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Post by kevin on Dec 23, 2015 18:55:07 GMT -6
As a parent, that's how I'd react. Trust me, as much as I poke fun at the american mind frame my daughter's future definitely has education as a must. However, as a someone who went back to college at the age of 27, I don't think it's all or nothing for these young players. If you're 16-18 and you and your supporting cast believe you can go pro then why not try? Why is it an all or nothing thing? College doesn't have an age limit. To be honest there are pros who actually take classes while being pros. Not unheard of. And until I see kids begging for a "insert american college based player" Barcelona/Man U/Real Madrid/Bayern Munich jersey, then college is not the answer for development. Brian McBride, Oguchi Onyewu, Clint Dempsey and Stu Holden are the only names you can say, besides a few keepers, who were champions league caliber players who dipped into the college system. That's 4 players out the 100,000 who have played college ball in the last 15 years. Kevin, we can go very deep into this subject. It has too many layers to have a leisure conversation. Maybe over a beverage sometime. Yes, college has no age limit. And I think there are many situations where it makes sense to leave college early. And MLS has their Generation Adidas program (formerly Nike Project-40). But let's face it, if some Jesuit or St. Paul's kid gets a full ride for soccer at Notre Dame or North Carolina or Georgetown or something like that, he's taking it. As for your list, you definitely need to add Claudio Reyna. Probably Tony Sanneh as well. A handful of others, including Sacha Kljestan, Michael Parkhurst, Frankie Hejduk, played in the Champions League after playing college soccer. Also, to be perfectly honst: the list of American-raised Champions League-caliber players is a short one, whether they went to college or not. And yes, I agree that there are many, many facets to this topic. Maybe a chat in between games during the week of the state finals?
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Post by loJic on Dec 23, 2015 20:01:07 GMT -6
How dare your mention Kljestan. I still have no clue as to what teams see in him. Every game I've ever watched him play I always thought he was out of his league. Never saw him play a Jupiler league game though. Forgot about Hey-dude's Leverkusen stint! Parkhurst was decent for Nord.
Yes, the 10 day championship extravaganza is a good time to talk footy.
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Post by esco on Dec 24, 2015 12:14:32 GMT -6
very agreed. but i disagree with the part about low competition week in and week out. that all varies by a team's schedule. teams like st pauls, mandeville, jesuit brother martin all have very intense schedules with a top 10 team maybe once a week. i think the top tier in Division I's competition is not a problem at all.
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Post by swami on Dec 24, 2015 15:11:36 GMT -6
Much depends on the high school coach. If the school or a booster club has the resources to pay an accomplished coach who likely coaches club teams as well, the players will continue to develop. Additionally, if the coach provided a tough schedule for his or her team, the players are challenged and will continue to improve. I think it is a good rule that they are prevented from playing in other leagues due to the possibility of injury. As another poster said, if you think hs soccer is that bad, don't participate.
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 25, 2015 19:19:17 GMT -6
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Post by rlb2024 on Dec 25, 2015 20:20:10 GMT -6
Congratulations Andrew! The Fontainebleau community is proud of you! He was also second-team All-American and graduated from Clemson with a civil engineering degree this month.
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Post by happyjack on Dec 26, 2015 9:47:41 GMT -6
Much depends on the high school coach. If the school or a booster club has the resources to pay an accomplished coach who likely coaches club teams as well, the players will continue to develop. This is an interesting misconception, some of the most successful coaches in the state don't coach club ball. ortner at jesuit moser at st pauls oertling at st louis hamilton at vandy rusty and Carly at fontainbelau old BF coach (was there 25 years but can't recall his name) esker at mandeville muller at newman watkins at st pauls brother tim at St. Paul's
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Post by oldhattrick3 on Dec 26, 2015 10:24:54 GMT -6
Sigh:-/
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Post by time2retire on Dec 26, 2015 11:49:13 GMT -6
Thought for sure Ortner (SSA) had a Mandeville U13 team last year. But I could be wrong.
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Post by rlb2024 on Dec 26, 2015 11:51:01 GMT -6
Thought for sure Ortner (SSA) had a Mandeville U13 team last year. But I could be wrong. I believe he's referring to Garry Ortner (Mike's dad), who coached at Jesuit way back. Mike is still an active coach at Mandeville SC.
