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Post by soccerisfun2015 on Apr 30, 2015 18:53:24 GMT -6
Not too sure if this rule is being overlooked because it was implemented in 2008 but I think that it needs to be monitored. If I have proof of this rule being violated who would I contact?
The LHSAA Executive Committee passed a rule that, effective July 1, 2008, limits ALL LHSAA high school coaches (faculty and non-faculty) to coaching/training no more than six (6) of the players from their high school teams during the independent (club) seasons.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Apr 30, 2015 22:41:08 GMT -6
It's actually 6 total,students from your school whether they play on your team or not. So boys and girls combined and doesn't matter if they play for your high school. As long as they go there, they count. 6 maximum in all the club teams you coach combined. Boys and girls together, all students.
you have two options... Be nice and tell the offending schools principal to report themselves which lowers the fines. Or don't care and report it yourself to Lhsaa. Probably good to be nice...
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Post by loJic on May 1, 2015 6:44:34 GMT -6
Just youth club right?
If I enter my boys and girls in an adult 7v7 coed league and coach it's all good, correct?
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on May 1, 2015 7:05:33 GMT -6
Just youth club right? If I enter my boys and girls in an adult 7v7 coed league and coach it's all good, correct? If it is over the course of the summer, yes you are good.
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Post by firebruin on May 1, 2015 7:36:32 GMT -6
Sorry if this sounds weird, but is there some type of rule that allows a coach to train/tryout 4 players per day with one ball during the off-season?
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on May 1, 2015 7:40:57 GMT -6
Sorry if this sounds weird, but is there some type of rule that allows a coach to train/tryout 4 players per day with one ball during the off-season? Once you train a player for a day during the calendar school year, it counts towards to 6 kids you are able to work with from my understanding.
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Post by SFC Retired on May 2, 2015 15:04:34 GMT -6
Sorry if this sounds weird, but is there some type of rule that allows a coach to train/tryout 4 players per day with one ball during the off-season? Once you train a player for a day during the calendar school year, it counts towards to 6 kids you are able to work with from my understanding. I thought you can only Train 4 players in the off season?
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Post by beauchenecoach on May 2, 2015 17:16:08 GMT -6
Sorry if this sounds weird, but is there some type of rule that allows a coach to train/tryout 4 players per day with one ball during the off-season? Once you train a player for a day during the calendar school year, it counts towards to 6 kids you are able to work with from my understanding. You are allowed to train up to 4 kids per day with a ball in school off season. This has nothing to do with club ball and coaching 6 students from your school on an independent team. This is basically a baseball rule that goes for all sports.
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on May 4, 2015 12:08:07 GMT -6
Once you train a player for a day during the calendar school year, it counts towards to 6 kids you are able to work with from my understanding. You are allowed to train up to 4 kids per day with a ball in school off season. This has nothing to do with club ball and coaching 6 students from your school on an independent team. This is basically a baseball rule that goes for all sports. My Question then is why can't I coach 8 kids, 4 on each a team, and just make sure they don't practice the same day, or play the same day. If they do, have an assistant coach, coach that day. Wouldn't this be the same concept?
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Post by SFC Retired on May 4, 2015 14:54:17 GMT -6
Now can you have 4 players and a goalie which would be 5??? Does this rule apply to softball and baseball as well?
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Post by Saver19o on May 4, 2015 15:14:42 GMT -6
What about rules 4.4.1 and 4.4.2?
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Post by beauchenecoach on May 4, 2015 22:11:31 GMT -6
You are allowed to train up to 4 kids per day with a ball in school off season. This has nothing to do with club ball and coaching 6 students from your school on an independent team. This is basically a baseball rule that goes for all sports. My Question then is why can't I coach 8 kids, 4 on each a team, and just make sure they don't practice the same day, or play the same day. If they do, have an assistant coach, coach that day. Wouldn't this be the same concept? No... Too lazy to find it now but it's 4 kids per day period. No 4 with this one and 4 with that one. The next day, you can pick 4 more. Like I said, it's a baseball and softball thought out rule for pitchers and catchers but all sports can use it. to be clear, this isn't independent or club team rules... This is high school training of 4 high school players during school year but not in soccer season.
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Post by laffysoccermom on May 5, 2015 7:20:07 GMT -6
So, a coach could conceivably train his team in rotating groups of 4 in off season. Is there anything to prevent the team from hiring a trainer to train them in off season as long as coach isn't present?
