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Post by chelsea007 on Feb 22, 2015 17:32:28 GMT -6
If I remember correctly, the Jesuit starting eleven in 2002-03 was from 6 different parishes (including St. Tammany). That is pretty large geographic footprint. BTW, I would consider those players from outside of Orleans Parish top shelf talent at the time. It was a very good Jesuit squad.
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Post by rlb2024 on Feb 22, 2015 17:56:24 GMT -6
I know of at least four Jesuit players this year that play significant minutes (and may be starters -- I haven't seen them play in person yet this season) from outside of Orleans Parish -- two from St. Tammany and two from Jefferson. Jesuit has around 80 to 90 students from St. Tammany Parish alone.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 22, 2015 20:59:02 GMT -6
Great post, kevin.
I think all your points are reasons why Jesuit is always near the top. But why Jesuit seems to do so well in close games in the quarters, semis, and finals, I think these are the major factors:
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Post by blueagle on Feb 24, 2015 10:18:52 GMT -6
In my experience it all starts with the type of students that attend Jesuit. These kids since childhood have had some of the best parenting around. I know because I have personally met some throughout the years. Not just this one class. So the proper rearing and support from the parents has a lot to do with the type of individual you are. Most of these kids have always played organized soccer. They have been the cream of the crop in there club teams . The support from the parents is a big factor. Those who have made those long trips to various tournaments know exactly what I'm talking about. And those who haven't played organized soccer have the luxury to play along side the ones who have and do and learn from them So hats off to the club coaches for they are the ones who have taught these kids from the basics to how to compete. By the time Hubie gets these kids is like winning the lottery. No disrespect to Hubie. So it's a combination of Good parenting and good club coaching. If the Grace King kids had the parenting the Jesuit kids had they would be the topic of this discussion. .but in the end if they had the proper parenting they would become Jesuit kids or Brother Martins.. lol.
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Post by chelsea007 on Feb 24, 2015 14:04:20 GMT -6
No offense blue eagle, but to single out Grace King is uncalled for. They very well may have wonderful parents unless you definitively have met all of them and can honestly state otherwise. We played Grace King twice this season and had no issues. A lot of what you say may be true concerning Jesuit (other than to downplay Hubie's influence), but to disparage the parents of the students of Grace King seems over the top and a bit personal. In short, I am sure Jesuit has a lot going for it, but I am also sure the young men at Grace King feel the same way.
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Post by vistajay on Feb 24, 2015 14:25:46 GMT -6
Don't forget that Coach Hubie has a big hand in shaping many of the Jesuit players before they step foot on Jesuit's campus, and during their high school years as well, through his DOC involvement at LA Fire's City Park campus.
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Post by The Irish Fro on Feb 24, 2015 14:42:43 GMT -6
Earlier in the season, after a series of losses to Mississippi teams I had written off this year's Jesuit team. But once again, for the 21st time in the program's 40 year soccer history, is back in the championship game. Coaching and talent are obviously significant in this equation, but other programs have equally great coaching and players in a given year. It seems to me something more -- those intangible things. Jesuit represents to me the best about high school soccer. They seem to compete with great honor, discipline, and a real notion of team. No one tries to stand out with an exotic haircut. I've never seen a Jesuit player taunt the other team. They quietly go about their way to extend their own program's tradition. Winning with class seems to be a duty of joy for the program and they find a way to win against all odds. Although this year's St Paul's team is arguably one of the most talented in Louisiana high school history, the ingrained attitude at Jesuit makes it hard for me to predict a St. Paul's victory. Why do do you think Jesuit has succeeded for so long? How much did Jesuit pay you to make this advertisement for them?
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 24, 2015 16:41:10 GMT -6
I have never seen them play but the respect may also come from the fact that there are probably more that want to play than are on the team. Act right and try your best or someone will replace you.
It is hard to instill that at a school where you barely have enough to play and even fewer truly talented players.
As far as the parenting comment, I'm sure they are good but I wouldn't necessarily say that's the reason. Also to insinuate that parents that may lack the funds to send their kids to a private school are inferior is wrong and quite honestly shows a lack of class which some attribute to parenting.
