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Post by neverplayed on Mar 1, 2015 16:25:17 GMT -6
Nah just honest.
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Post by barracuda on Mar 1, 2015 16:32:05 GMT -6
want honesty? aside from all the money, soccer is soccer, its still 11v11, the boys at private schools bust their butt day in and day out year after year whether it be club, high school or odp. So if your're mad because a significant one of your's isnt at that level, try working hard and stop whining about circumstances. "Results overweight Reasons" hard work always pays off
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Post by warrior16 on Mar 1, 2015 16:36:16 GMT -6
want honesty? aside from all the money, soccer is soccer, its still 11v11, the boys at private schools bust their butt day in and day out year after year whether it be club, high school or odp. So if your're mad because a significant one of your's isnt at that level, try working hard and stop whining about circumstances. "Results overweight Reasons" hard work always pays off Just curious. How often do St. Paul's practice as a team during the summer? A couple times a week, or every weekday? I would imagine most of the hard work as a team is done before the high school season even begins.
Champions work hard.
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Post by possessioniskey on Mar 1, 2015 16:51:47 GMT -6
Judging by never played's comments he is most likely a fan or player on the northshore. I think there is something to be said for the fact that many SPS players simply chose sps over mandeville, lakeshore, northhlake, and FHS. They toured the schools, invested time (not money as you think) and looked into the soccer program and decided on going to sps. Also saying best team money can buy is just ignorant. 2 years sps was a sophomore led team and made it to the state finals and lost, this was after beating a much superior team in the semi finals (I believe it was Lafayette or acadiana) whom was the number one seed. Clearly that year they didn't have the best talent that money could buy as you so generously eluded to earlier in your blasphemous comments, they just want it more, and are well coached so unless you can see that their hard work earned these past two state titles, I frankly feel sorry and embarrassed for you and the school you represent for creating such allegations against talented hardworking schools like Jesuit and sps
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Post by neverplayed on Mar 1, 2015 17:11:44 GMT -6
Guess I touched a nerve. Saint pauls players absolutely work hard and are extremely talented soccer players no one is disputing that. I just think they start with an advantage you don't have to agree. the question is what came first premier and hard working soccer players choosing the school or the school creating the players. The public schools simply do not have the luxury of the school being chosen unlesss the student lives in their district. Not bitter and don't really care just my humble opinion
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Post by agsurfer on Mar 1, 2015 22:28:48 GMT -6
neverplayed, here's a question, how many private and public schools made it to the semi finals in DI this year? Rhetorically speaking, I'll presume you know it was 2 each. Thus, are you denigrating the accomplishments of these two schools (Acadiana and Mandeville) or are you saying they had no chance of winning against their private school opponents? Either one is disgusting. Both of those teams had top level club players, but fell short in their quest to win a state championship, but not because money was paid or boundary lines had been drawn. It was because Acadiana blew a 3 goal lead with less than 20 minutes left in the game and SPS had the best "TEAM" this year. Much of the time in high school soccer, it is the coaches who can best manage/position his players that creates the conditions for winning. Your first response belongs on the "what makes Jesuit so good" thread.
This season public schools beat private schools and private schools beat public schools. The same thing happened last year and the year before that and so on. Thus your premise is without merit, as public schools have won titles in the past and will win them in the future. To focus only on the "now" discounts the efforts made by all public school players and coaches, and suggests they should concede any game scheduled against a private school. I say balderdash! Please stop with the uninformed pessimism.
Finally, if you "don't really care," then why did you feel the need to type a comment at all. The topic of this thread is about this SPS team compared to the "winning" teams from the past. So your assertion about boundary lines and money is irrelevant. It would be best to try and stay on topic or not comment on something you have no interest in.
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Post by keepingthefire on Mar 1, 2015 23:51:00 GMT -6
want honesty? aside from all the money, soccer is soccer, its still 11v11, the boys at private schools bust their butt day in and day out year after year whether it be club, high school or odp. So if your're mad because a significant one of your's isnt at that level, try working hard and stop whining about circumstances. "Results overweight Reasons" hard work always pays off Just curious. How often do St. Paul's practice as a team during the summer? A couple times a week, or every weekday? I would imagine most of the hard work as a team is done before the high school season even begins.
