Ref left early.

[happyjack]

There is no OT, game ends in tie. Was this discussed ahead of the match? Certainly seems odd...

[Deleted]

Gotta go with jack on this one.

If there doesn't have to be a winner, what's the point?

And, unless it's a tournament final or playoff game, there shouldn't be.

[rlb2024]

The original post that sets the scenario for this thread seems to have been deleted . . .

[time2retire]

Basically a middle school game tied at the end of regulation, coach claimed district so OT, refs said no OT, assistant ref disagreed and left. Other 2 refs stayed and ran a dual.

[loJic]

No need for OT unless it's an elimination game.

[Scott Crawford]

Jan 19, 2015 10:37:14 GMT -6 @hall97 said:

Gotta go with jack on this one.

If there doesn't have to be a winner, what's the point?

And, unless it's a tournament final or playoff game, there shouldn't be.

Agreed. I dislike ties and unless it's a scrimmage think there should be OT followed by penalty kicks. Especially in district games. Ties are so unsatisfying for players and fans.

[barnacle13]

Jan 20, 2015 5:38:38 GMT -6 Scott Crawford said:

Jan 19, 2015 10:37:14 GMT -6 @hall97 said:

Gotta go with jack on this one.

If there doesn't have to be a winner, what's the point?

And, unless it's a tournament final or playoff game, there shouldn't be.

Agreed. I dislike ties and unless it's a scrimmage think there should be OT followed by penalty kicks. Especially in district games. Ties are so unsatisfying for players and fans.

Depends what you're looking for in a match. If it's all about scoring, then why roll any defenders or goalies onto the pitch. just keep running up and down the pitch and see who scores the most goals like basketball. If you're there for the game within the game, a draw can be just as satisfying. Think West Ham isn't happy with a 0-0 draw with Chelsea or City? Their fans would be ecstatic! Why play another 20 minutes on weary legs and risk injuries that could linger a lifetime for these teenagers pushing for the winner in OT, when at the end of the season it all comes down to a calculation for seeding? Who cares if you have co-champs for district? Perspective....it's high school athletics and won't cure hunger, promote world peace, etc. If it's good enough for the pros, why isn't it OK for high school? 

[laffysoccermom]

I agree. I think the risk of injury not worth the added time.

However, I think the ref leaving in this situation was very unprofessional. I don't walk off my job due to a disagreement and sometimes have to work longer than expected.

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[smee]

Without having all the details, my 2 cents goes somewhat like this:

In our district, middle school games need a winner. Due to lack of floodlights (and referees racing to high school games afterwards), games go straight to kicks if tied. Our local assignor for middle school games reminds us of this weekly.

In high school games, a tie is a tie. Game over. Everyone goes home. Period. No discussion afterwards of overtime, kicks or "rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock" to decide winner.

It sounds like there may have been some confusion as it was a middle school game, and, as each district gets to decide themselves what to do in the event of a tie, lack of communication may have been an issue.

[steveg]

I posted the original comment and when others set me straight on my ignorance I deleted it! I thought the whole thread would disappear when I deleted the original post.

I am not a head coach, just a volunteer coach. This was a varsity match last week I was referring to where we tied, I was under the impression OT was needed but a ref left early. I was under the assumption, again I'm just a volunteer, that we were supposed to play out all the way to PKs to determine a winner since it was a district match.

Thanks all for the info. I learned something!

[beauchenecoach]

Jan 20, 2015 10:43:30 GMT -6 smee said:

Without having all the details, my 2 cents goes somewhat like this:

In our district, middle school games need a winner. Due to lack of floodlights (and referees racing to high school games afterwards), games go straight to kicks if tied. Our local assignor for middle school games reminds us of this weekly.

In high school games, a tie is a tie. Game over. Everyone goes home. Period. No discussion afterwards of overtime, kicks or "rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock" to decide winner.

It sounds like there may have been some confusion as it was a middle school game, and, as each district gets to decide themselves what to do in the event of a tie, lack of communication may have been an issue.