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Post by ihatesoccer on Feb 24, 2015 18:08:33 GMT -6
In my experience it all starts with the type of students that attend Jesuit. These kids since childhood have had some of the best parenting around. I know because I have personally met some throughout the years. Not just this one class. So the proper rearing and support from the parents has a lot to do with the type of individual you are. Most of these kids have always played organized soccer. They have been the cream of the crop in there club teams . The support from the parents is a big factor. Those who have made those long trips to various tournaments know exactly what I'm talking about. And those who haven't played organized soccer have the luxury to play along side the ones who have and do and learn from them So hats off to the club coaches for they are the ones who have taught these kids from the basics to how to compete. By the time Hubie gets these kids is like winning the lottery. No disrespect to Hubie. So it's a combination of Good parenting and good club coaching. If the Grace King kids had the parenting the Jesuit kids had they would be the topic of this discussion. .but in the end if they had the proper parenting they would become Jesuit kids or Brother Martins.. lol. I'm just praying that this ignorant commet was made by a student and not an adult.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 24, 2015 18:12:53 GMT -6
We can only hope.... although if it is a kid, this comment refutes what they are saying about their parents.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 18:15:14 GMT -6
Look. It's really simple. Jesuit attracts a larger percentage of the best soccer players in the area. And yes, it's a good school.
Nothing in the water. No magic potion. Simply a matter of numbers and demographics.
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Post by loJic on Feb 24, 2015 20:26:29 GMT -6
Why is that an ignorant comment?
Look we can tip toe around saying that Jesuit gets the better players because of their parental support. But it's true.
You can call me ignorant all you want but pay to play will always allow above average household income families to dominate the game. Above average household income will always send their kids to private schools.
Its a fact
Edit: I know I'm an admin and should rise above this sort of comment, but seriously some people live in a bubble. I get that these kids' parents worked very hard to make sure their kids get the best education. Trust me I'm working my tail off to put my daughter in to country day through high school. But to think Jesuit doesn't have a HUGE advantage over majority of the schools is just comical. I'd be interested to see a coach like Hubie at Bonnabel or Landry-Walker.
No disrespect to any parents, schools, coaches or clubs. It's a touchy subject for me. If you want to chew me out send me a pm.
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Post by blueagle on Feb 24, 2015 20:54:49 GMT -6
My apologies. Maybe my choice of words were off target Regarding the parenting pertaining to the Grace Kings kidS. I didn't point out all the factors. Yes I do know most of the parents of these kids. I stand corrected. what I meant in regards to parenting is the financial support these parents can provide. Heck a single mom does her best to rear her child to the best of her ability. But unfortunately the means to send them to a private school is beyond their means. I know for a fact if these parents had the financial means to send their kids to a jesuit Brother Martin etc.. they would. As for Hubie yes he is a vital part but to say that he has a part on molding these kids is an Overstatement. These young men have had the influence of their parents family church community way before they reach him. That's credit to their parents.
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Post by blueagle on Feb 24, 2015 21:18:15 GMT -6
We can only hope.. although if it is a kid, this comment refutes what they are saying about their parents. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using proboards Ignorant because I recognize the tremendous influence the Jesuit parents have on their children? These parents sacrifice time and effort to make sure they meet the standards of being a Bluejay. i wish my parents had sent me to Jesuit. My comment is to give credit to the parents in partaking in Jesuits success. Reverse the roll and ask a Jesuit parent if they would send their kid to a public school.. they would probably say you are crazy.
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Post by let lil esay walk on Feb 24, 2015 21:21:14 GMT -6
Pay to play (club) will always feed those schools that are surrounded by a public system that is weak (Nola). Also, schools like that also have a very large supporting cast. Parents, assistant coaches, school funding, etc. Be interested to see the number of comp 1 players on Jesuit, bro Martin and Newman compared to JP and Orleans public schools. Franklin is an exception. I work at Teurlings (second year) and was amazed at the overall support by students, staff, and parents as opposed to public (which my kid attends). I never did understand why a school with 1,800 kids only manages to get 20 of them in the stands even with offering FREE admission ! But they only get that for big games like STM and BC. Same for those two schools. The kids come out for the rivalry games and playoffs.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 24, 2015 21:29:17 GMT -6
My comment was about the derogatory comment made about other parents who either can not afford Jesuit or choose not to send their kids there specifically Grace King parents. I thought it was judgmental and just mean. I didn't call it ignorant.
And logic- it was the if Grace King crack.... maybe he meant if they had the resources but it came off as if they were good parents.
Yes- I'm sure parental resources and involvement play a part in their success. I didn't mean that. What I meant was having a parent with resources doesn't guarantee a kid will be respectful and work hard. We all know examples where the parents resources was actually a detriment to the kid's work ethic.
