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Post by usfgk on Nov 10, 2015 9:26:55 GMT -6
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Post by pshenton on Nov 10, 2015 19:40:54 GMT -6
Let's ban physical contact too. And saying mean things during games, that could hurt people's feelings. Winning games might also hurt people's feelings too, so let's make every game finish in draw so no one has to feel disappointed for losing.
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Post by smee on Nov 11, 2015 10:13:12 GMT -6
Or, we teach kids to pass ball on ground, sometimes to players on the same team. Maybe even get some foot skills while we are at it. Or we can stay in the stone age and play old style English football of route 1, with big center halves who can only head the ball and kick it very hard the way they are facing. Minor trivia question: who was the last Englishman to manage a premiership winning team?
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Post by pshenton on Nov 11, 2015 10:58:59 GMT -6
Or, we teach kids to pass ball on ground, sometimes to players on the same team. Maybe even get some foot skills while we are at it. Or we can stay in the stone age and play old style English football of route 1, with big center halves who can only head the ball and kick it very hard the way they are facing. Minor trivia question: who was the last Englishman to manage a premiership winning team? It's got nothing to do with English football so I don't know where you've pulled that from. Heading is an aspect of the game that all players need to learn. If they never learn how to do it properly, that's going to increase the likelihood of them giving themselves concussion from heading with poor technique when they're older. Keepers can also break fingers from players kicking the ball at them, should be ban them from taking hard shots in future also? Go watch any game with kids playing U12 or younger and count the amount of headers in one game for both teams. If you got to double figures, I'd be amazed. This is just more busy-bodies at the top figuring more was to make kids even softer. If people really cared about the affects of concussions, the NFL would be banned. But it's a multi billion dollar industry so giving it's players brain damage is ignored. The hypocrisy is ridiculous.
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Post by time2retire on Nov 11, 2015 14:08:46 GMT -6
Or, we teach kids to pass ball on ground, sometimes to players on the same team. Maybe even get some foot skills while we are at it. Or we can stay in the stone age and play old style English football of route 1, with big center halves who can only head the ball and kick it very hard the way they are facing. Minor trivia question: who was the last Englishman to manage a premiership winning team? It's got nothing to do with English football so I don't know where you've pulled that from. Heading is an aspect of the game that all players need to learn. If they never learn how to do it properly, that's going to increase the likelihood of them giving themselves concussion from heading with poor technique when they're older. Keepers can also break fingers from players kicking the ball at them, should be ban them from taking hard shots in future also? Go watch any game with kids playing U12 or younger and count the amount of headers in one game for both teams. If you got to double figures, I'd be amazed. This is just more busy-bodies at the top figuring more was to make kids even softer. If people really cared about the affects of concussions, the NFL would be banned. But it's a multi billion dollar industry so giving it's players brain damage is ignored. The hypocrisy is ridiculous. Legitimate points IMO. I am supposed to observe a couple u12 games this weekend and I'll try to take your challenge and report how many I see.
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Post by playwide on Nov 11, 2015 17:40:58 GMT -6
11 kids have died this season alone playing High School Football in the US....where's the outrage?
I have attended 3 training sessions per week for a decade. I have never seen a single concussion from heading the ball in training.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Nov 11, 2015 20:42:19 GMT -6
Did I read it right that at a certain age they can do it in games but not in training? So you can't teach them to do it properly but you will let them do it in a game without being trained.
I'm hoping I misunderstood because that sounds totally dumb.
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Post by warrior16 on Nov 11, 2015 21:51:37 GMT -6
Stupid things like this are why the rest of the world laughs at us.
Let's ban sports altogether. Too dangerous!
How do they expect kids to head the ball properly during a game if they can't practice it in training? (I realize it would only apply to 10-year-olds and younger, but it's still dumb.) Like pshenton said, kids developing the wrong technique is actually more dangerous than not practicing that at all. And it's also true that headers are far, far less frequent at the younger level of soccer than the older levels.
Our kids need to learn how to play all aspects of the game properly from a young age. You can never take all the risks out of anything in life, least of all, sports. Kids will get hurt, some of them really badly. It's just an unfortunate reality of life.
If they're really super-concerned about concussions, just mandate that all players wear those concussion-resistant caps made by Storelli or something. Don't just ban headers.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Nov 12, 2015 8:17:50 GMT -6
The only injuries I have seen from heading other than a kid who already had a concussion but parents said was cleared although they hadn't been to doctor is when two players hit heads both going for ball. I would think this wouldn't be likely to happen in training especially if it is specific to headers and not in a scrimmage situation.
This is way more likely in games. Would make more sense to say it can be introduced in training at age whatever and incorporated into game style play at another age.
I know nothing about coaching. I'm just a mom that caught my daughter's love for the game.
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Post by CoachK Nola on Nov 12, 2015 10:59:03 GMT -6
C'mon coaches, you know better than that. If a young player has been taught good body position, they can attempt to control a ball with their feet, regardless of whether the ball is in the air or on the ground. Any 12 year old with experience, can then adapt their body position to head a ball to score or defend their goal.
With that said, I tell my players if a ball "bounces up" and a player wants to have a go with their head, ok, have at it. But if a strong player crosses a ball in from the touch line or even worse a goal keeper punts a ball 30 yards and a 10 year old thinks its a good idea to try and head that ball "away," you've failed as a coach; That's a poor decision, for multiple reasons. Safety, obviously, but also, dont we want the ball with us, at our feet, where we can make good decisions. Not off chasing a bouncing ball.
If you can ensure that young players can make that distinction, then headers shouldn't be eliminated from the game. But too many kids can't always make that decision in the middle of a match, and so coaches should help simplify that. Don't head the ball till you're twelve. I think that's simple.
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Post by time2retire on Nov 14, 2015 20:54:21 GMT -6
Wound up working a u12 boys LCSL this morning. Hobbled around in pain and paid the best attention I could. I *think* I counted 15 headers during the game +-2 or so. Only once on a long ball situation (punt or goalkick) and the technique was good.
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Post by time2retire on Nov 19, 2015 9:03:25 GMT -6
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