jefe
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Post by jefe on Aug 13, 2015 13:29:47 GMT -6
Looks like the long awaited US Soccer Mandated changes targeted at player development initiatives have finally been released for Age Groupings/Calendar birth years, field + goals sizes/number of players/etc.....any indication on when LSA would target mandated implementation?
US Soccer has identified best practice adoption for August 2016 and mandated change by 2017.
The will cause significant disruption across the board to clubs/teams/kids....plus the cost to purchase equipment/field allocation to adhere to the changes.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Aug 14, 2015 10:11:14 GMT -6
Other than birth year- what else is changing?
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Aug 14, 2015 12:30:29 GMT -6
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Post by laffysoccermom on Aug 14, 2015 12:40:52 GMT -6
I think that through U12, they should do small sided tournaments along with the 8v8. I'm just a parent but I would love to see them do away with league and state cup at these ages and do state tournaments in a variety of formats. 3v3, 5v5, etc. u12 could even do one towards the end of season as 11v11. These tournaments or jamborees could be somewhat regional in nature. Still give the kids competition but more technical training and avoid pigeonholing them into one position.
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Post by cajunfit on Aug 15, 2015 12:12:41 GMT -6
I still have not really figured out (or have clarification) on how it will affect the kids who have Fall birthdays but play in the younger age group.
Do some of these kids lose a year of club soccer because they are now forced into the birth year group vs. the club year? If you are born in August-December of 99', you play club on 00' team (u16). When next year rolls around, if the clubs decide to put this in place, instead of you being on a U17 team, you are now on a U18 team...going into your junior year of high school. I guess they just start utilizing U19s as a club year, where normally you rarely see that with the current age system. They are not very descriptive in that link you posted.
Am I missing something?
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Post by laffysoccermom on Aug 15, 2015 13:14:34 GMT -6
I was told 99's would be U17 next year and all 00's would be U16 whether they were u16 this year or U15 so no one technically loses a year but the 00's now on an 00 team would gain a year. For example, my daughter who is U16 as a sophomore would be U16 again and U17 as a senior.
Where it might cause issues is the senior year for the 99's. They might be U18 but all 00's would be U17 so clubs will have to figure something out.
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Post by cajunfit on Aug 15, 2015 13:29:58 GMT -6
Ok that makes sense too. Something must be done to grandfather some kids or they will lose a year to straighten everything out. I expected it to be them adding a u19 but holding them back would work as well. Lots of kids will be changing teams and in some clubs it could produce drastically different strength teams. That is fine though, as everyone is going to do it next season or the one after.
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Post by rlb2024 on Aug 27, 2015 17:14:35 GMT -6
So how does this impact our split-year club season? For example, would a team be U15 for the fall season, then move up to U16 for the spring? How will this affect the scheduling of State Cup? I can see a serious impact with LCSL, where a team plays in the fall but does not reform in a new age group in the spring.
In states where their State Cup is in the fall such as Tennessee and Alabama, does this mean the U15 State Cup champions would play in the U16 regionals the next summer?
Implementation of this will be interesting.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Aug 27, 2015 21:17:40 GMT -6
I don't think you change until the next fall.
What I think will be interesting is how clubs implement with their teams. Will they split a successful current 00/01 team or will they have all players play up on an 00 team? And if they play up would they keep their RPL berth?
That's what I'm most interested in- to see how individual teams change.
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Post by Rabid Monkey on Aug 28, 2015 6:01:19 GMT -6
I don't think you change until the next fall. What I think will be interesting is how clubs implement with their teams. Will they split a successful current 00/01 team or will they have all players play up on an 00 team? And if they play up would they keep their RPL berth? That's what I'm most interested in- to see how individual teams change. From my understanding, RPL berths are no longer dependent upon State Cup success rather than an application process. I do agree it will be interesting to see how clubs handle the player placement process, since you could have kids trying out to play up to stay with friends.
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Post by cajunfit on Sept 15, 2015 14:53:45 GMT -6
Looks like the e-mail today just confirmed a guaranteed start for next August instead of "recommended" for 2016 and mandatory for 2017:
"US Club Soccer members will be required to transition age grouping of teams from school-year based (Aug. 1-July 31) to calendar-year based (Jan. 1-Dec. 31) by Aug. 1, 2016."
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Post by Rabid Monkey on Sept 15, 2015 15:10:44 GMT -6
Looks like the e-mail today just confirmed a guaranteed start for next August instead of "recommended" for 2016 and mandatory for 2017: "US Club Soccer members will be required to transition age grouping of teams from school-year based (Aug. 1-July 31) to calendar-year based (Jan. 1-Dec. 31) by Aug. 1, 2016." I thought I read somewhere that US Youth Soccer was making its clubs implement for 2016-2017 as well. Cant wait to see if the numbers decrease because friends cant play with friends any longer.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 15, 2015 18:21:18 GMT -6
Another interesting thing... Say u have a current u16 team that is 99 and 00 and is comp 1. Both the u 15 team that is 00 and 01 and the u17 team that is 98 and 99 are comp 2. All teams should stay in those brackets based on results this year. Teams are realigned by birth year and club does so- which teams would be comp 1 and which comp 2?
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Post by playwide on Sept 15, 2015 20:48:35 GMT -6
RPL teams that try to "play up" to avoid the rule will not have qualified in the RPL age group which they would "play up into" thus they will have to skip that year of RPL and try to qualify in their new age group for the following year.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 15, 2015 20:58:22 GMT -6
But what if they qualified based on a majority of players that are the older age now?
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Post by dme1214 on Sept 15, 2015 22:16:19 GMT -6
I thought I read somewhere that US Youth Soccer was making its clubs implement for 2016-2017 as well. Cant wait to see if the numbers decrease because friends cant play with friends any longer. Anyone that does not play because some friends shift to a different team probably did not need to be playing comp level anyhow. Additionally, younger players can play up to keep teams together. I think the issue of not playing with friends will be at issue at the pre-comp ages, which will affect soccer in the long run as opposed to these next few years. But there will be quality kids that decide to stop playing soccer if they aren't able to stay with their teammates of many years. I think we can all agree it's going to be a mess over the next couple years.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 16, 2015 22:21:54 GMT -6
Parents are in a tizzy about it already. I don't think the kids are so much.
It's gonna bean interesting couple of years.
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