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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 5, 2015 21:59:49 GMT -6
All admirable and noteworthy achievements.
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Post by alto1smom on Mar 5, 2015 22:01:35 GMT -6
Let me try this post again to see if it makes it on the board for longer than 3 minutes.
I started with an apology if anyone is uncomfortable with point #3, but here goes.
1. BF girls, remember if you were a NOBODY, Nobody would talk about you. When you have grown men, coaches and professional adults consumed with dragging you down you are SOMEBODY! Ask Jordan, he dealt with it-continue to be the Jordans of soccer.
2. This will be another set of posts I print for my kid to put her her wall to remind her most people will tear down any success you achieve--grow from it.
3. BF girls will NEVER get the respect they deserve until years from now. Remember girls you a females from the Southern state of Louisiana, led in score by and African American female--you will NEVER get credit. You are cursed three times. At a game a coach who I actually like a great deal approached me to ask who the MVP of the game was indicating it wouldn't be my kid. This coach along with many others can't help themselves, they just can't give full credit for certain people's accomplishments. Trust me, my kid knows if all things are equal she will not be recognized that she must do three times better or she will fall short and in a strange way has become better for it. No expectations but hard work and commitment is what will win out in the long run and excuses are not acceptable!
4. This thread was started by a moderator and I am assuming a coach, what a great message to send at the end of the season when everyone should be celebrating and rebuilding for next year. Instead, let us try to find one more thing to try to yank away from young girls because you can't be that good! The LHSAA recognizes the team as undefeated and no matter how many people want to strip you girls of that--they CAN'T, but how entertaining it is for so many to hate on you--that really does make you special. You girls will be historical if this rhetoric continues.
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Post by counterattack on Mar 5, 2015 22:02:58 GMT -6
I don't think disingenuous is the right word. No one has tried to be dishonest or keep a secret. If someone didn't know that out of state games were being considered, especially when there's no LHSAA record of the game, and therefore people honestly thought the game was meaningless and the media might not have even known about the game at all..I think it's at least understandable that someone thought a 63-game unbeaten streak was alive. Even still, it's not far from the truth: 63 games unbeaten in Louisiana. Honestly it's probably a good thing the thread was created so that the circumstances are fully known to all, and people can make their own judgments over what BF's run has meant. Like I said, no one is keeping secrets.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 5, 2015 22:04:09 GMT -6
Alto mom, I just checked the admin log and none of your posts were deleted by staff.
I am not a coach. No school with which I have ever been associated currently has a boys or girls high school soccer team in Louisiana. I'm not sure why you think I have an axe to grind with Ben Franklin. I'm all for preserving and recording with integrity Louisiana high school soccer. I like to think that's my only motive.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 22:16:06 GMT -6
The You should Know what the record is. You should know what counts and what doesn't You should know better than any of us. Do you think the LHSAA record keepers are wrong? are YOU the LHSAA record keeper? this has been discussed before a long time ago about those Mississippi games....conclusion was those games did not count, were the same as an exhibition friendly or scrimmage. so whats the problem? YOU think that's inaccurate?
don't you find it interesting that no one is really coming to your defense on this board? you're just kinda.....blowing in the wind! :-)
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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 5, 2015 22:18:15 GMT -6
How many soccer records has the LHSAA recorded in the sport's nearly 50 year history at the high school level? Do you think anyone at the LHSAA has a record list? My only defense are my actions and words. What else is needed?
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 22:18:44 GMT -6
and don't worry about alto1smom.........she's PARANOID!!!
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 22:21:32 GMT -6
I have no clue! I do know what's been told to us about the Mississippi games though. also by coaches on this very board who has no reason at all to side with BF. So again are YOU the official record keeper of LHSAA records? or did you appoint yourself and you just making this up as you go along?
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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 5, 2015 22:26:08 GMT -6
Interstate games that occur after the regular season are regular season games. They are not scrimmages. This has long been the accepted practice in Louisiana high school soccer. This year, because the LHSAA instituted power ratings for playoff seeding, those games are not counted in the record for seeding purposes. The reason being that it would be impossible to gauge other state teams. that does not change the fact that the game occurred during the regular season however.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 22:31:14 GMT -6
you really didn't answer ANY of my questions But then again maybe you did! :-)
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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 5, 2015 22:36:04 GMT -6
In 10 years when a program goes on a 60 game unbeaten streak in Louisiana who do you think will remind that team's boisterous parents of Northshore and this Ben Franklin team?
