Good luck Southwood, should be tons of fun. Paul the Octopus is deceased unfortunately, so maybe Irish Fro and Bish should do the honors instead.
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Dec 31, 2014 19:23:23 GMT -6
I am for the 4 divisions. I like how it would work out. Only thing is will LHSAA make specific districts just for soccer around these 4 divisions? Or would we just keep districts as is with teams playing teams from all divisions and come tournament time then separate teams into divisional brackets? (Kind of like the select/non select thing they do for football)
Great work!! Thanks for taking the time to do this!
Have a happy New Year!
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Post by nolapelota on Jan 1, 2015 12:10:37 GMT -6
4 divisions ok, but four divisions will not particularly reduce the differential in D-4 between Newman/Northlake/etc. group and the lower focus D-4 programs. In fact, there will be about 8 teams that dominate D-4 pretty much the same as in D-3 now. Four divisions does appear to reduce the number of competitive schools in D-2 and D-3, which could encourage the programs of mid-sized schools.
Re: districts. It is a mistake to regard districts as irrelevant. Careful thought should go to establishing large, balanced districts for two reasons.
(1) scheduling - large districts required to play home and home will make scheduling easier and predictable, and more balanced.
(2) computer rankings - with the program ranking problems regarding accurately rating strength-o- opponent, the only way to keep the "LHSAA basketball disease" from infecting our playoffs is to try to force a somewhat balanced schedule on all schools.
Without big districts composed of a cross section of skilled teams, the natural tendency will be for weaker teams to only schedule each other, leaving stronger teams with games only against other strong teams. This tendency will be exacerbated by the limit on 24 teams in the playoffs, and the desire for a home game, and it is what has happened in basketball.
I recommend 8-team districts, and quit worrying about travel. That is a red herring from the days of dirt roads. A team from Monroe can play a team in Shreveport with far quicker and easier travel than a team in Houma can play ... say Fisher ... or a team in Lafayette.
With 8-team districts would help prevent the current problem in N.O. and Baton Rouge in D-3. Two districts in each city has usually meant one district will all the strong teams, and one with all the weak teams. With 8-team districts it would mean 14 automatic district games for all which helps ease scheduling issues ... and it makes the districts meaningful... making an all-district team would be a desirable reward for good players in weaker programs.
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Post by Tarheel on Jan 1, 2015 12:24:17 GMT -6
I like the idea of 4 Divisions. In D1- the possibility of 5 districts (NOLA, Northshore, Lafayette, BR, North LA) of 8 teams each (approx) is appealing and could offer some interesting in-district play.
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Post by kevin on Jan 1, 2015 13:40:30 GMT -6
The proposal calls for 8 districts in every division ( cdn.lhsaa.org/uploads/images/2015_Business_Agenda_-_FINAL_VERSION.pdf has all the proposed changes). Any chance that gets changed? I'm trying to look at the girls' side and if you went with 8 districts you'd probably see three teams in some and six in others. I'm sure things would be similar on the boys' side.
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Post by nolapelota on Jan 1, 2015 14:29:43 GMT -6
The proposal calls for 8 districts in every division ( cdn.lhsaa.org/uploads/images/2015_Business_Agenda_-_FINAL_VERSION.pdf has all the proposed changes). Any chance that gets changed? I'm trying to look at the girls' side and if you went with 8 districts you'd probably see three teams in some and six in others. I'm sure things would be similar on the boys' side. I wasn't aware of this portion of the proposal... and in my opinion, it is exactly the main problem that has afflicted D-3 boys soccer for a decade, heck, forever. This type of districting makes for meaningless districts. It is what has created a perpetual 2-team D-III district in Monroe. It has always created districts that are vastly unequal in composition. One D-3 district would have ... say ... 4 top-ten (or so) teams, and another right next door would have no teams that should even be qualified for the playoffs.
It is what created the dissatisfaction with the whole district playoff system to begin with. Why does anyone want to continue such a time warped requirement from the covered wagon, pre-interstate highway days?
I wish that portion could be changed to "5 districts in every division." AND I wish a committee of knowledgeable soccer people set up the districts to try to balance them as much as possible. Oh well, if wishes were candy, I'd be fat.