There are half a dozen threads and EVERY coach is responsible for rules clinics and reading all new changes in handbook every year!  This is part of your job!  And let's not forget the emails and notes sent out by the LHSSCA... Some coaches and district just don't pay attention and think they can do what they want when it comes to district!  That is NOT this case with these rules changes.  We do have an old rule,that contradict a new rule,and the new rule over rules the old rule cause it answers the question of standings tiebreakers.  I think some confuse a standings tiebreaker from an actual game tiebreaker, which no longer exists except for post season.  And standings tiebreakers no longer exist cause lhsaa recognizes  all those tied for first as co champs and all get auto bids to playoffs.  There is no other spot that needs a tiebreaker either.  So why... WHY play OT or PKs?  And then why ignore any lhsaa rule about games ending in draws and then report a win on PKs or OT? Sorry... It's just a handful of districts not following the rules.  All were told numerous times.

[barnacle13]

The only benefit I see would be going to PKs, and only to prepare for the real game pressure of a PK shootout should you get there in the playoffs. Sure you can take them at practice, but the stress level isn't nearly the same. Knowing who can take a PK and who can take a PK under pressure can be two different things. I still stand by my earlier post though that a tie match can be just as satisfying to watch as a win, and much more fun to watch than a blowout. I'll take a 0-0 battle over a 10-0 rolling any day regardless of which side of the 10-0 I'd be on. Most know I'm a Woodlawn follower, and I assure you the 1-1 tie at St. Amant was a much more enjoyable game to watch than their win over Broadmoor. Watching our defense deal with Saucier and Bourgeois and the offense attacking against Rodriguez was fun to watch. Very talented players making some very strong plays, and Woodlawn hanging in to grind out the result. Fun to watch! Hammond's striker was fun to watch as well earlier in the season. Real talent there.

[used2be]

Jan 21, 2015 11:57:20 GMT -6 barnacle13 said:

The only benefit I see would be going to PKs, and only to prepare for the real game pressure of a PK shootout should you get there in the playoffs. Sure you can take them at practice, but the stress level isn't nearly the same. Knowing who can take a PK and who can take a PK under pressure can be two different things. I still stand by my earlier post though that a tie match can be just as satisfying to watch as a win, and much more fun to watch than a blowout. I'll take a 0-0 battle over a 10-0 rolling any day regardless of which side of the 10-0 I'd be on. Most know I'm a Woodlawn follower, and I assure you the 1-1 tie at St. Amant was a much more enjoyable game to watch than their win over Broadmoor. Watching our defense deal with Saucier and Bourgeois and the offense attacking against Rodriguez was fun to watch. Very talented players making some very strong plays, and Woodlawn hanging in to grind out the result. Fun to watch! Hammond's striker was fun to watch as well earlier in the season. Real talent there.

I agree with barnacle on this...watching the defense hang on by a thread or watching attackers press for the winner provides for a much more interesting match to watch compared to a complete drubbing.  I think because Catholic, Dutchtown, EA, McKinley, StAmant, and Woodlawn all have skilled players that don't back down, the district still has drama left to play out in the final games.

[barnacle13]

Jan 21, 2015 16:08:36 GMT -6 used2be said:

Jan 21, 2015 11:57:20 GMT -6 barnacle13 said:

The only benefit I see would be going to PKs, and only to prepare for the real game pressure of a PK shootout should you get there in the playoffs. Sure you can take them at practice, but the stress level isn't nearly the same. Knowing who can take a PK and who can take a PK under pressure can be two different things. I still stand by my earlier post though that a tie match can be just as satisfying to watch as a win, and much more fun to watch than a blowout. I'll take a 0-0 battle over a 10-0 rolling any day regardless of which side of the 10-0 I'd be on. Most know I'm a Woodlawn follower, and I assure you the 1-1 tie at St. Amant was a much more enjoyable game to watch than their win over Broadmoor. Watching our defense deal with Saucier and Bourgeois and the offense attacking against Rodriguez was fun to watch. Very talented players making some very strong plays, and Woodlawn hanging in to grind out the result. Fun to watch! Hammond's striker was fun to watch as well earlier in the season. Real talent there.

I agree with barnacle on this...watching the defense hang on by a thread or watching attackers press for the winner provides for a much more interesting match to watch compared to a complete drubbing.  I think because Catholic, Dutchtown, EA, McKinley, StAmant, and Woodlawn all have skilled players that don't back down, the district still has drama left to play out in the final games.