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 5, 2015 22:42:28 GMT -6
ummmmm......YOU?
HEY look...its been fun....you win BF is garbage. now even though I don't have a job.....I do need to get some sleep. Good Night!
ps in all seriousness thanks for what you do for girls and boys soccer!
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Post by Scott Crawford on Mar 5, 2015 22:45:20 GMT -6
Thanks for your passion and posts. I am grateful to have gotten to see this Franklin team play. Without question one of the best girls teams in Louisiana history.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Mar 6, 2015 11:50:38 GMT -6
Interstate games that occur after the regular season are regular season games. They are not scrimmages. This has long been the accepted practice in Louisiana high school soccer. This year, because the LHSAA instituted power ratings for playoff seeding, those games are not counted in the record for seeding purposes. The reason being that it would be impossible to gauge other state teams. that does not change the fact that the game occurred during the regular season however. I have a daughter that has been playing HS Soccer for four years so that is all I have to go on but you do realize that interstate games have not been counted by LHSAA during that whole time right? Not just this season.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Mar 6, 2015 14:10:58 GMT -6
Not on anyone's side here, but records are kept by NSCAA and they do count out of state games for their rankings and records. Look at St Pauls record in their poll. It's these very out of state games that will make them the top ranked team in winter soccer national rankings. Since we, Beau Chene boys, tied a state record this year for shutouts in a season, I had to deal with the NSCAA for it to go into the record book. I am a member of NSCAA which makes it essier, but this would be a question answered by them on if that game counted and I have a feeling it would count toward the record of consecutive wins. Please don't shoot the messenger. Scott explained why out of state games don't count for Lhsaa official record of report for power ratings. And before in the old coaches seeding system. But for records, that are kept in a national association, they do.
This is by no means any attempt to dishonor or hurt or tske away from the amazing team and squad achievements and Individual achievements by all of the Ben a Franklin girls. They are scary good and one of, if not the best, girls soccer teams I have ever seen. Especially this year being full health for first time during that 3 year run. And Mr and Mrs Thomas, while I'm sure your daughter has still seen some of that good ole boy stuff in this state (we have seen some very hateful and racist stuff for my many amazing minority starters this year), just know it's all ignorance and jealousy! Your daughter is an incredible player and deserved every single award she has been granted! More imoressed every time I see her play! As well as the rest of that squad of amazing players! Not going to sit here and name each one, but they all are getting scholarships and the awards they deserve both in team and individual accolades. Good luck to all these young ladies in the future and what an amazing run it has been for you all! And who says its its even over! You'd be surprised what those who sit and learn behind such talent pick up and can do when given their chance. It's called reloading! Good luck to you all. Like I said. Not trying to butt in, but just relaying my interpretation and experience in dealing with a record.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 6, 2015 14:54:02 GMT -6
hi coach.....good info! I went to the NSCAA site but cant find any Louisiana High School teams in the rankings. where do I look?? what region are we in?
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 6, 2015 14:56:33 GMT -6
never mind found it!
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Post by Antimatter on Mar 6, 2015 20:39:00 GMT -6
I could give a rat's rear end about the record. It really does not mean that much because we are talking about different teams in different eras. You could make the argument that Northshore had a longer streak if you include the out of state games or that Franklin played in a more competitive time frame but the truth is there is no way ANYONE could know who is truly better. I think even trying to quantify these records is a benighted exercise.
I LOATHE GOAT(Greatest Of All Time) arguments because people take it too personally. How many NFL quarterbacks have passed Joe Montana in career yardage? But does it mean anything with the guys now racking up yards due to changes in the rules? Is Jack better than Tiger because he had more majors or is Tiger better because there are a hundred guys every week who can truly compete for the win rather than a handful. It's fun to discuss with a beverage but starts to sound silly when people take it personally.
I was not following soccer when Northshore had their streak but they sound like a hell of a team. I have watched Franklin and it is hard to believe there was a more dominant team but I have no real way of knowing. They are both GREAT teams and that is OK that it cannot be settled who was better.