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Post by chelsea007 on Jan 1, 2015 16:18:30 GMT -6
How about no districts. If the power rating determines who gets in, schedule.who you want. My only other change would be to give credit for all of your opponents wins regardless of the.outcome. If this goes through, I see an 8 team district on the north shore, and some two team districts elsewhere.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 1, 2015 16:23:21 GMT -6
Districts do not mean SQUAT! In any sport, anymore! Lucky they give the auto qualifier still. Travel and competition or lack thereof for the sake of naming a district is stupid, really! Most are going to one round of play anyway and this is even being said in basketball for upcoming stuff. Times change... Things improve. Districts are dying. It's all about statewide and divisions and seeding.
Do you really want your child traveling 2.5 hours to leesville on a school night and then return trip back 2.5 hrs and get home at 1 am? Cause it's district? Play your 3-4 district games or make it 6-8 (if playing 2 rounds) and schedule the right way based on your competitive Level the rest of the way that meets your goals... Are you trying to make playoffs? Are you trying to be a top 10 seed? Are you trying to be the TOP seed? Ebvery team has different scenarios and goals and your schedule should reflect that.
The 4 changes for soccer are for the better of the sport and encouraging growth and pro ktong fairness.
One is hidden is section dealing with playoff home teams... And it changes all sports with home/away semifinals, not just soccer. Better seed is home team every time. Period! That is fair and just and should,have long been the case.
The other 3 are in section 18... In a nutshell...
4 divisions... YES!
Mercy Rule- YES! (Let's take the guessing work or the misunderstanding out! Take out the embarrassing keep away, but yet keep it from getting out of hand when bad teams coaches say please play soccer and stop that keep way or 21 passes and only off crosses stuff with your JV). This is a fair rule... And if you want a short night against a weaker team, hit 8 by halftime and you go home.
White jersey rule elimination- it made the agenda. Now don't let your principals,fall for some executive committee member telling them that voting for this causes us to lose an NFHS vote (who cares anyway). It doesn't. We have Plenty of different rules from the NFHS already. Let's rid ourselves of the white jersey crap once and for all and back to old rule... It is written exactly as it was before and it was never voted out of the handbook as should have been the case. Vote out the white jerseys and lets go back to being soccer again!
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 1, 2015 16:27:48 GMT -6
The proposal calls for 8 districts in every division ( cdn.lhsaa.org/uploads/images/2015_Business_Agenda_-_FINAL_VERSION.pdf has all the proposed changes). Any chance that gets changed? I'm trying to look at the girls' side and if you went with 8 districts you'd probably see three teams in some and six in others. I'm sure things would be similar on the boys' side. Those are usually guidelines... They are never followed exactly in soccer as some years yiu habe one more or one less than mentioned in that chart. Lhsaa always decides district amount and make up based on certain criteria.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 1, 2015 16:36:53 GMT -6
How about no districts. If the power rating determines who gets in, schedule.who you want. My only other change would be to give credit for all of your opponents wins regardless of the.outcome. If this goes through, I see an 8 team district on the north shore, and some two team districts elsewhere. I'm fine with no districts, honestly... Why does the 8 team vs 2 team district thing matter? It's less games you need to hunt for and really, playing only round, won't hurt PR unless you have 7 awful teams with one good team. And even then, the 7 awful teams will win games vs each other. Districts are means for a pride or prize for winning local rivalry games. That's all it's become in the power rating age. There are meaningless. And remember, each district decides their own schedule and method and stuff... So you dint even have to play them all! Just figure a way to decide a champion! Heck, habe a district tournament one weekend and theres your champ and yiu haven't used one of your 18 or 19 games for district! Really, that could, happen! If doing that with formula though... You must give a LOT more points for wins and draws to balance that out. At least 10 for a win or more and then half of that number for a draw and zero for a loss. 5 pts for wins is low to begin with but does balance out teams who must schedule weaker teams for wins compared to those who win over the better teams with lots of wins. The formulas habe all been tried and tested for nearly 10 years on this site... This was the one unanimously picked guys. We did have one that gave all,of opponents wins but not enough points for wins and ties a few years back and it was awful. The only thing we need to add is seeding wise, maybe a coaches seeding that allows coaches to corrective seed by moving teams around from power ratings but no more than a set amount from computer rank... For instance, maybe a max of 3 or 5 spots change in coaches seeding from computer rating. We will see a lot of seeding issues at end of year cause some teams just didn't schedule right. And the best teams may not be too seeds and there may be some "weaker" teams in too 10. We shall see.
