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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 13:20:58 GMT -6
I am thinking Shreveport U16 girls are the top seed in this year's state cup because they played in the Region 3 RPL league (RPL). They took BRSC's spot who finished second in PLC last year, but chose not to participate in RPL. (Shreveport was invited to take their place and as a result finished higher). In the Region 3 Central League (PLC) this year BRSC is 3-0-2 and Shreve is 1-1-3 which could also determine seeding in LA state cup. But I think these PLC results will not determine seeding, and Shreve will be #1, BRSC #2 because of the results in the RPL. I hope this makes sense. There is some debate about this and I was wondering if someone can point me to the rules. I remember reading this somewhere last summer, but I cannot it them now. PS - I hope I am wrong  |
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Post by Timbertwin on Apr 19, 2015 13:56:45 GMT -6
Policy 312.7.8 outlines seedings for state tournaments.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 18:12:05 GMT -6
Thank you for the exact location of the rule. It looks like Shreveport is the top seed.
I also see that next year there won't even be Premiere League Central. Instead LA is playing in the... Premier League West 2nd -PLW South.
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Post by Timbertwin on Apr 19, 2015 20:06:15 GMT -6
Correct. Next year all teams play in LCSL, so this issue will not be present next year.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 19, 2015 20:32:54 GMT -6
So all teams even those qualifying for regional play will play inLCSL?
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Post by Timbertwin on Apr 19, 2015 22:13:43 GMT -6
Correct.
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Post by rlb2024 on Apr 20, 2015 11:37:06 GMT -6
Where is this new rule about having to play in LCSL in the LSA Policy Manual? The version on the LSA website dated 1/20/2015 says in Section 312.5.1.2 that the team must have participated in either LSA, Region III League, or National League . . .
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Post by Timbertwin on Apr 20, 2015 14:20:48 GMT -6
It is effective for 2015-2016
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Post by playwide on Apr 21, 2015 12:27:49 GMT -6
Does anyone know what the thought process was around requiring these teams to beat up on the rest of the state in the LCSL instead of using that time to play regional friendlies and out of state tournaments?
I'm glad my son's aging out of Club Soccer, it seems like the new State folks are turning back the clock on soccer in the state. It's almost like High School Soccer is taking over Club soccer.
Good luck with that...
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Post by Timbertwin on Apr 21, 2015 14:11:05 GMT -6
Club presidents, executive directors and DOC's were all part of that conversation beginning last summer. There was unanimous agreement in January that this was the direction they wanted to take.
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Post by Antimatter on Apr 21, 2015 17:13:38 GMT -6
Does anyone know what the thought process was around requiring these teams to beat up on the rest of the state in the LCSL instead of using that time to play regional friendlies and out of state tournaments? I'm glad my son's aging out of Club Soccer, it seems like the new State folks are turning back the clock on soccer in the state. It's almost like High School Soccer is taking over Club soccer. Good luck with that. Though I initially had hesitation, I now see this from another direction. With more teams comes the possibility of more competitive levels. I know at my daughter's age level there are a few teams at the bottom of C1 better suited for C2(the top few teams are more than capable of competing with the RPL teams). C2 has a few that may be better served in a C3 division which LCSL does not have at this age level. With a C3 some clubs that had demured from LCSL may come back into the fold. And it also may attract new clubs starting out that want competition but not humiliation Quite opposite from creating more uneven games it will create better divisions. |
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Post by Timbertwin on Apr 21, 2015 17:43:33 GMT -6
Well stated before I could reply.
The overwhelming consensus during discussion (after it was brought up by member clubs at the DOC meeting last summer) was that the additional matches against Louisiana teams would be minimal and have very little impact on a team's schedule for the events outside of the state that the teams want to attend. That consensus was repeated and emphasized when it was discussed again in January.
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Post by usfgk on Apr 21, 2015 18:45:07 GMT -6
This will be different with each age group,especially with the older age groups. My experience in the past is that by the time the teams reach U-16 there are very few, sometimes only 2-3 competitive teams in any one group. Filling up a C-1 bracket with RPL teams and borderline C-1/2 teams seems like a step backwards. It may be a way to fill out a schedule but I don't see it as a positive step for player development.
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Post by Timbertwin on Apr 21, 2015 18:54:41 GMT -6
The option remains for the required size league of at least four teams to combine age groups for league play if that's the way to have meaningful matches and promote player development.
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Post by rlb2024 on Apr 21, 2015 19:03:56 GMT -6
So will teams that play in SRPL Premier West and 1st Division West be able to schedule all their league games for the spring? Especially for 1st Division West teams that will have 5 weekends of fall play, with probable trips to Texas and Oklahoma included?
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Post by playwide on Apr 22, 2015 18:39:46 GMT -6
There will be no upside for the top teams. They are being asked to go back and play in a league they have earned their way out of.
Player development? This issue is in direct conflict with the principles of seeking out a higher level of competition to improve as a team or individual player.
Scheduling nightmare? Yes, half the people submitting this do not know anything of the scheduling challenges of Regional and National Leagues.
Imagine this...you are a Region League or Nation League team that is scheduled against the FL #1 and the GA#1 and the weekend before (your preparation weekend for the big regional games) suddenly you are scheduled to play LCSL against Club Team #4 or lower to prepare to play the next weekend against some of the best players in the country. This is real...
There isn't anyone on those top 2 teams that wants to play these games. It will be games for the sake of games for the two best teams we have.
No way to justify it from a competition or player development approach.
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Post by lafutbolplaya07 on Apr 23, 2015 7:05:51 GMT -6
I like this new ruling. It's almost like the top teams in the Premier League that earned the right to play in the Champions League or Europa Cup but still have to play in the EPL. Brilliant concept. Slowly starting to look like a real league program with promotion and relegation as well.
Playwide brings up an interesting point about playing FL#1 and GA#1 but reality is we are already doing that now as we play in the same tournaments as always against the same sort of teams before those games anyway.
I see a long term development here that will make LCSL stronger in the future with more meaningful games. I think it's an exciting prospect.
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Post by madtaymac on Apr 23, 2015 7:16:53 GMT -6
playwide, not all RPL teams have earned their way. In the U15 girls age group, you have one team that earned their way by getting to State Cup finals, but the other RPL team did not even make it into the State Cup semifinals. The same group previous year as U14's, this age group had four RPL teams. None of those four teams won State Cup that year. My older daughter played many years for arguably the best girls team to come out of Louisiana. That team played RPL, SRPL, and Nationals; one of the hardest teams that they faced year after year was another Louisiana team. My point is that you really don't know where your best competition is going to come from.
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Post by playwide on Apr 23, 2015 12:15:17 GMT -6
The entire weight of dealing with all of these issues will fall to the 2 top teams and their coaches and managers. Nothing changes for the state level teams except they get to lose 2 more games.
The challenge is going to be fitting in Regional/National play and the rain out dates into a fall schedule with teams at high school ages u16 and up while also trying to play LCSL.
Nothing changes for the lower teams, only for the teams that will now have to jungle schedules around LCSL prior to the High School deadline.
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Post by playwide on May 14, 2015 8:06:57 GMT -6
Update: As explained to me, while this new rule of having the Regional teams play down into the State League has been voted on, it has not been ratified.
Many of those whom it will take to get ratified understand how challenging this rule would be for the Regional Teams (especially High School aged teams)with less play dates available in he fall and showcase and other leagues in the Spring.
We'll see how this will rule will fare upon being submitted for ratification. I believe the naïve mindset which proposed it will be informed of all the challenges this would create for scheduling, player development, and competition.
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