Champions work hard.
The answer is they don't....... If they did, they would be even more dominant. While many of them play club soccer, most do not play on the same team and in fact, many play for different clubs.... Mandeville, Slidell, Madisonville, Covington, LA Fire, etc..... If this group of young men had the opportunity to train together year round, as you are suggesting, they wouldn't just be state high school champions, they could easily be one of the top ten club teams in the country........... honestly.
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Post by warrior16 on Mar 1, 2015 23:55:42 GMT -6
Just curious. How often do St. Paul's practice as a team during the summer? A couple times a week, or every weekday? I would imagine most of the hard work as a team is done before the high school season even begins.
Champions work hard.
The answer is they don't... If they did, they would be even more dominant. While many of them play club soccer, most do not play on the same team and in fact, many play for different clubs.. Mandeville, Slidell, Madisonville, Covington, LA Fire, etc... If this group of young men had the opportunity to train together year round, as you are suggesting, they wouldn't just be state high school champions, they could easily be one of the top ten club teams in the country..... honestly. I'm not insinuating anything negative about St. Paul's, in fact just the opposite.
I'm genuinely surprised they don't train during the summer as a team. Are there any restrictions prohibiting that, or do they just not think it's necessary? Obviously if they've won state twice in a row they won't get too much more out of extra training, but it can make a huge difference for teams that don't have year-round club players.
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Post by soccerdad82 on Mar 2, 2015 8:36:08 GMT -6
There have been a few great programs in our state's history. The Warren Easton teams of 1978-84 deserve mention. They captured 5 titles in 7 seasons,falling to De La Salle (82) and Jesuit (84). Slidell soccer brought prominence to the northshore, winning the state final 4 times the the late 80's. Baton Rouge's Catholic then won 3 out of 4 years in 1990-93. Brother Martin won back to back titles in 2000-2001. From 2007 until 2013, Jesuit claimed 5 out of 7 years, losing to St Pauls in 2011. Now St Pauls has won back to back trophies (2014 and 2015).
It is nearly impossible to compare the teams that have played in the preceding decades. The skill level of the players has improved so much and the quality of soccer is much higher than the teams of years ago. The future for soccer is bright for our State of Louisiana. I look forward to many more great teams and expect the quality to continue to improve.
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Post by keepingthefire on Mar 2, 2015 9:08:05 GMT -6
The answer is they don't. If they did, they would be even more dominant. While many of them play club soccer, most do not play on the same team and in fact, many play for different clubs.. Mandeville, Slidell, Madisonville, Covington, LA Fire, etc. If this group of young men had the opportunity to train together year round, as you are suggesting, they wouldn't just be state high school champions, they could easily be one of the top ten club teams in the country... honestly. I'm not insinuating anything negative about St. Paul's, in fact just the opposite.
I'm genuinely surprised they don't train during the summer as a team. Are there any restrictions prohibiting that, or do they just not think it's necessary? Obviously if they've won state twice in a row they won't get too much more out of extra training, but it can make a huge difference for teams that don't have year-round club players.
Understood..... I think LHSAA does have restrictions. Pretty sure high school teams can't touch a ball as a team until some time in late October. Also, restrictions on how many players a high school coach can coach on a club team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 9:13:36 GMT -6
As strictly a neutral observer, I have to say that St. Paul's and Jesuit are the gold standard for what high school soccer should be in La.
Committed, year round "footballers". School/student support for the programs. A winning tradition and quality coaching.
Do they have certain advantages based on geography and school size? Yes.
But that's how it works in most of the country. Which is both good and bad.
That said, you can't fault a player or their parents for wanting the best of both worlds.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 2, 2015 14:04:30 GMT -6
Did St. Paul's play Vandebilt this past year? If so, what was the result?
