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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 9, 2015 16:35:02 GMT -6
Was reading the newsletter from LSA. It appears now that there is not much incentive to play LCSL if you are in Comp 3. They will now have an Open Cup which is Comp 3 and lower along with rec teams. Sounds like you can just be like an Old D1 team and play whatever tournaments you want and still play in state. The only two reasons to play LCSL are if you are a contender to possibly win and move on to Regionals or President's Cup or for player development. I may be missing something and am open to correction if I am.
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Post by playwide on Sept 9, 2015 17:03:48 GMT -6
My translation is slightly different:
I believe Promotion is the incentive to play LCSL League, but I don't think there is any incentive at all for a C3 team to participate in C3 State Cup. Why pay $$ for that with no attached reward?
If your C3 team plays into promotion through League Match Schedule, what do you gain by playing C3 State Cup? Nothing...
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 9, 2015 18:03:22 GMT -6
I noticed the story too. It will be interesting to see how this pans out. To me they have opened door for teams to compete for state title without playing in LCSL. It will be interesting for sure.
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Post by cruyff on Sept 10, 2015 12:50:50 GMT -6
The Open Cup will be a joke. Letting rec teams participate and allowing teams to pick their own division. Really? We know what the LSA thinks of Comp 3.
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Post by warrior16 on Sept 10, 2015 15:17:17 GMT -6
Yeah. I can see this causing lots of problems.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 10, 2015 17:11:31 GMT -6
It looks like to me they won't be dropping teams down any longer. It looked like the relegation/promotion will happen the next year.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Sept 11, 2015 2:30:21 GMT -6
There is no more promotion and relegation for a state tournament...you will e placed in the tournament of the comp level you played in all year. No more dropping teams from comp 1 LCSL to presidents cup. All Poromo and relagation will ,happen between seasons based solely on league results. This actually started this season. There are also new challenge rules.
There is only 1 real state cup... It is the first rounds of the National Championship series and that is for Comp 1. Comp 2 teams start in presidents cup at state level tournament.
Comp 3, comp 4 and rec teams can play in a statewide open tournament. Placement based on level desired. I think the entry fee is cheaper also.
U11 has no state cup or state champion.... They all will participate in the Bob Abbott Cup, named after our long time LSA president and USYSA hall of farmer!
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Post by justsayin on Sept 11, 2015 5:37:05 GMT -6
I agree abut the reduced incentive to play. I have noticed a considerable rise in select tournament teams and a sudden decline in comp teams at our club. The weirdest thing is that these new select teams (and they are select) are being coached or managed by some of the top officials at our club.
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Post by justsayin on Sept 11, 2015 5:49:15 GMT -6
There is no more promotion and relegation for a state tournament.you will e placed in the tournament of the comp level you played in all year. No more dropping teams from comp 1 LCSL to presidents cup. All Poromo and relagation will ,happen between seasons based solely on league results. This actually started this season. There are also new challenge rules. "Comp level you played in all year." Does that mean that the u-11/u-13 won't be going through the readjustment period from fall to spring? If you are c-2 now will you be c-2 at state? Also, choosing your own level of play at state. Are they slowly phasing out league play all together? It seems like this is a step back to Premier and D-1.
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Post by dme1214 on Sept 11, 2015 11:26:45 GMT -6
There is no more promotion and relegation for a state tournament.you will e placed in the tournament of the comp level you played in all year. No more dropping teams from comp 1 LCSL to presidents cup. All Poromo and relagation will ,happen between seasons based solely on league results. This actually started this season. There are also new challenge rules. "Comp level you played in all year." Does that mean that the u-11/u-13 won't be going through the readjustment period from fall to spring? If you are c-2 now will you be c-2 at state? Also, choosing your own level of play at state. Are they slowly phasing out league play all together? It seems like this is a step back to Premier and D-1. I read the U13 rules and it does seem to say their isn't a reshuffle between the fall and the spring, which does, to me, say why bother playing LCSL, esspecially in the spring, since any team team can sign up for Open Cup. It is a horrible way to try and improve competitive play in the state. So now only 8 C1 teams and 8 C2 teams are really wanted or needed for each age group. And explain to me how this all flies next year when we go to the caledar year age groups, with a huge amount of new teams being formed out of the ashes of the old teams. As for picking your level, that only applies to the Rec teams applying for the Open Cup, which I see failing miserably
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Post by Rabid Monkey on Sept 11, 2015 12:40:07 GMT -6
"Comp level you played in all year." Does that mean that the u-11/u-13 won't be going through the readjustment period from fall to spring? If you are c-2 now will you be c-2 at state? Also, choosing your own level of play at state. Are they slowly phasing out league play all together? It seems like this is a step back to Premier and D-1. I read the U13 rules and it does seem to say their isn't a reshuffle between the fall and the spring, which does, to me, say why bother playing LCSL, esspecially in the spring, since any team team can sign up for Open Cup. It is a horrible way to try and improve competitive play in the state. So now only 8 C1 teams and 8 C2 teams are really wanted or needed for each age group. And explain to me how this all flies next year when we go to the caledar year age groups, with a huge amount of new teams being formed out of the ashes of the old teams. As for picking your level, that only applies to the Rec teams applying for the Open Cup, which I see failing miserably Try only 6 teams for C1....