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Post by chelsea007 on Jan 1, 2015 17:08:38 GMT -6
I guess it depends on the district. That being said, I would at least tweak the formula from 5, 2.5, and 0 to 3,2,1 for wins , losses, and ties. Just my thoughts though.
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Post by coachray40 on Jan 1, 2015 17:44:17 GMT -6
Im also one who beleives that districts hold no purpose at all any more. Honors and some traditional rivalries, but those rivalries will still exist without the districts. The minute the autoseeds from the past were eliminated district play stopped mattering. I dont see why the auto qualify for the district champ is still in existence when all the districts do different things to declare a winner. Still, the concept of district play is rooted in traditional HS sports structure here in LA, and getting rid of it is a fight that simply isnt worth the effort. For schools in the less populated areas of the state, district play will still provide them with some required play. Lets face it....nobody is driving to West Monroe on a school night to play if they dont have to.
As for the return to any sort of coaches seeding program, I say NO!. I love the power ratings system. I think way too much misinformation is floating around regarding how coaches can manipulate it by scheduling weak teams. My little ACH team will get way more power points from 2 games vs University HS and 1 game vs Denham Springs than we'll get from beating Bastrop. If you think its easier to make it scheduling cupcakes, you have no real understanding of the powerpoints process. I think it also makes teams here in state who have been traditional powers in the past stay here, play here, and basically take the risk of losing (big deal--you lost). You cant hide and duck people, you have to play. I think the rule change regarding the higher rated team keeping home field advantage throughough the playoffs eliminates the (weak) "argument" that you can do better for your team by playing a weaker schedule. Play a tough schedule, accumulate more powerpoints by playing against tougher teams, and even if you lose, the numbers will provide you with a PROPER seed. I beleive too many teams schedule for the poll rankings (which, IMHO, are just as obsolete as district play). I dont even pay attention to the polls anymore, and Im not looking forward to all the whining that will go on when the final power ratings come out and some schools high in the opinion polls get a 9 seed. I look at schools like Beau Chene, Acadiana, and St Mikes who are getting out there and playing EVERYBODY, and I see teams that will EARN a high seed and be in the playoffs for along time. Thats a much better way to plan for a season in my book
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Post by coachray40 on Jan 1, 2015 18:02:13 GMT -6
Okay, now that we have strayed, lets get back on topic. After discovering the discrepancy between my and Chads enrollment #'s was the inclusion of "9th grade transitional students", subsequently discovering what that meant, and then removing those numbers from the enrollment #'s I had (properly I may add--Chads #s were correct as per the LHSAA eligibility and enrollment bylaws. Nola.Com should have done a little bit better research to discover these additional students dont count towards enrollment figures), I have recalculated everything and adjusted my list. I will continue on this thread with the assumption (one that I feel is reasonbly correct) that the 4 equal divisions proposal will get passed. I wont fritter with a 3 division model as it probably doesnt matter and will be wasted time.
Surprisingly, basing my spreadsheet on 156 currently participating varsity squads in LA, there was only one discrepancy between what I had published before and what I came up with now: Thibodaux would now be placed in DI, with Grace King moving down to DII. The actual order of the schools in the upper half of the 156 teams was a bit different, but that doesnt have any real bearing besides the two schools i just mentioned.
