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Post by archangel on Jan 20, 2015 14:04:36 GMT -6
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 20, 2015 14:18:00 GMT -6
New poll this week I would assume.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Jan 20, 2015 14:48:11 GMT -6
Sterlington was not in the 1/13 rankings but is in this one. Went from 42 to 43 teams.
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Post by LAsoccercoach on Jan 20, 2015 15:14:08 GMT -6
The game between Loyola Prep & STM was cancelled due to some venue & travel complications. STM was able to schedule a game tomorrow 1/20 6PM @ St. Scholastica to replace that game. Getting interesting. If Loyola lost, they would have dropped to #2 and been a position to play Ben Franklin in semi finals instead of finals. I wonder if that was one of the "complications" I see ya trying to get the pot stirring...it was just an unfortunate series of events that lead to the cancellation, both teams were upset that the game couldn't continue as planned. STM is looking forward to a tough game vs ssa which should push them to the brink of there abilities to try and win. Power rankings will sort itself out at the end of the season. |
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Post by copakid14 on Jan 20, 2015 16:13:10 GMT -6
The game between Loyola Prep & STM was cancelled due to some venue & travel complications. STM was able to schedule a game tomorrow 1/20 6PM @ St. Scholastica to replace that game. Getting interesting. If Loyola lost, they would have dropped to #2 and been a position to play Ben Franklin in semi finals instead of finals. I wonder if that was one of the "complications" I wish I was good enough to manipulate the system that much. I have a feeling that Ben Franklin may end up 4th in PR when it's all said and done...not much of a reward if we do happen to finish #1. Bottom line is everyone is good when you get to the quarters. I appreciate the STM coach chiming in as it was unfortunate that we found out last minute there was a pretty hefty field rental fee for our originally scheduled venue. |
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Post by Antimatter on Jan 20, 2015 16:28:20 GMT -6
I cannot fathom why it makes a difference when you play a team in the playoffs. I would rather play a superior team earlier rather than the finals. It is my opinion you are more likely to get an upset the earlier you play them.
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Post by legna on Jan 20, 2015 16:43:25 GMT -6
I see ya trying to get the pot stirring...it was just an unfortunate series of events that lead to the cancellation, both teams were upset that the game couldn't continue as planned. STM is looking forward to a tough game vs ssa which should push them to the brink of there abilities to try and win. Power rankings will sort itself out at the end of the season. I wish I was good enough to manipulate the system that much. I have a feeling that Ben Franklin may end up 4th in PR when it's all said and done...not much of a reward if we do happen to finish #1. Bottom line is everyone is good when you get to the quarters. I appreciate the STM coach chiming in as it was unfortunate that we found out last minute there was a pretty hefty field rental fee for our originally scheduled venue. With the coaches poll, there is all kind of lively discussion about why someone should be higher or lower. With the PR, it is what it is. So I was trying to generate ANY discussion. If it stirred the pot, that is just lagniappe  Didn't mean to impugn Loyola's motives. I hear they are a class program. Good luck to both of you coaches the remainder of the season. |
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Post by kevin on Jan 20, 2015 17:28:02 GMT -6
I cannot fathom why it makes a difference when you play a team in the playoffs. I would rather play a superior team earlier rather than the finals. It is my opinion you are more likely to get an upset the earlier you play them. Yeah, but a team doesn't want to make a five-hour drive if they can avoid it--that's what could happen if BF is #4 and Loyola is #1. Beyond that, I tend to agree, but sometimes you might have, say, six really strong teams in a division and then a big drop-off. The teams seeded 1 and 2 don't have to play the other top teams until the semis. |
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Post by ecolintman on Jan 20, 2015 19:43:19 GMT -6
I cannot fathom why it makes a difference when you play a team in the playoffs. I would rather play a superior team earlier rather than the finals. It is my opinion you are more likely to get an upset the earlier you play them. No coach with any sense would prefer to play the likes of SSA or Franklin before the final. You can't win State unless you actually play in the final and playing those teams greatly increases your chance of not making it. As a coach I want the easiest path to the finals. If you're a coach and want to play BF or SSA in the first round please state your case. |
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Post by Antimatter on Jan 20, 2015 20:16:11 GMT -6
I would not want to play the top seed in the 1st round. However if I know my team's best game can beat the top seed I would rather face them prior to the finals. Top seeds can get into that mode where they assume they are going all the way and sneaking up on them in an earlier round would usually be easier than facing them in the final. I doubt US Hockey beats Russia were it the final in 1980. I get that you cannot win the final if you are not in it...just a different school of thought.
