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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 13, 2015 13:05:27 GMT -6
What is the deadline for a new team to register whether it be another gender or a completely new program? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using proboards It is supposed to be by the district meeting the spring before. You need to notify LHSAA and district and attend district meeting which is about scheduling and any district bylaw discussions or voting. Some years, we did it at the same time as All Distrixt, but on reclass years such as this, we wait until March or April to get new district together and another reason to meet, eat and have a drink and chat! All things at these meetings voted on, must be ratified by district principals. now there have been instances where a school didn't decide till school started, and upon notifying Lhsaa and having their district principals decide whether to accept them in late and add to district schedule which causes issues with teams already who have filled their schedules and often leads to them habing to cancel games or tournaments to accommodate a team that didn't meet deadlines. So make sure you get you school to make a decision quickly! Cause all these new districts will want to meet soon to decide bylaws and schedules.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 13, 2015 13:11:30 GMT -6
Jk52
Where did you find this on Lhsaa site? Or was this sent to principals?
Hall is telling me that Capt Shreve principal is being told they will stay in Div I cause they overlooked the deadline or thought they were going to be Div I or something? I know the numbers are voted in and no changes are made to the lines from here on out... But they can move teams who have number descrepancies if found, but they won't change the border numbers for each division or classification after they were approved. If that makes sense?
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Post by theirishman on Feb 13, 2015 13:23:43 GMT -6
Will Baton Rouge just have 1 district next year? With Woodlawn from 5-D1 and Central, Broadmoor and Live Oak from 4-D1 moving down to D2 that would leave 9 teams in BR where you had 13 before. I say have 1 9 team district and have everyone play each other once. Would be nice for all to be in the same district, especially Denham and Catholic BR.
Either way, something has to change or distict 4 will only have 3 teams.
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Post by bhsrams on Feb 13, 2015 13:23:49 GMT -6
Jk52 Where did you find this on Lhsaa site? Or was this sent to principals? Hall is telling me that Capt Shreve principal is being told they will stay in Div I cause they overlooked the deadline or thought they were going to be Div I or something? I know the numbers are voted in and no changes are made to the lines from here on out. But they can move teams who have number descrepancies if found, but they won't change the border numbers for each division or classification after they were approved. If that makes sense? There was an email sent to principals and ADs from Yvonne Smith with an Excel sheet with the schools, their enrollments numbers, and the 4 divisions. That's probably where that list came from (haven't checked numbers so I can't be sure). If you let me know your email address, I can forward the email and attachment to you.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 13, 2015 13:24:32 GMT -6
How about the potential newly added programs? Could those still be added to this list or has a deadline passed? Just asking as I saw schools like Union, Cecilia & St Martinville discussed earlier in this thread & wondering how that might affect what is drawn up above. I am not hearing good news about Cecilia or St Martinville. Should find out more about St Martinville soon. St Martinville is getting turf and has around 12 kids that play club soccer with CSC, Dynamo or Iberia already and was supposed to have soccer lines on turf. Now I'm hearing there is push back from the school board cause of other schools in district pushing back against soccer (ie. Cecilia and Breau Bridge). Cecilia is home of the legendary AD and football coach who moved to Beau Chene a decade ago and killed the soccer program, which even though it didn't habe any on field success at that time, was still participated in with enough interest and money to keep it going. That same attitude towards to the sport remains at his former school. The principal that was against it so much finally was gone and with the offer of either turf or money for facilities offered by the school board, at first Cecilia was to choose turf and thus the reason for not allowing soccer (the most used and most untrue. It damages the football stadium field) would be null and Chuck Tauzin and his group who have fought for nearly a decade to get a team at Cecilia wouls finally get one. But instead, the school has not gotten turf and refusing to let them use the stadium. Chuck supposed was looking at using the lighted baseball field that could fit a full sized high school, field on the outfield grass portion and have lights and bleachers on one side. So I thought it was going to be a go but I am hearing that they are not being allowed still! I think we need the coaches association, Mark Godwin (State DOC who lives in Cecilia and has personal interests, ie Kids, that would love to have soccer when they get to Cecilia high), and the LhSAA need to have some discussions and send out some education to these old school principals and ADs that keep using the field as a reason for not having it. It's a shame the local school board is not responding properly! Any research will show how damaging football is to the grass compared to soccer if the field is properly maintained and winterized for soccer. It's just another reason for a lazy administrator to not want to have sport. Excuse it's one more sport they have to have a member of staff at. It's all a huge conspiracy in St Martin Parish to keep soccer from being added to any schools. The school board was supposedly hoping that the offer of turf would solve the soccer issue. They need to step up and help the kids. Once upon a time Chuck Tauzin was a poster on this board, especially for club and girls soccer stuff as he is a big person on the Cecilia club soccer scene. Maybe if he is still,on this board and active, he can chime in?
