St. Michael 0 Lutcher 0. District co-champs

[br4soccer]

6pm at Burburk Field 4.  First game at Lutcher was a 1-1 tie. 

[Sleeper]

I will take the home team in this one,.. wish I could get there...post updates during the game

[First Touch]

Any update yet??? Somebody must be there...

[racsoccer]

0-0 final

[First Touch]

I quess no pks for district champ??

[br4soccer]

No Pks, I guess co-Champs. Both teams played hard, possession was about even. Lutcher player did get a red card in 2nd half with maybe 20 minutes left for punching St. Michael player. Again great effort by both teams.

[futbol1234]

Also to mention two Lutcher players received two yellow cards (right after the player received the red card) for flicking the fans off. Lutcher always seems to stay classy

[soccerdad23]

Fans probably deserved it .... Not saying the girls were right.... But I understand !

[First Touch]

Really soccerdad23, classy, seasoned players don't worry about fans, just show lack of class by Lutcher.. Very classless. In fact having played them this season, I heard more f-bombs from twenty rows up than an Eddie Murphy concert in the 80s.. And refs never threw a  card. On way home my kid said that they should have washed their mouths with soap. By way he is 11..

[soccerdad23]

Jan 31, 2015 10:55:59 GMT -6 First Touch said:

Really soccerdad23, classy, seasoned players don't worry about fans, just show lack of class by Lutcher.. Very classless. In fact having played them this season, I heard more f-bombs from twenty rows up than an Eddie Murphy concert in the 80s.. And refs never threw a  card. On way home my kid said that they should have washed their mouths with soap. By way he is 11..

Soooo what you are saying is that you've NEVER been to a game where the fans were acting a fool so much so where they didn't deserve a finger or two??

and I submit that even the most seasoned player can get frustrated during a game.

sports is full of emotion and more often than not the fans can make things worse by with their silly comments.

heck pro players lose their cool with hecklers, you don't think teenage kids will??

and lets talk about this word "class" that's so often thrown around on the board...what exactly does it mean?

so if I get frustrated does that mean I am classless?...especially during the run of play...now if after the game I show poor sportsmanship, then I can buy that...but when you are playing in between the line...how am I supposed to show "class"?....my opponent is the enemy!  Ill show "class" after the match...

Now as far as the match you all were at...I wasn't there...I just know all the games I've been to where the players became frustrated and belligerent...9 out of 10 times it all started with the way the parents were acting and what they were encouraging.... so yes REALLY!

[futbol1234]

Jan 31, 2015 13:21:05 GMT -6 soccerdad23 said:

Jan 31, 2015 10:55:59 GMT -6 First Touch said:

Really soccerdad23, classy, seasoned players don't worry about fans, just show lack of class by Lutcher.. Very classless. In fact having played them this season, I heard more f-bombs from twenty rows up than an Eddie Murphy concert in the 80s.. And refs never threw a  card. On way home my kid said that they should have washed their mouths with soap. By way he is 11..

Soooo what you are saying is that you've NEVER been to a game where the fans were acting a fool so much so where they didn't deserve a finger or two??

and I submit that even the most seasoned player can get frustrated during a game.

sports is full of emotion and more often than not the fans can make things worse by with their silly comments.

heck pro players lose their cool with hecklers, you don't think teenage kids will??

and lets talk about this word "class" that's so often thrown around on the board.what exactly does it mean?

so if I get frustrated does that mean I am classless?.especially during the run of play.now if after the game I show poor sportsmanship, then I can buy that.but when you are playing in between the line.how am I supposed to show "class"?..my opponent is the enemy!  Ill show "class" after the match.

Now as far as the match you all were at.I wasn't there.I just know all the games I've been to where the players became frustrated and belligerent.9 out of 10 times it all started with the way the parents were acting and what they were encouraging.. so yes REALLY!

The birdie was given in response to the fans cheering that the Lutcher player was thrown out for punching one of the Warrior players. In this case, the fans were not acting a fool and the birdie was uncalled for. 

[soccerdad23]

Then I stand corrected! :-)

[littlebit]

Soooo the Lutcher player that was red carded for PUNCHING a St. Michael player didn't have anything to do with fans reaction and the fans deserved the double assault (triple if you include the initial PUNCHING). "9 out of 10 times it all started with the way the parents were acting..." I guess this was the 10th time... :-)

[lutcherfan]

Jan 31, 2015 4:24:02 GMT -6 soccerdad23 said:

Fans probably deserved it .. Not saying the girls were right.. But I understand !