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Post by swami on Dec 28, 2015 18:01:32 GMT -6
Much depends on the high school coach. If the school or a booster club has the resources to pay an accomplished coach who likely coaches club teams as well, the players will continue to develop. This is an interesting misconception, some of the most successful coaches in the state don't coach club ball. ortner at jesuit moser at st pauls oertling at st louis hamilton at vandy rusty and Carly at fontainbelau old BF coach (was there 25 years but can't recall his name) esker at mandeville muller at newman watkins at st pauls brother tim at St. Paul's Thats only 9 teams, including at least one girls team. I did not say club coaches were any better or worse. Focus on the word accomplished. Some coaches develop players and play tough schedules and some do not. If that is a misconception, pardon my comment.
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Post by happyjack on Dec 29, 2015 20:41:10 GMT -6
That list of coaches has more state championships between them than the club coaches that have begun filling the coaching ranks over the past 10 years...I think that in itself helps define what an accomplished coach is...coaching club ball in itself does not mean you're a better coach...it simply means you're a club coach. Of course, we all know if you can do it with a British accent, real or not, then clearly you know what you're doing
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Post by hsref3 on Jan 1, 2016 18:29:16 GMT -6
Surprised that no one mentioned the impact that playing our HS soccer as a winter sport has on the success of louisiana players that advance to the next level. Many HS soccer coaches are reluctant to fully support and actually discourage the participation of "their" athletes in these showcase tournaments. This is despite the state understanding the importance of the events and making the allowances for the athletes to participate. Some of the coaches concerns are valid ones.
If I understand correctly most states do not have HS soccer as a winter sport, and therefore don't run into this clash of obligations between HS and club. This is likely another factor contributing.
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Post by cleansheets on Jan 2, 2016 16:43:04 GMT -6
I find that a major problem internally in players with the continuation from high school soccer to college in the United States is the MLS salary. You spend four entire years of your college career, only to have a very small percentage of making it to the MLS (1.9% to be exact). If you do, in fact, make it the MLS, the minimum salary is under $40,000 a year. One injury and your career is over with.
Let's say that you decide not to play soccer. You spend four years of your life with an abundance of free time, pursuing your career path of choice. You graduate from college with a degree (in whatever), with the possibility of easily doubling or tripling the $40,000 a year mark straight out of college. You have strong guarantee of a career ahead of you.
The choice is up to the students, but until there are major college kids coming out of the NCAA making big money and in the spotlight, there will not be the same infatuation with making it the MLS as there is for MLB, NFL, NBA, etc.
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Post by loJic on Jan 2, 2016 16:52:48 GMT -6
I find that a major problem internally in players with the continuation from high school soccer to college in the United States is the MLS salary. You spend four entire years of your college career, only to have a very small percentage of making it to the MLS (1.9% to be exact). If you do, in fact, make it the MLS, the minimum salary is under $40,000 a year. One injury and your career is over with. Let's say that you decide not to play soccer. You spend four years of your life with an abundance of free time, pursuing your career path of choice. You graduate from college with a degree (in whatever), with the possibility of easily doubling or tripling the $40,000 a year mark straight out of college. You have strong guarantee of a career ahead of you. The choice is up to the students, but until there are major college kids coming out of the NCAA making big money and in the spotlight, there will not be the same infatuation with making it the MLS as there is for MLB, NFL, NBA, etc. MLS league minimum has been bumped to $60,000 starting 2015. I hear you but tell your tripling $40k college degree phenomenon to the many college grads I know working in a field that didn't even go to school for. College degrees these days are like high school diplomas back in the old days. 4 years of college really doesn't cut it these days if you're looking to make above $75k within your first 5 years of being out of school.
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Post by snoopy1 on Jan 2, 2016 17:00:56 GMT -6
Average income 23-35 years old as of 2013:
Masters Degree: $65,000 Bachelors Degree: $50,000 Associate Degree: $40,000
I will take chance in the MLS!
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Post by happyjack on Jan 14, 2016 17:40:31 GMT -6
Well, Andrew Tarbell, keeper out of Mandeville that played at FHS and Clemson just selected by San Jose Earthquakes...guess we can close this thread now
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