So here is an updated projection of Divisional placement (again based on enrollment only and not taking any school choices into account to play up, or the passage of a 6A proposal):
D I 1 Lafayette 2435 2 Jesuit 2374 3 Byrd 2231 4 Denham Springs 2218 5 Catholic-BR 2198 6 West Monroe 2139 7 Dutchtown 2126 8 Sulphur 1988 9 Barbe 1948 10 Comeaux 1908 11 St Amant 1896 12 Ehret 1882 13 East Ascension 1825 14 Mandeville 1820 15 Brother Martin 1812 16 Airline 1809 17 New Iberia 1794 18 Acadiana 1774 19 Fontainebleau 1701 20 Ponchatoula 1700 21 Chalmette 1674 22 Walker 1568 23 Zachary 1554 24 Slidell 1546 25 Northshore 1537 26 Covington 1533 27 Hahnville 1520 28 Baton Rouge 1477 29 Destrehan 1451 30 HL Bourgeois 1426 31 Natchitoches Central 1422 32 St Pauls 1420 33 Pineville 1393 34 Higgins 1366 35 Hammond 1364 36 Southwood 1339 37 McKinley 1338 38 Bonnabel 1336 39 Thibodaux 1333
D II 40 Captain Shreve 1324 41 East St John 1316 42 Landry Walker 1316 43 Alexandria 1314 44 Central-BR 1303 45 Central Lafourche 1297 46 Parkway 1273 47 Live Oak 1270 48 Ouachita Parish 1268 49 Grace King 1265 50 Terrebonne 1255 51 West Jefferson 1253 52 Ruston 1241 53 Archbishop Rummel 1238 54 Holy Cross 1222 55 Haughton 1216 56 Broadmoor 1179 57 West Ouachita 1138 58 South Lafourche 1134 59 Woodlawn-BR 1132 60 Caddo Magnet 1122 61 East Jefferson 1107 62 St Thomas More 1076 63 Westgate 1068 64 Carencro 1058 65 Belaire 1048 66 Lakeshore 1043 67 Tara 1027 68 South Terrebonne 1010 69 Neville 973 70 Salmen 958 71 Ellender 950 72 Northwood 936 73 Helen Cox 927 74 Tioga 913 75 Riverdale 911 76 Ben Franklin 897 77 Beau Chene 896 78 Benton 885 D III 79 Belle Chasse 872 80 Minden 846 81 Bastrop 832 82 Franklinton 796 83 Opelousas 796 84 Deridder 794 85 Archbishop Shaw 787 86 Morgan City 782 87 Leesville 779 88 Plaquemine 748 89 Teurlings 735 90 Grant 733 91 St Michaels 726 92 Vandebilt 696 93 Pearl River 690 94 North Desoto 659 95 Abbeville 658 96 Bossier 635 97 ED White 622 98 Lutcher 610 99 West Feliciana 601 100 North Vermillion 591 101 Buckeye 585 102 St Louis 570 103 Erath 555 104 NO Military and Maritime 539 105 International HS of NO 536 106 Kaplan 529 107 Bolton 505 108 Lusher Charter 505 109 Peabody 500 110 Parkview Baptist 493 111 University 448 112 Independence 441 113 De le Salle 440 114 JS Clark 432 115 Loyola 432 116 Notre Dame 424 117 Episcopal 406 D IV 118 Thomas Jefferson 400 119 Archbishop Hannan 398 120 St Charles 391 121 Catholic -NI 390 122 Haynes Academy 379 123 Evangel Christian 366 124 Pine 360 125 Menard 351 126 Lee Magnet 350 127 St Thomas Aquinas 343 128 Red River 335 129 Isadore Newman 332 130 North Caddo 328 131 David Thibodaux 314 132 Pope John Paul II 293 133 Riverside Academy 292 134 Northlake Christian 279 135 Dunham 277 136 Ouachita Christian 268 137 Opelousas Catholic 262 138 Rapides 241 139 Metairie Park Country Day 241 140 Calvary Baptist 241 141 Christian Life 239 142 Runnels 235 143 Westminster Christian 228 144 Lafayette Christian 210 145 Catholic PC 202 146 Ascension Episcopal 201 147 St Frederick 194 148 St Martins 181 149 Patrick Taylor 180 150 Episcopal of Acadiana 176 151 Houma Christian 167 152 Glenmora 166 153 Grace Christian 144 154 Covenant Christian 139 155 Ascension Christian 132 156 Lutheran 103
I'll be back in a second with some hypotheticals on Districts
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Post by nolapelota on Jan 1, 2015 18:12:01 GMT -6
The objection to district play, and change giving higher seed automatic home games all will result to the advantage mostly of just a few teams. This is what has happened in basketball. I don't understand why the math is not at least looked at. This whole thing is being treated as if all schools were top-five. They aren't and the system shouldn't be stacked against the underdog anymore than it already is.
The reason for a big district is to insure some type of similar scheduling. And, the big district gives some structure for those team programs with little chance to win State, but who field a competent team. And... again... it makes scheduling much more equal... which limits the BS that goes on in computer ranking in basketball.