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Post by kodiak on May 5, 2015 14:07:43 GMT -6
This topic is being discussed on the girl's side as well. References are being made that under 2.1.5 Recruiting, an 8th grader is considered a transfer student. So if their club coach is coaching them and they go to the HS were their club coach is the HS coach they are ineligible to play their freshman year. ******************* Snoopy 1. said: Check LHSAA Recruiting 2.1.5. in rules. According to our club, it includes 8th to 9th grade. Can be asst. coach of JV team of girls team & you have son that will play on varsity boys. Our club has talked about this since spring 2014. Most our coaches coach in high school. It has been tough to find coaches who are not. not only have to worry U14, but have to pay attention to grade of player on U13 & U15. Also heard, rule has lot to do with Caddo Parish magnet system. Essentially, magnet pretty much gets rid of school attendance zones in parish. Read more: laprepsoccer.proboards.com/thread/20157/hs-coach-coaching-club-team#ixzz3ZIRRHpze
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Post by CoachD on May 6, 2015 8:26:33 GMT -6
No. Too lazy to find it now but it's 4 kids per day period. No 4 with this one and 4 with that one. The next day, you can pick 4 more. Like I said, it's a baseball and softball thought out rule for pitchers and catchers but all sports can use it. to be clear, this isn't independent or club team rules. This is high school training of 4 high school players during school year but not in soccer season. 4.1.6 Subject to the approval of the school principals, coaches may teach the fundamental skills and techniques of the specific sport during the out-of-season period with a limited number of student athletes. Outside the sports seasons but during the school year, coaches are prohibited from providing coaching at any one time under one roof, facility, or campus to more than four (4) students in grades 7-12 of the school or school system for which they coach. This does not allow two coaches to coach eight (8) students from the same school; no matter how many coaches are present, no more than four (4) players from the same school may be involved in out-of-season drills and techniques during the school year. This not only applies to the specific sport(s) coached by the coach, but it applies to all levels and all genders, whether the coach is paid or volunteers. Are you sure it's 4 per day? It reads as no more than 4 at one time.
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Post by wildcatsoccer on May 6, 2015 9:15:38 GMT -6
So as a HS coach I can not coach a rec team of 7th graders?
if this is for 7-12 grade how do the club coaches that also coach at private schools get around this? It seems like this would really hurt all involved if it was enforced.
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Post by CoachD on May 6, 2015 10:15:49 GMT -6
So as a HS coach I can not coach a rec team of 7th graders? if this is for 7-12 grade how do the club coaches that also coach at private schools get around this? It seems like this would really hurt all involved if it was enforced. The rule I posted is referring to a HS coach training players for their HS team. The independent team rule is different. You can coach up to 6 players from your school on an independent team. The way I understand it is if you coach at a school that has 7-12 graders at the same school with the same principal the 6 person rule would apply to your rec team. If the middle school is completely separate from the HS you coach at, you are ok.
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Post by Rabid Monkey on May 6, 2015 14:07:02 GMT -6
Anyone else think that it might be time to give the rule book a good scrubbing? Maybe try to use language that it doesnt take a lawyer or theoretical physicist to translate?
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Post by warrior16 on May 6, 2015 22:31:36 GMT -6
Anyone else think that it might be time to give the rule book a good scrubbing? Maybe try to use language that it doesnt take a lawyer or theoretical physicist to translate? "LHSSCA Rulebook for Dummies", then? I like it.
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Post by beauchenecoach on May 7, 2015 7:16:41 GMT -6
No. Too lazy to find it now but it's 4 kids per day period. No 4 with this one and 4 with that one. The next day, you can pick 4 more. Like I said, it's a baseball and softball thought out rule for pitchers and catchers but all sports can use it. to be clear, this isn't independent or club team rules. This is high school training of 4 high school players during school year but not in soccer season. 4.1.6 Subject to the approval of the school principals, coaches may teach the fundamental skills and techniques of the specific sport during the out-of-season period with a limited number of student athletes. Outside the sports seasons but during the school year, coaches are prohibited from providing coaching at any one time under one roof, facility, or campus to more than four (4) students in grades 7-12 of the school or school system for which they coach. This does not allow two coaches to coach eight (8) students from the same school; no matter how many coaches are present, no more than four (4) players from the same school may be involved in out-of-season drills and techniques during the school year. This not only applies to the specific sport(s) coached by the coach, but it applies to all levels and all genders, whether the coach is paid or volunteers. Are you sure it's 4 per day? It reads as no more than 4 at one time. I can tell you how I was told it... 4 per day, but it reads differently than that doesn't it? It does make it look like 4 period all offseason doesn't it? I'll have to get clarification on that when I talk to Gary again, but I'm sure it was that you could do 4 different ones each day if you wanted, but only 4 per day per sport.
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