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 11, 2015 13:01:04 GMT -6
I think you are going to see a move to where it is like the old D1 and premier days. You may have two levels of premier but I can see this gradually becoming the case.
I like the no relegation prior to state cup. Other than that, I will reserve judgement. I would love to hear from someone who attended these meetings, what the rationale was.
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Post by lafutbolplaya07 on Sept 12, 2015 9:53:34 GMT -6
I think this is what is needed. For me it puts more incentive on League play and the LCSL finally looks like an actual LEAGUE! If you are in C3 you now need to get into C2 to play in Pres Cup and the C2 teams have the incentive to get into C1 to play in State Cup. For my team league play has now become very important. Before I never knew where my team was going to play next season and from what I can see at the end of the season we will now know exactly where we will play next year from the league standings. That is if I'm reading it right. Since LCSL started it was never really a league if you ask me. Just my personal opinion. Who ever was running it had no idea what a league should look like. The worst part was that your placement for the next year depended on how you did at State Cup and my boys had some bad results at State Cup as we had injuries and then were placed in a lower LCSL bracket. The "almost competitive red" WHO CAME UP WITH THESE NAMES?
The other part about the open cup is very interesting. My boys have played some very strong rec teams who probably should be competing at a higher level. This will give them an opportunity to play and challenge at a higher level I think and help the players develop. Of course it could have the reverse as well if some of them really have no idea where they should be placed and get put in at to high a level.
Also like the no reshuffle half way through the year.
I was never a fan of the teams being put down to C2 from C1 for State Cup. In my honest opinion it was never fair on those C2 teams and it happened to my guys 2 years ago. I still would like to know who was making those decisions?
I have a feeling it now looks like most of the global leagues. With League and Cup competitions being separated with cup competitions for specific levels of play. I may be wrong but I think they serious looked at how different leagues everywhere were structured and have addressed it with the new LCSL. Looking forward to seeing how we do this year!
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Post by lafutbolplaya07 on Sept 12, 2015 9:56:44 GMT -6
I do enjoy the first story congratulating themselves on only being a day late instead of weeks late on releasing schedules and calling it EARLY. I am not sure how it is early when it is a day after the date for release listed on the site months before. Don't get me wrong. I am glad they got out when they did and appreciate the work that goes into it but the story is a bit odd. I'm just pleased that I had a schedule weeks before our first game. In the past I sometimes found out a day or 2 before. How can you run a league like that. I think I have to congratulate them for that as it made planning so much easier.
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Post by justsayin on Sept 12, 2015 10:41:49 GMT -6
Also like the no reshuffle half way through the year. One team in our age group has already lost in the double-digits. We were placed in a group with teams ranked in the top ten when we are ranked in the bottom half of the state and will be playing at this rate 14 games in league. How is losing in the double digits beneficial to either team?
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Post by playwide on Sept 12, 2015 14:28:03 GMT -6
I think when they have $20k less revenue when some C3 Teams do not participate in a meaningless State Cup, they will re-think their "progress".
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Post by lafutbolplaya07 on Sept 12, 2015 17:41:45 GMT -6
I think when they have $20k less revenue when some C3 Teams do not participate in a meaningless State Cup, they will re-think their "progress". I don't think C3 teams should be involved in State Cup. I thought last year they were in a different tournament. Having looked at the new Open Cup concept I think it is not supposed to be a State Cup and I would prefer if I was in C3 or C4 to go and play in a different tournament maybe out of state and at the beach to finish of the year. State Cup should be for the top teams in my honest opinion. I think that is where LSA was trying to go with this. I agree that several teams may not play in Open Cup but at least it is an option. Again making the league more important.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 12, 2015 17:46:33 GMT -6
I think U13 should reshuffle at mid year. Teams from U12 to u13 can vary significantly in strength. We were the last year that they did not reshuffle at that age.
The next couple of years are going to be interesting. We started playing in the old system and have gone through many changes. There always are some good and some bad every year.
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Post by dme1214 on Sept 12, 2015 20:52:22 GMT -6
I think when they have $20k less revenue when some C3 Teams do not participate in a meaningless State Cup, they will re-think their "progress". I don't think C3 teams should be involved in State Cup. I thought last year they were in a different tournament. Having looked at the new Open Cup concept I think it is not supposed to be a State Cup and I would prefer if I was in C3 or C4 to go and play in a different tournament maybe out of state and at the beach to finish of the year. State Cup should be for the top teams in my honest opinion. I think that is where LSA was trying to go with this. I agree that several teams may not play in Open Cup but at least it is an option. Again making the league more important. We are a C3 team at U13. And I did ask Lsa the reshuffle question. Awaiting an answer. But if we don't get either earn a c2 spot or aren't allowed to move up, I would much rather go to Memphis or Gulf coast or even Houston then play the same teams again and some Rec teams. And I bet I'm not the only one
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Post by laffysoccermom on Sept 12, 2015 21:22:20 GMT -6
I just read the manual. It looks like there is no reshuffle. Only difference appears to be that they can recommend a comp 1 team or teams to RPL play and it looks like those teams won't play LCSL in the spring. It says Comp 2 and 3 will be those teams that played in those leagues in the fall.
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