Don't forget Baton Rouge in that mix. You can catch a fairly competitive and hard fought match just about any night of in Dist 5.

[used2be]

Unintentionally omitted the Dawgs. Their matchup with St.Amant at the Pit should be entertaining.

[soccerfan333]

Calm down laffysoccermom, until you know all the details, there is no need to throw stones. There was discussion right before the game had started, between the referees, the AR in question was not staying for any extended play due to any circumstances. He was going to watch his son play soccer and was not going to miss his game because of OT or PKs. The center showed up right at game time because he came from another game to do this particular game. The AR's schedule was blocked this day but he accepted the game because the shortage of referees in the Baton Rouge area and wanted to help out. Dual refereeing happens all of the time in high school and it is my understanding that the coaches had no problem finishing the remainder of the game with two referees.
In closing, laffysoccermom, I hope you enroll in the next class of new referees this spring. Tim does a great job in Lafayette, so you can listen to the parents and fans that have no idea what it is like to have people scream at the top of their lungs during a "game" that kids are trying to "play" and have "fun" at while their parents act like asses on the sidelines.
I referee for the fun of it, to watch kids play and enjoy soccer, it's not a job, it's a hobby. And by the way, I'm a father first, referee second(really third), that is after my full time job! I hope you get to leave work sometimes to watch your kids play soccer, life is short and so is the time with our kids, don't miss it!

[laffysoccermom]

My response was from what info given on board. Ref disagreed and left. That sounds unprofessional. Given rest of scenario as you described less so. It was my opinion based on that statement by someone I thought was at game and I believe is a ref. I was not uncalm and apologize since my comment upset you.

I understand being a ref is not your primary job and you probably do it way more for love of the game than money. Admirable....




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[p_malinich]

Jan 23, 2015 23:31:07 GMT -6 soccerfan333 said:

There was discussion right before the game had started, between the referees, the AR in question was not staying for any extended play due to any circumstances. He was going to watch his son play soccer and was not going to miss his game because of OT or PKs. The center showed up right at game time because he came from another game to do this particular game. The AR's schedule was blocked this day but he accepted the game because the shortage of referees in the Baton Rouge area and wanted to help out. Dual refereeing happens all of the time in high school and it is my understanding that the coaches had no problem finishing the remainder of the game with two referees.

Thank you for filling in the rest of the story.  I scratched my head at the original report because it felt like the rest of us weren't hearing all of it.

Jan 23, 2015 23:31:07 GMT -6 soccerfan333 said:

Calm down laffysoccermom, until you know all the details, there is no need to throw stones. 

In defense of laffysoccermom, she's probably one of the most glass-half-full (not empty) persons on this board.  In her more than 1000 posts, she is generally seeking to understand (and really becoming a student of the game) or trying to encourage.  So I would encourage all of us to give a little benefit of the doubt.  I really don't think her intent was to throw stones & I hope that your reply wasn't to throw them back.

Jan 24, 2015 0:21:22 GMT -6 laffysoccermom said:

My response was from what info given on board. Ref disagreed and left. That sounds unprofessional. Given rest of scenario as you described less so. It was my opinion based on that statement by someone I thought was at game and I believe is a ref. I was not uncalm and apologize since my comment upset you.

I understand being a ref is not your primary job and you probably do it way more for love of the game than money. Admirable....

And here she proves the point.  She takes your feedback, processes it, and gives you praise for your priorities (as do I).  I saw your post last night & almost replied to defend her, but knew that she would do fine on her own.

That said, thanks again for giving us the rest of the story.  I think the referees get bashed way too often (and it feels even higher this year).   I appreciate hearing about his priorities as well.  Thanks!

[soccerfan333]

Thank you p_malinich for the reply and also to laffysoccermom for the apology. I do not wish to throw stones towards her, she has obviously been a great contributor to this website with her 1000+ posts and numerous stars by her name, she is invaluable to the conversation, I was just defending my actions. Hope to see you on the pitch!

[pompey]

I notice everyone avoiding talk of lack of air in the balls.
Gorilla in the room, people!! Hello!?!?