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Post by rocco on Mar 2, 2015 14:11:45 GMT -6
Did St. Paul's play Vandebilt this past year? If so, what was the result? They did draw 0-0. Not considered a legitimate result in my book. Close to 85-15 possession to St Paul's. Vandebilt often having 10 players in the box, clearing the ball for their lives. All due credit to Vandebilt though, takes a lot to hold the SPS attack for 70 minutes. Just didn't seem like a soccer game to me. It seemed like a checkers match where one is dominating and the opponent won't move his final tier 4 pieces, denying you a king piece.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 2, 2015 14:21:58 GMT -6
From what I saw, Vandy improved throughout the year and when it came to playoff time, played better soccer. Get rid of the speculation and end the divisional system. If relegation/promotion would be real, then we would not be speculating and you couldn't give us your beliefs, but instead rely on empirical facts.
If Vandy drew 0-0, then St. Paul did not prove it was the best team in the state, so how can you say they are the best of all time. Now, I give St. Paul's credit for playing in Division I instead of 2 like they used to.
All I know, that in over 10 years coming to this forum and discussing this topic, nothing has changed and the LHSAA continues to have these issues.
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Post by neverplayed on Mar 2, 2015 14:27:33 GMT -6
Thanks Agsurfer I actually agree with a lot of the points made on the Jesuit post. When I say I don't really care I mean it s just the way it is and it's just a game simply not much to get worked up about. Again I am not suggesting that the kids at St. Paul's did not out play and out work their opponents this year I just see an advantage in being able to draw kids from a wider geographical area. Seems like common sense to be but I guess I am uninformed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 14:45:40 GMT -6
Just curious. How often do St. Paul's practice as a team during the summer? A couple times a week, or every weekday? I would imagine most of the hard work as a team is done before the high school season even begins.
Champions work hard.
The answer is they don't... If they did, they would be even more dominant. While many of them play club soccer, most do not play on the same team and in fact, many play for different clubs.. Mandeville, Slidell, Madisonville, Covington, LA Fire, etc... If this group of young men had the opportunity to train together year round, as you are suggesting, they wouldn't just be state high school champions, they could easily be one of the top ten club teams in the country..... honestly. Eh...gonna have to disagree with the "top 10 club teams in the country" analogy.
The reality is that St. Paul's would NOT be as good as they are if they did not (some of them) also play high level club ball. Club soccer is more technical and tactical. The ball moves faster.
I seriously doubt any St. Paul's player or parent would disagree with this. It's the high level club play that makes them a dominant hs team. Yes, the team chemistry helps. The coaching helps. But it is nearly impossible to have strong players that just play hs ball from Nov to Feb.
Go to some high level club events and showcases. St. Paul's is certainly elite by La hs standards...but let's not make it more than what it is.
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Post by usasoccerboy on Mar 2, 2015 14:48:16 GMT -6
Is Vandy a top 10 club team in the country too since they tied St. Paul's 0-0 and won their division as well?
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Post by playwide on Mar 2, 2015 14:54:49 GMT -6
Louisiana is putting a better product on the field over the last few years.....
When I first starting working with club teams, no boys or girls teams were breaking brackets at Regional Championships regularly....however, I think the La representative on the boys side at u17B at u18 have broken brackets the last few years.
On the girls side you had one team break bracket three straight years, win Region 3 once, and get within 1 goal of playing for the national championship.
On the field product is improving. High Schools are reaping the benefits of these elite club players.
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Post by aderitter on Mar 2, 2015 14:58:24 GMT -6
I think the 1999 Jesuit team was the best team I've seen in this state.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 15:23:26 GMT -6
Louisiana is putting a better product on the field over the last few years... When I first starting working with club teams, no boys or girls teams were breaking brackets at Regional Championships regularly..however, I think the La representative on the boys side at u17B at u18 have broken brackets the last few years. On the girls side you had one team break bracket three straight years, win Region 3 once, and get within 1 goal of playing for the national championship. On the field product is improving. High Schools are reaping the benefits of these elite club players. I think the Development Academy system has had an impact on the regional/national USYS level.
Elite players can be found in many areas. That is true. But states like Florida, NTX and STX, Florida and North Carolina are still producing the top teams generally. Even though these states also have DA member teams that don't compete in USYS.
When you have states with huge clubs and 100-200K registered players, it is very hard for La, MS, AL and TN club teams able to compete regionally and nationally.
Just like with hs ball, it isn't the individual player quality as much as it is about roster depth.
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