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Post by Ronaldinho on Jan 20, 2015 20:33:56 GMT -6
It will be very interesting to see the reactions if Loyola or STM ends up hosting a #3 or #4 Ben Franklin in a semifinal game because of the power rankings. Will BF be frustrated at not only playing Loyola or STM before the final, but also having to do it on the road, hours away? Being seeded #1 could've likely meant a home semifinal against neither Loyola nor STM, and only having to beat one of them to win state...rewards for being the top seed. On the other hand, would Loyola and STM have preferred to play each other as 2v3 in the semis instead of potentially taking on BF a round earlier, or will they relish the possible chance to beat BF at home in the semis? I wonder just who and how many will be unhappy with the seeds. But this also forgets teams like Vandebilt, Lakeshore, and Teurlings who will be major threats to anyone. Anyway, it's all just speculation until the seeds are finalized.
SJA at #2 in D1 is also very eye-catching to me. I have no idea if they'll stay there, but that would make the D1 brackets a little shuffled from expected. SSA, Mt Carmel, and probably Dominican seem like the class of D1 to me. I hope SSA and MCA end up on opposite sides of the draw.
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Post by kevin on Jan 20, 2015 21:02:40 GMT -6
SJA at #2 in D1 is also very eye-catching to me. I have no idea if they'll stay there, but that would make the D1 brackets a little shuffled from expected. SSA, Mt Carmel, and probably Dominican seem like the class of D1 to me. I hope SSA and MCA end up on opposite sides of the draw. My guess is that SJA would probably drop a few spots with a loss or tie to Mt. Carmel this weekend. If they get the win, I don't know how everything will play out, but my gut tells me that by the end of the season SSA winds up 2 or 3 and MCA will stay at number 1, so they'd be on opposite sides. |
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Post by Antimatter on Jan 20, 2015 21:12:06 GMT -6
Where I think the seeding can get interesting is the 6 to 11 range. I would rather be the 12th seed than the 8th for example.
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Post by CoachO on Jan 27, 2015 16:40:18 GMT -6
Are we getting a new power ranking released today?
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Post by soccerdad23 on Jan 28, 2015 15:31:13 GMT -6
new power rankings are posted
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Post by soccerdad23 on Jan 28, 2015 15:31:38 GMT -6
new power rankings are posted on lhsaa
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Post by Ronaldinho on Jan 28, 2015 16:46:52 GMT -6
I wonder if there is any likelihood of change at the top at this point?
I see a few big games left, Dominican vs Mt Carmel, Dominican vs Ben Franklin, Mandeville vs St Thomas More....maybe there are others? I don't know of any big DIII showdowns left?
For example, what if Dominican beats Mt Carmel or Ben Franklin here at the end of the season? Would they take #2 from SSA? Or could Mt Carmel even lose the #1 seed to SSA or Dominican?
On the other hand, could Ben Franklin jump STM at #2 in DII by beating Dominican? Could STM push for #1 in their upcoming game against Mandeville, or would it be even more danger of dropping to #3 if they lose and BF beats Dominican? Could Vandy jump BF if BF loses to Dominican?
Some interesting/complicated scenarios but I don't know the math well enough to know if the rankings are essentially solidified now.
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Post by stlfan on Jan 28, 2015 17:05:07 GMT -6
Question for those well schooled in the art of these power ratings...
Do the ratings have an overt inclusion of a team's winning percentage, regardless of who they play, as part of the team's calculated PR? If not, I think that's a real problem.
And, where can I find the "official" reported game results as determined in calculating the PR? i.e. for all teams?
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Post by rebelfan16 on Jan 28, 2015 18:45:48 GMT -6
Question for those well schooled in the art of these power ratings... Do the ratings have an overt inclusion of a team's winning percentage, regardless of who they play, as part of the team's calculated PR? If not, I think that's a real problem. And, where can I find the "official" reported game results as determined in calculating the PR? i.e. for all teams? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 20:37:24 GMT -6
Question for those well schooled in the art of these power ratings... Do the ratings have an overt inclusion of a team's winning percentage, regardless of who they play, as part of the team's calculated PR? If not, I think that's a real problem. And, where can I find the "official" reported game results as determined in calculating the PR? i.e. for all teams? Let me take a shot at this...I am not sure what you mean by "overt inclusion" of the team's winning percentage. I know that you get points for winning that you don't get when you lose, so it has to be factor. I decided to do a statistical analysis. I looked at winning percentage and the power ranking for all of the teams in D-1. It turns out that the data is linear, and the R-squared value is 0.7846. This of course means the data has a correlation of 0.89, which means the data is strongly correlated. (at least that is what a statistician said when I asked her). So maybe this means yes, the ratings do have an overt inclusion of a team's winning percentage. |
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