Yes the fans (high school boys) were telling the Lutcher girls many things and they were warned to back away from the sideline by the official, but I agree that the Lutcher girls were not right.

[oldhattrick3]

Always interesting when 1 group starts to call another group "classless" etc during sports. Fact of the matter, is that this is the perfect example for "Let ye who is without fault cast the first stone" - at which point everyone should drop the rocks, turn around , and walk away when it comes to soccer (or substitute any other sport for that matter).

Now, bottom line, for me, is that there is no room for either of the actions that were mentioned in this thread (and I wasn't there so I'm going on what was reported) as an athelete - there is nothing to warrant throwing an all out bunch at another player, and there is nothing that should have an athelete "flip the bird" at spectators at a sporting event. Granted, I am sure there is many things that built up to both incidents occurring and many things that others (the other players, spectators) could have done better to stop the "prevoking" part of the incident.

As a former coach, I believe you should instill the mindset of self control to your players, regardless of athelete to athelete interaction, and/or athelete to spectator interaction. So bottom line there should be internal team reprecussions for the actions of these players regardless of the items that may have "provoked" this situation. As a student athelete they need to realize that it is a previlige and as such they need to understand that there is a level of "role modeling" that goes with that (geez if our pro-atheletes could only live to that as well). A very long time ago, I learned that you can't control anyone else but yourself, so only make the effort on yourself.

Now yes, these are young adults and just like older adults , they will have times where they let the situation get the better of them, however it doesn't mean it justifies the behavior. So bottom line, there has to be consequences to these student atheletes for their actions and the coach should definitely take the lead on issuing that consequence.

The sport of soccer and basketball (to name at least 2) have the difficult nature of allowing spectators to have more "influence / interaction" on the student atheletes just by the nature of some of the arenas they are played on/at. (I.e. the fans get to be right on the front line of the field with very little separating them, and the "volume" of spectators tends to be less which allows each individual spectator to be "more heard" by the student athelete.

Many times I have heard people mention that the spectators in soccer cause more problems because the majority of them do not understand the "rules of the game". However, I have a slightly different opinion, because I think you can see a lot of that same thing at sporting events where the fans supposedily understand the "rules of the game" they are watching (i.e football, basketball, baseball). Hey at least baseball typically always has a chain link fence between the spectators and the student atheletes (LOL). When you compare to football, a lot of the same "provoking" is going on, however it gets diluted because of the distance and the magnitude more of spectators that typically attend (but it still goes on).

The reality of it is as long as there are competition sporting events there will be:

> atheletes who have moments of losing their control and doing something deserving consequences
> spectators who take the game to the "wrong" level by provoking players of the opposing team, or fans of the opposing team deserving consequences
> parents/adults, who should absolutely know better, who will go to that level of provoking players, coaches, officials, and other spectators who feel they have the "right" to do what they do and will justify their behavior to their death, despite how "wrong" it is.

As a coach, there is only 1 clear thing you have control of, and that is the atheletes on your team - if you teach the point of self control on the field - then players learn from the start that those moments of losing control come with a consequence. Those consequences should be distributed equally to every member of the team (no special treatment for your so called "star" player). Losing your cool as an athelete can happen, but when it does an athelete needs to show remorse by accepting the conseqences - and those that surround that player (parents, fans, fellow players) should support that remorse rather than support the long list of "excuses (or as they would say reasons)" for a particular reaction.



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The game was hyped beforehand and I think it determined district champ. So there was a lot of emotion to begin with. My question: Is this typical for Lutcher girls? Hasn't their coach been there a while? Year after year if the same coach has teams that exhibit the same behavior from different people - then it's pretty clear where the problem is. I have no knowledge of this particular team in this case, but I'd love to hear from the people who do.

[stlfan]

Jan 31, 2015 10:55:59 GMT -6 First Touch said:

Really soccerdad23, classy, seasoned players don't worry about fans, just show lack of class by Lutcher.. Very classless. In fact having played them this season, I heard more f-bombs from twenty rows up than an Eddie Murphy concert in the 80s.. And refs never threw a  card. On way home my kid said that they should have washed their mouths with soap. By way he is 11..

More "F-bombs...than an Eddie Murphy concert..."?  Man, that's a lot. But was it as many as the Joe Pesci character dropped in the movie "Goodfellas"?