God!... in smaller school basketball you have teams that play each other as many as 5-times in one season! Whatever the reason, it sure skews the computer. Why is this big district, auto-schedule argument being called BS and the people who try to point out the problems being denigrated? Is that "discussion" or "dictate?" Why NOT look at basketball, talk to some coaches from successful programs and see what they say about their system? Why is this being jammed and discussion cut off?
Here is what is going to happen in D-III soccer this year. The computer is going to rank a number of western LA teams several places higher than the coaches poll would indicate. This will be a natural result of selective scheduling mostly caused by geographic distribution. It is a precursor to what will happen when everyone realizes how to game the computer and begins to schedule like they now do in basketball...generally avoid playing the big boys.
Worse... additionally, now those teams who have the advantage of this scheduling flaw will also benefit in the playoffs? How is that fair to teams that play a tough schedule? Why should the underdog who has won on the road against higher ranked teams always travel again and again and again.. when they may have just been screwed by the idiocies of this computer program?
The LHSAA needs to hear the concerns of smaller schools and mid-pack teams. And some thoughtful consideration of the arguments should also be considered, not just dismissed.
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Post by coachray40 on Jan 1, 2015 19:16:02 GMT -6
Now, using base geographics as my only guide, here is what I think the Districts can look like, if every school stays in class: D IDistrict 1 | District 2 | District 3 | District 4 | District 5 | District 6 | District 7 | District 8 | Airline | Natchitoches Central | Acadiana | Baton Rouge | Denham Springs | Covington | Destrehan | Bonnabel | Byrd | Pineville | Barbe | Catholic-BR | Hammond | Fontainebleau | Hahnville | Brother Martin | Southwood | West Monroe | Comeaux | Dutchtown | Ponchatoula | Mandeville | HL Bourgeois | Chalmette | | | Lafayette | East Ascension | Walker | Northshore | Thibodaux | Ehret | | | New Iberia | McKinley | Zachary | Slidell | | Higgins | | | Sulphur | St Amant | | St Pauls | | Jesuit |
D IIDistrict 1 | District 2 | District 3 | District 4 | District 5 | District 6 | District 7 | District 8 | Benton | Neville | Alexandria | Belaire | Ben Franklin | Central Lafourche | East Jefferson | Helen Cox | Caddo | Ouachita Parish | Beau Chene | Broadmoor | Holy Cross | Ellender | East St John | Landry Walker | Haughton | Ruston | Carencro | Central-BR | Lakeshore | South Lafourche | Grace King | Riverdale | Northwood | West Ouachita | St Thomas More | Live Oak | Salmen | South Terrebonne | Rummel | West Jefferson | Parkway | | Tioga | Tara | | Terrebonne | | | Shreve | | Westgate | Woodlawn-BR | | | | |
D IIIDistrict 1 | District 2 | District 3 | District 4 | District 5 | District 6 | District 7 | District 8 | Bastrop | Bolton | Deridder | Abbeville | Episcopal-BR | Franklinton | Archbishop Shaw | De La Salle | Bossier | Buckeye | Leesville | Erath | Parkview Baptist | Independence | Belle Chasse | JS Clark | Loyola | Grant | Notre Dame | Kaplan | Plaquemine | Pearl River | ED White | Lusher Charter | Minden | Peabody | Opelousas | Morgan City | St Michaels | | Lutcher | International HS of NO | North Desoto | | St Louis | North Vermillion | University | | NO Military and Maritime | | | | Teurlings | | West Feliciana | | Vandebilt Catholic | |
D IVDistrict 1 | District 2 | District 3 | District 4 | District 5 | District 6 | District 7 | District 8 | Calvary Baptist | Ouachita Christian | Glenmora | Ascension Episcopal | Ascension Christian | Archbishop Hannan | Covenant Christian | Haynes Academy | Evangel Christian | St Frederick | Grace Christian | Catholic-NI | Catholic-PC | Northlake Christian | Houma Christian | Isadore Newman | North Caddo | | Menard | David Thibodaux | Christian Life | Pine | Patrick Taylor | Lutheran | Red River | | Opelousas Catholic | Episcopal of Acadiana | Dunham | Pope John Paul II | Riverside Academy | Metairie park Country Day | | | Rapides | Lafayette Christian | Lee Magnet | St Thomas Aquinas | St Charles | St Martins | | | | Westminster Christian | Runnels | | Thomas Jefferson | |
Okay guys--chew on that for a little while. Again, this is a hypothetical projection based on geography only. Im gonna take a break for a while
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 1, 2015 21:43:42 GMT -6
Alexandria and Tioga will stay up north like currently. They won't make drastic changes. Plus Westgate is a near 2.5-3 hour drive. Alexandria has a new rivalry going on and that district will just shift down to D2 mostly with Neville and Tioga.