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 13, 2015 13:27:31 GMT -6
Will Baton Rouge just have 1 district next year? With Woodlawn from 5-D1 and Central, Broadmoor and Live Oak from 4-D1 moving down to D2 that would leave 9 teams in BR where you had 13 before. I say have 1 9 team district and have everyone play each other once. Would be nice for all to be in the same district, especially Denham and Catholic BR. Either way, something has to change or distict 4 will only have 3 teams. Nothing wrong with a 3 team district in power ratings age! Probably preferred... Gives freedom to schedule more to teams goals.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 13, 2015 13:35:10 GMT -6
So according to above, they had divided 40 for DI, 39 for D2,D3, and D4. Then add the all girls schools into the division their enrollment numbers would be in. Jaut the ay it was supposed to be. But as you see. Caddo and de la Salle who were 2 of the 3 that definitely declared to play up (Caddo to d1 and de la Salle to d2) have not been placed in those divisions yet on this list so there will be at least those 3 changes (can't remember the third school that played up).
So maybe Hall could still be right about Shreve playing up. If not, they would be in a district in D2 with Parkway ams the rest of the Shreve area.
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Post by methuselah on Feb 13, 2015 14:04:35 GMT -6
I am not hearing good news about Cecilia or St Martinville. Should find out more about St Martinville soon. St Martinville is getting turf and has around 12 kids that play club soccer with CSC, Dynamo or Iberia already and was supposed to have soccer lines on turf. Now I'm hearing there is push back from the school board cause of other schools in district pushing back against soccer (ie. Cecilia and Breau Bridge). Cecilia is home of the legendary AD and football coach who moved to Beau Chene a decade ago and killed the soccer program, which even though it didn't habe any on field success at that time, was still participated in with enough interest and money to keep it going. That same attitude towards to the sport remains at his former school. The principal that was against it so much finally was gone and with the offer of either turf or money for facilities offered by the school board, at first Cecilia was to choose turf and thus the reason for not allowing soccer (the most used and most untrue. It damages the football stadium field) would be null and Chuck Tauzin and his group who have fought for nearly a decade to get a team at Cecilia wouls finally get one. But instead, the school has not gotten turf and refusing to let them use the stadium. Chuck supposed was looking at using the lighted baseball field that could fit a full sized high school, field on the outfield grass portion and have lights and bleachers on one side. So I thought it was going to be a go but I am hearing that they are not being allowed still! I think we need the coaches association, Mark Godwin (State DOC who lives in Cecilia and has personal interests, ie Kids, that would love to have soccer when they get to Cecilia high), and the LhSAA need to have some discussions and send out some education to these old school principals and ADs that keep using the field as a reason for not having it. It's a shame the local school board is not responding properly! Any research will show how damaging football is to the grass compared to soccer if the field is properly maintained and winterized for soccer. It's just another reason for a lazy administrator to not want to have sport. Excuse it's one more sport they have to have a member of staff at. It's all a huge conspiracy in St Martin Parish to keep soccer from being added to any schools. The school board was supposedly hoping that the offer of turf would solve the soccer issue. They need to step up and help the kids. Once upon a time Chuck Tauzin was a poster on this board, especially for club and girls soccer stuff as he is a big person on the Cecilia club soccer scene. Maybe if he is still,on this board and active, he can chime in? It takes some effort. I know here they had to lobby hard for years and years - community meetings, meetings with the administration, etc. etc. I wasn't a part of that but will always be appreciative of those that carried that torch. Perseverance paid off. And once it was adopted, the administration and the athletic department have been very supportive. (I was glad to see that last year when they built the new St. James High School stadium, the turf field they put in has the soccer markings. I'm hoping one day the support will be there for them to add a team).
So for anyone out there trying to get your school to start a team, keep fighting the fight. Get the community involved. If their community has a good sized rec and/or club program, that's a lot of soccer moms (and dads) who vote in school board elections. Once it is adopted, the powers that be will probably wonder why they didn't do it sooner.