[dme1214]

Jan 31, 2015 15:36:33 GMT -6 oldhattrick3 said:

Always interesting when 1 group starts to call another group "classless" etc during sports. Fact of the matter, is that this is the perfect example for "Let ye who is without fault cast the first stone" - at which point everyone should drop the rocks, turn around , and walk away when it comes to soccer (or substitute any other sport for that matter).

Now, bottom line, for me, is that there is no room for either of the actions that were mentioned in this thread (and I wasn't there so I'm going on what was reported) as an athelete - there is nothing to warrant throwing an all out bunch at another player, and there is nothing that should have an athelete "flip the bird" at spectators at a sporting event. Granted, I am sure there is many things that built up to both incidents occurring and many things that others (the other players, spectators) could have done better to stop the "prevoking" part of the incident.

As a former coach, I believe you should instill the mindset of self control to your players, regardless of athelete to athelete interaction, and/or athelete to spectator interaction. So bottom line there should be internal team reprecussions for the actions of these players regardless of the items that may have "provoked" this situation. As a student athelete they need to realize that it is a previlige and as such they need to understand that there is a level of "role modeling" that goes with that (geez if our pro-atheletes could only live to that as well). A very long time ago, I learned that you can't control anyone else but yourself, so only make the effort on yourself.

Now yes, these are young adults and just like older adults , they will have times where they let the situation get the better of them, however it doesn't mean it justifies the behavior. So bottom line, there has to be consequences to these student atheletes for their actions and the coach should definitely take the lead on issuing that consequence.

The sport of soccer and basketball (to name at least 2) have the difficult nature of allowing spectators to have more "influence / interaction" on the student atheletes just by the nature of some of the arenas they are played on/at. (I.e. the fans get to be right on the front line of the field with very little separating them, and the "volume" of spectators tends to be less which allows each individual spectator to be "more heard" by the student athelete.

Many times I have heard people mention that the spectators in soccer cause more problems because the majority of them do not understand the "rules of the game". However, I have a slightly different opinion, because I think you can see a lot of that same thing at sporting events where the fans supposedily understand the "rules of the game" they are watching (i.e football, basketball, baseball). Hey at least baseball typically always has a chain link fence between the spectators and the student atheletes (LOL). When you compare to football, a lot of the same "provoking" is going on, however it gets diluted because of the distance and the magnitude more of spectators that typically attend (but it still goes on).

The reality of it is as long as there are competition sporting events there will be:

> atheletes who have moments of losing their control and doing something deserving consequences
> spectators who take the game to the "wrong" level by provoking players of the opposing team, or fans of the opposing team deserving consequences
> parents/adults, who should absolutely know better, who will go to that level of provoking players, coaches, officials, and other spectators who feel they have the "right" to do what they do and will justify their behavior to their death, despite how "wrong" it is.

As a coach, there is only 1 clear thing you have control of, and that is the atheletes on your team - if you teach the point of self control on the field - then players learn from the start that those moments of losing control come with a consequence. Those consequences should be distributed equally to every member of the team (no special treatment for your so called "star" player). Losing your cool as an athelete can happen, but when it does an athelete needs to show remorse by accepting the conseqences - and those that surround that player (parents, fans, fellow players) should support that remorse rather than support the long list of "excuses (or as they would say reasons)" for a particular reaction.



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I couldn't agree more, this reminds me of a situation that happened a couple years ago on our club team, when we were playing in the Plano premier league. An opposing player basically body slammed one of our players, now our player was about to "lose control" when our coach stepped in and stopped her.
The original girl was given a yellow card, when clearly a red was deserved, (its really rough in Dallas) Well the opposing coach was as mad about his players actions as we were, so he told our coach he was treating it like a red card, he sent the player home, played a player down and benched the girl for their next game!!

Now that was CLASS

[First Touch]

Does at michael always play at Burbank, I would recommend a stadium for high school soccer next time

[warrior16]

Feb 1, 2015 17:21:37 GMT -6 First Touch said:

Does at michael always play at Burbank, I would recommend a stadium for high school soccer next time

We don't have a football or soccer stadium at St. Michael. We play almost all soccer home games at Burbank and all football home games at the LA Leadership Institute in North BR.

Occasionally we will host a home soccer match on the practice football field, but not very often. There are plans to possibly construct a football stadium in the future, but it's difficult to get an agreement with the homeowners association about putting up lights and the fact that the St. Michael campus is located on drained wetlands makes construction difficult.

It's my dream that we'll have our own field in the next ten years, but I don't think it's too high on the school's priority list.