Shreve is DI by the numbers I have from a principal high, high up in Lhsaa... So Caddo will play up also I assume. Parkway will stay D2 though and be back like it used to be.
In D3, if no extra district over 8, st Louis, DeRidder and Leesville will,move to the Alexandria area and the rest of the Acadiana area districts will be some sort of merger to make two. Opelousas also could be part of Alexandria area instead if that Lafayette district if st Louis doesn't move... But this is less likely. Morgan city will be with Vandy and EDW...
will look at at other stuff, but that the main things I see that I think will be different on the west end of the state
also dont don't see catholic breaking up... Holy cross, Rummel, and shaw will play up. Adjusting that Bf district to merge with some of the EJ district or all of it.
I def see 9 districts in D3 and possibly in D1.
Opelousas Cath will not be in that District for IV... Could see your 2 and 3 districts in D4 merge minus OC.
But but once again... Good stuff Ray. Like how you put some old school BJ Guzzardo district stuff in there... St Louis and Teurlings together but DeRidder in Alexandria. And Opelousas Cath in Alexandria area... All of those political decisions and requests were a long time ago and the reasons for the pm won't fly today. That number of 8 is not gonna be a definitive number, but more like a guideline.
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Post by nolapelota on Jan 1, 2015 22:22:13 GMT -6
Here is what five approximately 8-team districts could look like for the proposed D-IV.
The argument about 2 hour travel is just emotive. ALL the good teams are already playing multiple games a long way from home... Most schools will let teams out early to travel. Furthermore, these schools play basketball and baseball against most of these proposed district opponents already, and travel for those games ... so what makes soccer so unable to do that? In my opinion, the "2+ hours travel," "get home at 1 AM on a school night" argument is mostly just a red herring.
True the current district system is garbage. But, if we do away with districts entirely, it just makes the whole structure rickety and further promotes gamming the system for playoff purposes., not to mention how difficult scheduling would become for a lot of teams. Without required district games, I can almost guarantee that you will see a rapid segregation of scheduling with the Lutheran-level teams only playing each other.
At least if we create reasonable districts you get an intermediate something to play for, and a fairer distribution of computer results. And it could promote more participation in tournaments. Believe it or not could actually result in LESS travel distance for a season. Don't believe me? Someone figure out the total travel distance this year for... say ... Menard. Then sub this district schedule for 7 current road games and see the travel distance differential. 1-IV: (1) Calvary, (2) Evangel, (3) North Caddo, (4) Red River, (5) OCS, (6) St. Frederick's, (7) Menard, (8) Rapides
2-IV: (1) Glenmora; (2) Grace Christian; (3) Op Catholic; (4) Westminster; (5) Catholic NI; (6) D.Thibodaux; (7) ESA; (8) Lafayette Christian.
3-IV: (1) Ascension Episcopal; (2)Ascension Christian; (3) Catholic PC; (4) Christian Life, (5) Dunham; (6) Runnels; (7) Lee Magnet.
4-IV: (1) Archbishop Hannan; (2) NCS; (3) Pine; (4) PJP; (5) St Thomas Aquinas; (6) Covenant Christian; (7) St Charles; (8) Riverside.
5-IV: (1) Houma Christian; (2) Thomas Jefferson; (3) Haynes; (4) Newman; (5) Country Day: (6) St. Martin's; (7) Lutheran and or Patrick Taylor either of which may not play for district.
Require home and home and everyone now as a mixture of top, middle, lower rung teams on a goodly portion of their schedule. There is still room for 5-6 more regular season games and tournaments too. But the core of the schedules is approximately level, and suddenly district championship means something.
