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Post by miraddydad on Jan 1, 2015 9:43:18 GMT -6
I'd like to know why when a field player makes a dangerous tackle against another field player, it's called a foul, but when a player flattens a goalkeeper with clear control of the ball, it's not. I've seen it more during the high school season and they've been clear cut examples of players attempting to either take the goalkeeper out of the game or force the goalkeeper to drop the ball.
In the Mandeville tournament, I watched the same player abuse a goalkeeper twice in the same match right in front of the ref. No call.
In talking to other team parents, I'm beginning to hear of the same players initiating a lot of contact with the goalkeepers, yet refs don't seem to know its a foul or view it as a foul.
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Post by happyjack on Jan 1, 2015 10:06:16 GMT -6
Without seeing the specific incidents you mentioned, I can offer a couple of thoughts:
1. Ball is 50/50 and both player and keeper challenge for it 2. Momentum of the keeper running out to get ball causes collision 3. Multiple players challenging for ball in a rugby-like scrum that causes someone to be knocked in to the keeper 4. Just because a player touches a keeper (initiates contact) does not mean a foul has occurred.
I'm not aware of any referee that will let a keeper in "clear control" of the ball get flattened without calling a foil.
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Post by miraddydad on Jan 1, 2015 10:19:36 GMT -6
Yeah. I recognize the situations you reference. Sometimes that happens. However, in my experience, refs seem to give the field player more leeway. Perhaps it's mainly a problem in our part of the state. But like I said, I watched it down south this week. Keeper makes an easy scoop up of the ball. Begins to stand upright then BAM! Attacker comes in hard, squared up with forearms/elbows up and flattens the keeper. Then later that game, while the keeper is on the ground, comes in a plants a knee in the small of the keepers back.
If you'd like, I can post a video as an example. Or, if that might be too inflammatory, I can PM it to you. But it's not a unique situation.
I've been around youth soccer now for almost 12 years, and don't just post accusations or problems with refs because I know it's a thankless job. But I'm concerned that with the tone not being set with enforcing the rules regarding dangerous and at times even dirty play, we're going to see more players getting hurt.
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Post by happyjack on Jan 1, 2015 11:37:25 GMT -6
I don't see an issue with videos of fouls, many have been posted
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Post by smee on Jan 1, 2015 13:46:40 GMT -6
I have to agree with Happy on this one. Without seeing actual footage, it is difficult to say what is a foul or not. However, I will say, that if I have a whistle, and see a player "taking out a keeper", he or she is probably not going to finish the game.
That said, I am also seeing an increasing number of goalkeepers faking to pick the ball up and then pulling back, and trying to draw a foul, or at least frustrate the opponent. Not big, and not clever.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Jan 1, 2015 14:24:54 GMT -6
I agree. I also have seen players kicking at goalkeeper hands when they have both hands on ball and standing up after scooping ball.
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Post by miraddydad on Jan 2, 2015 7:24:41 GMT -6
I've never posted a video on this forum before, so I'll try to figure it out this evening.
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Post by miraddydad on Jan 2, 2015 19:10:17 GMT -6
Bah. I'm technologically challenged! Can't seem to figure out how to put video on here.
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Post by happyjack on Jan 2, 2015 21:53:35 GMT -6
12.4.1, 12.4.2, 12.4.2a, and 12.4.2b cover charging the keeper in possession of the ball...foul on the keeper when in possession of the ball...and defines what is considers possession
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