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 13, 2015 16:57:29 GMT -6
Will Baton Rouge just have 1 district next year? With Woodlawn from 5-D1 and Central, Broadmoor and Live Oak from 4-D1 moving down to D2 that would leave 9 teams in BR where you had 13 before. I say have 1 9 team district and have everyone play each other once. Would be nice for all to be in the same district, especially Denham and Catholic BR. Either way, something has to change or distict 4 will only have 3 teams. Look for the Livingston teams still in D1 and Zachary to be sent east, with the Northshore District being broken up. As we projected, Walker, Zachary and Denham will be joined up by Hammond, and Ponchatoula. Hammond has been placed in a district with Denham Springs before, so it has some historic background. I had a chance to talk with Denham Springs coach last night and he seemed to feel this was the way it would go. The other Northshore district will be St Pauls, Northshore, Slidell, Fontainebleau, and Mandeville. Covington can go either way, and according to Coach Inman, they intend to stay with Ponchatoula and Hammond. I think that will be a hard sell given CHS' proximity to St Pauls, Mandeville and Fontainebleau vs Hammond and Ponchatoula The metro BTR District most assuredly will be Catholic, BRHS, McKinley, St Amant, Dutchtown and EA. As the move to single game district play becomes more prevalent, and with there now being 4 divisions, I dont see there being a 9 team distict....anywhere. More, smaller districts seems to be the new mantra
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 13, 2015 17:01:03 GMT -6
Will Baton Rouge just have 1 district next year? With Woodlawn from 5-D1 and Central, Broadmoor and Live Oak from 4-D1 moving down to D2 that would leave 9 teams in BR where you had 13 before. I say have 1 9 team district and have everyone play each other once. Would be nice for all to be in the same district, especially Denham and Catholic BR. Either way, something has to change or distict 4 will only have 3 teams. Nothing wrong with a 3 team district in power ratings age! Probably preferred. Gives freedom to schedule more to teams goals. While I agree in theory, I just dont see a 3 team district snuggled between a 6 and an 8 team district--especially in the avenue between Baton Rouge and the Northshore. If we were talking about the rural area between Monroe and Shreveport, I would say yeah, but not in SELA.
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Post by jk52 on Feb 13, 2015 17:32:06 GMT -6
Beau Chene Coach
My AD received the list from Yvonne Smith and forwarded it to me.
On another note: Teams that request to play up in classifications may not automatically be played up in soccer and/or volleyball. A separate request is supposed to be made to play up in sports with divisions. Hopefully, the LHSAA will be lenient and allow the schools to play where they want. A similar situation occurred two years ago with our volleyball team and the LHSAA barely allowed them to be placed where we wanted to be placed.
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 13, 2015 17:35:37 GMT -6
Jk52 Where did you find this on Lhsaa site? Or was this sent to principals? Hall is telling me that Capt Shreve principal is being told they will stay in Div I cause they overlooked the deadline or thought they were going to be Div I or something? I know the numbers are voted in and no changes are made to the lines from here on out. But they can move teams who have number descrepancies if found, but they won't change the border numbers for each division or classification after they were approved. If that makes sense? There was an email sent to principals and ADs from Yvonne Smith with an Excel sheet with the schools, their enrollments numbers, and the 4 divisions. That's probably where that list came from (haven't checked numbers so I can't be sure). If you let me know your email address, I can forward the email and attachment to you. I had this email forwarded to me by my principal today. Numbers are consistent with what came out of the Feb 11 meeting. The exact verbiage of the email is as thus: "Principals and Athletic Directors:
Attached are the excel spreadsheets of the division sports – golf, soccer, swimming, tennis, volleyball and wrestling. These have been approved as FINAL by the Executive Committee yesterday. The proposed districts for these sports are currently being formulated and will be sent out early next week.
Thanks,
Yvonne G. Smith
Eligibility and Compliance CoordinatorLouisiana High School Athletic Association"
My interpretation is that these divisions are in the final form seeing as the word "FINAL" has been capitalized (LHSAA did that, not me). It still begs the clarification that comes from the verbiage attached to the playing up passages, specifically using the word CLASSIFICATION vs DIVISIONS. My interpretation is that if a school opts to play up, it must play up in the sports still utilizing A-Class systems of play--specifically the "traditional sports"...i.e. football, baseball, boys and girls basketball, boys and girls track & field and softball. I may be incorrect, but I believe the remaining sports use a divisional system similar to what we use in soccer. Someone can clarify that for me as im not spending all night poring over LHSAA handbooks. Sports utilizing the Divisional method play in non consistent districts than the traditional sports. At Ascension Christian our traditional sports look to be in a district with Ascension Catholic, East Iberville, St John of Plaquemine, Kentwood, White Castle and Southern Lab 9none of these 1A schools having soccer), where as our soccer team will be in a district most likely with Runnels, Christian Life, Lee, and Dunham. This is just my hypothesis, and I think it has some merit when we understand the two differnt ways of categorizing schools. Hopefully we will get a clarification. As for Caddo, I just dont get why they would choose to move up and Shreve wouldnt. Its long been my understanding that these two schools desire to play up in class has been fueled by the desire to keep the rivalry between the schools going more than anything else. As Caddo is a CNF school ( Competing non football), I dont see what they really gain by playing up into 5A, especially if Shreve isnt. And as for Shreve, I just dont get how they "missed" the deadline. There's more to this story
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 13, 2015 18:40:33 GMT -6
There was an email sent to principals and ADs from Yvonne Smith with an Excel sheet with the schools, their enrollments numbers, and the 4 divisions. That's probably where that list came from (haven't checked numbers so I can't be sure). If you let me know your email address, I can forward the email and attachment to you. I had this email forwarded to me by my principal today. Numbers are consistent with what came out of the Feb 11 meeting. The exact verbiage of the email is as thus: "Principals and Athletic Directors:
Attached are the excel spreadsheets of the division sports – golf, soccer, swimming, tennis, volleyball and wrestling. These have been approved as FINAL by the Executive Committee yesterday. The proposed districts for these sports are currently being formulated and will be sent out early next week.