Why don't some people try setting up hypothetical 8-team districts for D-2 and D-3 along this line. You might find yourself getting kinda interested, even excited with some of the groupings that suddenly appear.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 1, 2015 22:31:30 GMT -6
Now, using base geographics as my only guide, here is what I think the Districts can look like, if every school stays in class: D IDistrict 1 | District 2 | District 3 | District 4 | District 5 | District 6 | District 7 | District 8-----District 9 | Airline | Natchitoches Central | Acadiana | Baton Rouge | Denham Springs | Covington | Destrehan | Bonnabel------Brother Martin | Byrd | Pineville | Barbe | Catholic-BR | Hammond | Fontainebleau | Hahnville | Ehret-----Rummel | Southwood | West Monroe | Comeaux | Dutchtown | Ponchatoula | Mandeville | HL Bourgeois | Chalmette----Jesuit | Shreve | | Lafayette | East Ascension | Walker | Northshore | Thibodaux | Higgins----Holy Cross | Caddo | | New Iberia | McKinley | Zachary | Slidell | | N/a-----Shaw | | | Sulphur | St Amant | | St Pauls | | N/a-----Jesuit |
D IIDistrict 1 | District 2 | District 3 | District 4 | District 5 | District 6 | District 7 | District 8 | Benton | Neville |
| Belaire |
| Central Lafourche | East Jefferson | Helen Cox | Parkway | Ouachita Parish | Beau Chene | Broadmoor |
| Ellender | East St John | Landry Walker | Haughton | Ruston | Carencro | Central-BR | Lakeshore | South Lafourche | Grace King | Riverdale | Northwood | West Ouachita | St Thomas More | Live Oak | Salmen | South Terrebonne | ben Franklin | West Jefferson |
| Alexandria |
| Tara | | Terrebonne | | |
| Tioga | Westgate | Woodlawn-BR | | | | |
D IIIDistrict 1 | District 2---District 2B | District 3 | District 4 | District 5 | District 6 | District 7 | District 8 | Bastrop | Bolton |
| Abbeville | Episcopal-BR | Franklinton |
| De La Salle | Bossier | Buckeye | St. Louis | Erath | Parkview Baptist | Independence |
| JS Clark | Loyola | Grant | Notre Dame | Kaplan | Plaquemine | Pearl River | ED White | Lusher Charter | Minden | Peabody | Opelousas | St. martinville | St Michaels | | Lutcher | International HS of NO | North Desoto | DeRidder | Teurlings | North Vermillion | University | | Morgan City | Belle Chasse | | Leesville |
| | West Feliciana | | Vandebilt Catholic | NO Military and Maritime |
D IVDistrict 1 | District 2 | District 3 | District 4 | District 5 | District 6 | District 7 | District 8 | Calvary Baptist | Ouachita Christian |
| Ascension Episcopal | Ascension Christian | Archbishop Hannan | Covenant Christian | Haynes Academy | Evangel Christian | St Frederick | Catholic PC? | Catholic-NI | Catholic-PC? | Northlake Christian | Houma Christian | Isadore Newman | North Caddo | Rapides | Lafayette Christian | David Thibodaux | Christian Life | Pine | Patrick Taylor | Lutheran | Red River | Glenmora | Opelousas Catholic | Episcopal of Acadiana | Dunham | Pope John Paul II | Riverside Academy | Metairie park Country Day | | Menard | Westminster |
| Lee Magnet | St Thomas Aquinas | St Charles | St Martins | | Grace Christian | |
| Runnels | | Thomas Jefferson | |
3 and 4 could combine to form one district. If not, Cath PC has history of being in distinct with Opelousas Catholic and Westmimster in major sports districts before. For girls, 3 and 4 would merge for one less district in girls.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Jan 1, 2015 22:34:10 GMT -6
Here is what five approximately 8-team districts could look like for D-III.
The argument about 2 hour travel is just emotive. ALL the good teams are already playing multiple games a long way from home... Most schools will let teams out early to travel. Furthermore, ALL of these schools play basketball and baseball against most of these opponents already. So the "2+ hours travel," "get home at 1 AM on a school night" argument is mostly just a red herring.
True the current district system is garbage. But, if we do away with districts entirely, it just makes the whole structure rickety and further promotes gamming the system for playoff purposes. At least if we create reasonable districts you get an intermediate something to play for, and a fairer distribution of computer results. And it could promote more participation in tournaments and believe it or not could actually result I LESS travel distance for a season.