I also noted an earlier post about Franklin not getting respect due to being a Louisiana team led by an African-American player and that just seems odd to me. With the number of teams that marked her each game(And she still found the back of the net) and the number of articles I read about her it is hard to believe she was not getting respect from folks who know soccer. If that were true that she was not getting respect due to being an African American player in Louisiana then would it not be even more bizarre for her to accept a scholarship to a school in LOUISIANA? I am not saying that there are not fools in Louisiana that have not moved on to the 21st century but the post in question was a generalization about soccer fans here.
Additionally, the same poster complained about the start of this thread. When Scott Crawford first posted he was merely wondering if others thought Franklin would pass Northshore. Only someone with a chip on their shoulder would have thought it anti-Ben Franklin. The post was edited later to note that some had pointed out the Mississippi game.
I will also note that the NSCAA site is so precise that it has "Isadore Neummann" as having the most state championships in Louisiana. Is that an old school that closed?
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Post by soccerdad23 on Mar 7, 2015 9:40:47 GMT -6
let me go "on the record" for a second! "I" am probably the only one from BF that posts on here concerning BF on a regular basis!(and maybe Counterattack who im not sure of)
However, The only thing we've ever made claim to was the FACT that BF has not been beaten In the state of La by a La team in 63 games......THATS IT!
No one including me has NEVER said BF is dominating teams...Heck not just Loyola but STM, Dominican, SSA EDW heck East Jefferson an up and coming program gave BF fits and that's just to name a few. So no one other than some casual fans may have spoke of any dominance.
We have not EVER tried to compare BF to ANY other team of the past present or future. When I spoke of Northshore earlier in this thread it was in terms of Northshore and how would they fare in todays game...other than in jest when I said BF "today" would route Northshore team as they exist "TODAY" and what ever age they are NOW.
No one has EVER talked about BF in terms of National rankings or records. Heck in maxpreps SSA MCA and Loyola are all ranked in the national rankings and BF is NO WHERE to be found.
ALL we've made claim to is being unbeaten in La for 63 straight games. NO ONE from BF has EVER said we even have a snoballs chance in the Desert of even breaking the Northshore record.... most think that record will be safe and sound for Northshore. Until reading about that feat of Northshore on here most from BF probably didn't even know about the record.
How this thread has evolved to Legendary Big Foot status I'll never know! BF during the 63 game unbeaten streak has been in numerous situations where they could have and maybe even should have lost..None of the State Titles were decided in a blow out or in absolute dominant fashion.. Vandy 2-0...STM 2-0...and Loyola 3-2....Nothing dominant about those scores.
BF has some talented players and pretty good role players..but they can absolutely be beaten on "any given day"
JUST FOR THE RECORD! :-)
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Post by counterattack on Mar 7, 2015 12:24:02 GMT -6
onthefly,
You do know that the players know of these threads and read them, right? One minute they click on a thread created about their accomplishments, and the next they are seeing comments that they:
a) don't have enough wins over DI teams in the last few years, and may not have been so successful in DI
b) had schedules filled with easy games
c) didn't "dominate" the state final enough in their 3-2 win against a fantastic undefeated Loyola team, almost insinuating they were barely fortunate enough to win at all
d) aren't as dominant/good as a previous BF team (which, by the way, you have absolutely no evidence for, except comparing scores in state finals, knowing nothing about that '02 team's season, players, or quality of opponent in the final)
I mean come on. Give it up already.
We get it, you are a fan of one of the big boys in Div. I and aren't willing to concede that the best team with the best players recently *might* have been in DII. Or maybe it's SSA the DI champ, who knows.
I don't understand why you can't just compliment the Ben Franklin team and leave it at that, like the nice genuine comments by Beauchenecoach and myarsenal among others. It was nice when you simply congratulated Ben Franklin in a previous post, wishing them luck extending their run next season. That would've sufficed.
Even if you don't believe they're as good as other people do, why say it here for the BF team and players to read, trying to play down their accomplishments and portray them as less "dominant"?
No one is saying there aren't other great teams and players in Louisiana right now, or that there haven't been other dominant teams in the past. For example, even this year, everyone knows how impressive SSA's season was in addition to Ben Franklin.
Let me guess, now you're going to go back and delete a couple of your posts and make people's reactions to them look strange?
For a thread originally created as something positive, it has featured far too much negativity and argument, which is an unfortunate distraction for these girls who have accomplished a LOT on the field in the last 3 years.
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