Thanks,
Yvonne G. Smith
Eligibility and Compliance CoordinatorLouisiana High School Athletic Association"
My interpretation is that these divisions are in the final form seeing as the word "FINAL" has been capitalized (LHSAA did that, not me). It still begs the clarification that comes from the verbiage attached to the playing up passages, specifically using the word CLASSIFICATION vs DIVISIONS. My interpretation is that if a school opts to play up, it must play up in the sports still utilizing A-Class systems of play--specifically the "traditional sports".i.e. football, baseball, boys and girls basketball, boys and girls track & field and softball. I may be incorrect, but I believe the remaining sports use a divisional system similar to what we use in soccer. Someone can clarify that for me as im not spending all night poring over LHSAA handbooks. Sports utilizing the Divisional method play in non consistent districts than the traditional sports. At Ascension Christian our traditional sports look to be in a district with Ascension Catholic, East Iberville, St John of Plaquemine, Kentwood, White Castle and Southern Lab 9none of these 1A schools having soccer), where as our soccer team will be in a district most likely with Runnels, Christian Life, Lee, and Dunham. This is just my hypothesis, and I think it has some merit when we understand the two differnt ways of categorizing schools. Hopefully we will get a clarification. As for Caddo, I just dont get why they would choose to move up and Shreve wouldnt. Its long been my understanding that these two schools desire to play up in class has been fueled by the desire to keep the rivalry between the schools going more than anything else. As Caddo is a CNF school ( Competing non football), I dont see what they really gain by playing up into 5A, especially if Shreve isnt. And as for Shreve, I just dont get how they "missed" the deadline. There's more to this story Ray, For soccer the division play up form was needed by 11 am that morning. We actually filled one out for soccer and sent one in just in case we were in D3. We were told we didn't need it after sending it in and thus were already in d2 and not announced as playing up. There were 3 schools that did announce and those 3 aren't moved yet. This is the official lines of divisions and approved numbers. So you will probably see the 3 teams that chose to play up put in the proper divisions when districts come out. I wonder if Capt Shreve will be allowed to play up since they missed the deadline... But I agree Ray, it's strange that the ball was dropped as you would have thought both schools (Caddo and Shreve) have discussed before acting.
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Post by methuselah on Feb 14, 2015 21:04:20 GMT -6
I tried to create a quick and dirty digital drop pin map of the D-III schools by using the list provided a page above and dropping them into an online program. I had to go in and edit to take out the girls only schools and make some individual hand corrections (among other things the first run through had Loyola Prep in England and St. Louis School in Michigan as well as a couple of schools in the Northeast) But I think I'm still off on some or maybe have some schools missing. Any proof readers out there? www.batchgeo.com/map/ce92082c3c8a670b9b1125e6a575d1e3
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 15, 2015 4:14:32 GMT -6
No Beau Chene
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Post by methuselah on Feb 15, 2015 6:17:30 GMT -6
I just did D-III. You guys ended up in D-II (I think).
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Post by ShreveDad on Feb 15, 2015 7:07:28 GMT -6
An article in the Shreveport paper this morning has Shreve playing 5A in football.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 15, 2015 12:34:54 GMT -6
I just did D-III. You guys ended up in D-II (I think). Sorry, didn't see you put d3
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 15, 2015 12:35:51 GMT -6
An article in the Shreveport paper this morning has Shreve playing 5A in football. Football, basketball, baseball, softball, and track are classifications and they are 5A. In soccer, it's 4 equal divisions and they fell 4 schools short into Div II, they needed to request to play up like Caddo did.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 15:51:53 GMT -6
I still don't know for sure what Shreve's status is for next year.
I was told the updated enrollment numbers would keep Shreve in D1.
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