1-IV: (1) Calvary, (2) Evangel, (3) North Caddo, (4) Red River, (5) OCS, (6) St. Frederick's, (7) Menard, (8) Rapides
2-IV: (1) Glenmora; (2) Grace Christian; (3) Op Catholic; (4) Westminster; (5) Catholic NI; (6) D.Thibodaux; (7) ESA; (8) Lafayette Christian.
3-IV: (1) Ascension Episcopal; (2)Ascension Christian; (3) Catholic PC; (4) Christian Life, (5) Dunham; (6) Runnels; (7) Lee Magnet.
4-IV: (1) Archbishop Hannan; (2) NCS; (3) Pine; (4) PJP; (5) St Thomas Aquinas; (6) Covenant Christian; (7) St Charles; (8) Riverside.
5-IV: (1) Houma Christian; (2) Thomas Jefferson; (3) Haynes; (4) Newman; (5) Country Day: (6) St. Martin's; (7) Lutheran and or Patrick Taylor either of which may not play for district.
Require home and home and everyone now as a mixture of top, middle, lower rung teams on a goodly portion of their schedule. There is still room for 5-6 more regular season games and tournaments too. But the core of the schedules is approximately level, and suddenly district championship means something. Try setting something up in D-2 and D-3 along this line. You might find yourself getting kinda interested in some of the pairings.
I think you need to go and look up geography of these schools! Ascension episcopal is no where near ascension Christian despite sounding alike. They are nearly in new Iberia... And closer to Houma than anywhere you have them going. ESA will love those district trips also. Not only would this not pass, it wouldn't even be brought up to the executive committee before putting it to principals to look at. There will not be anything close resembling what you just wrote. There will probably closer to 9 or 10 smaller districts giving teams freedom to schedule games that benefit their team and competitive scheduling instead of forcing a bunch of mercy rule gAmes and late night travel. If you don't think this matters in weekday sports, you are way out of it. Sorry, but that's the truth. Travel is a MAJOR ISSUE as is scheduling for power ratings. Times have changed and are continuing to change and it's all for the better. Look nolapelota, this isn't anything personal, and I repect your opinions. It's just you are way off on where this is headed and what the future holds if we can survive the split stuff that soccer seems to have safely avoided. Ray is way closer inline on what is going to happen and your ideas of travel on school nights don't matter, forcing teams to okay two e in large uncalled for districts that have teams in nearly New Iberia with either teams in Bagon Rouge or so where between Alexandria and Monroe are just absolutely crazy. Sorry for saying that, but it's true and will never, ever happen. In a perfect world, college football would have 8 or 16 team playoffs, high school soccer would use mix of power ratings and coaches seeding and many, many other things would be different. But the good ole times are gone. We don't have 4 classifications and are headed toward 8-9 in football (hopefully that shrinks to 7) and kids get taken out two weeks for a headache even when they pass concussion tests and baseline testing cause of lawsuit threats. It's a different world and player safety, academics, less forced travel and forced scheduled games are the things that are going to drive this. Rays 8 district example is a very good one and even had a lot of old school long distance connections that I mentioned and brought back good old memories... But that won't happen in today's LHSAA. It's going to be somewhere between what ray and I have and possibly an extra district in each one or at least in Div I and possibly Div III. All we can do as a coaches association is keep coming up with ideas to better the sport along these ideals that are being looked at nationwide when it comes to athletics and keep trying to fix things we can as an association. We put up 4 things that we have discussed in membership meetings for the last two years. Hopefully all 4 pass. Hopefully we have a say in districts, which we were told we may in the drafts that are sent to principals... We shall see. Our relationship worh lhsaa has never been better than it is now and we will keep striving to better our sport but along the ideals that are set forth by what's going on above us and in all sports.
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Post by kevin on Jan 1, 2015 22:45:31 GMT -6
also dont don't see catholic breaking up... Holy cross, Rummel, and shaw will play up. Adjusting that Bf district to merge with some of the EJ district or all of it. Will Shaw be able to play up from DIII to DI? Or would they be playing up into some sort of 6A football class? I'm sure the Catholic League will stay together as best as they can. I expect the same for the girls' side; it might make geographic sense to put Chalmette or some of the Jefferson Parish schools with them, but none of the teams involved want that. And it's the same for the boys.
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