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Post by methuselah on Feb 24, 2015 21:41:56 GMT -6
Why is that an ignorant comment? Look we can tip toe around saying that Jesuit gets the better players because of their parental support. But it's true. You can call me ignorant all you want but pay to play will always allow above average household income families to dominate the game. Above average household income will always send their kids to private schools. Its a fact Edit: I know I'm an admin and should rise above this sort of comment, but seriously some people live in a bubble. I get that these kids' parents worked very hard to make sure their kids get the best education. Trust me I'm working my tail off to put my daughter in to country day through high school. But to think Jesuit doesn't have a HUGE advantage over majority of the schools is just comical. I'd be interested to see a coach like Hubie at Bonnabel or Landry-Walker. No disrespect to any parents, schools, coaches or clubs. It's a touchy subject for me. If you want to chew me out send me a pm. I think the things people were taking issue with were phrases blueagle used like "best parenting around", "proper rearing and support" and "proper parenting". It's one thing to say that people with more money have an inherent advantage under the current "pay to play" system. It's another think entirely to say that because they do they are somehow better or "best" or perform more "proper" parenting and rearing. To me one of the things that has made America great in so many areas is that people without a lot of money can raise their kids to do great things (or in some fields young adults can pull themselves up to great heights). It increases the pool of talent and unlocks potential that would go wasting in other systems. To the extent that youth soccer in Louisiana may be, in some ways, skewed to exclude a large segment of the population from standing out might just mean that the system is not perfect yet and can still improve.
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Post by HCSsoccer on Feb 24, 2015 22:58:12 GMT -6
Former Hall of Fame catcher Yogi Berra became manager of the Yankees for a short time in the 80's.
A reporter asked him what does it take to be a good major league manager.
His response was " good players".
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Post by warrior16 on Feb 25, 2015 1:06:42 GMT -6
Former Hall of Fame catcher Yogi Berra became manager of the Yankees for a short time in the 80's. A reporter asked him what does it take to be a good major league manager. His response was " good players". That's definitely part of it.
There are lot of really good coaches in this state, but I don't think any of them could turn a freshman class of boys who had never played soccer into title contenders by their senior year. Good? Sure. Title contenders? No.
To compete for titles you need a core group of experienced guys who have been playing all their lives that you can build the rest of the team around. Jesuit and St. Paul's have the luxury of being able to have an entire program with such boys.
Each year I see 20-30 kids just trying out for Catholic's freshmen team, much less the JV or Varsity. Chances are you won't even make the Varsity at Catholic until your junior year unless you're an exceptional player. Jesuit and St. Paul's are the same way.
I can see more public schools like Denham Springs having excellent programs in the future and Coach Thorne has done a great job at revamping that program in the past few years. Denham Springs is a rural area, but most people forget that the high school is one of the largest in the state (wanna say it's top 5 in terms of enrollment) and with little competition I can see it becoming the largest if they choose to keep expanding. The athletic teams are also very well-funded by alumni and Livingston Parish, rivaling any of the rich BR area private schools in that regard. The Livingston Parish club soccer system is growing very rapidly and Denham Springs is really reaping the benefits of it, and they also get some good BRSC players. I don't see their program diminishing anytime soon, and I wouldn't be surprised if they end up winning the BR super district next year with Catholic rebuilding a bit.
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Post by playwide on Feb 25, 2015 10:00:59 GMT -6
It's not all about wealth...by and large there are other schools in the New Orleans area that have an equal or greater concentration of wealthy parents than Jesuit. Country Day and Newman tuition fees are far greater than Jesuit.
If it was all about the wealth and lifestyle of the parents, Country Day would be a more frequent soccer power. But the element they are missing is the biggest of all.Club Players. Why? I couldn't tell you - just the way it is in the current cycle. Lusher boys team (public charter) has more club players than Country Day.
We shouldn't over-think this or put Jesuit parents/players on some higher level than the other schools who are producing talented players and Ivy League students. They have great academics at Jesuit, like Franklin, like others.Franklin has multiple female players who have committed to or been offered spots at the Naval Academy, Yale, Penn, Harvard.
This issue is simply about a high concentration of club players, a supportive admin, tradition, and a good coach.
Don't make it an issue about class or money..it's about year round elite players and sport specialization - many of whom stretch to make the money part work for school and club fees.
At the end of the day, players got to play to make it successful.
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