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Post by mswatd on Mar 21, 2016 9:50:40 GMT -6
The reason for the split here and in other states is not complicated. Also the split is in all sports. Cut through all of the rhetoric and crazy talk. The reality is that the private/parochial/Christian/magnet school play by a totally different set of rules when it comes to the pool of students and student athletes. It is a fact Has nothing to do with school choice or discrimination or any of all of the foolishness that people talk about. This is not something new. Just finally new to Louisiana. We will see how it pans out ***BINGO***
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Post by theirishman on Mar 21, 2016 10:35:43 GMT -6
Agreed that some advantages are there for the "select" schools, but don't people realize there are advantages for the non-select as well? Sounds like logic isn't even a factor. It is either jealousy or anger at the heart of it.
The public schools are regularly the top schools in the highest classifications in basketball. Why on earth would they vote for a split in hoops? We have 14 boys and girls state champs right now in hoops. Is that not enough? Would 28 state champs help everyone feel better? Why weren't the large catholic schools in favor of the split in hoops when they get beat every year by big time players at public schools? Makes you wonder.
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Post by drogba on Mar 21, 2016 11:07:36 GMT -6
What I don't understand is why those who voted for the split seem to be the most upset that the split may be all the way. Why just split in post season. If it's truly unfair to public schools, why not have the districts be separate too? That way the public schools have a fair shot at district championships too. That makes sense. If you're going to do separate districts, why not separate organizations? I don't know which way our school would go. I'm not in the know but the more I think about it, this new organization makes sense. Money, media etc. It is all going to disappear from the LHSAA. Watch the dome series the 9 games now the new league will hold different championships in different venues etc. The revenue off these 60 schools will be dramatic. I think it will be a fun league to watch however will have so many power programs in one league. Looking forward to it. Hate to see the soccer split but you know all for the better moving forward. In the long run as more teams move from Lhsaa it will just be the schools that voted to split that will really suffer because they will never get let into the new league.
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Post by rlb2024 on Mar 21, 2016 11:30:53 GMT -6
Agreed that some advantages are there for the "select" schools, but don't people realize there are advantages for the non-select as well? Sounds like logic isn't even a factor. It is either jealousy or anger at the heart of it. The public schools are regularly the top schools in the highest classifications in basketball. Why on earth would they vote for a split in hoops? We have 14 boys and girls state champs right now in hoops. Is that not enough? Would 28 state champs help everyone feel better? Why weren't the large catholic schools in favor of the split in hoops when they get beat every year by big time players at public schools? Makes you wonder. Other than not having to pay tuition, what are the advantages for the non-select schools?
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Post by laffysoccermom on Mar 21, 2016 11:37:10 GMT -6
Honestly, even if it happened tomorrow, our district wouldn't change much. We are a small school and our district is probably 90% private. Where I really think this will hurt is the small public schools that are currently in district with mostly private schools. I assume that their geographic boundaries would have to be bigger which would increase their travel costs. This would probably affect their willingness to start new teams.
You also probably would have similar issues for larger private schools outside of New Orleans but these schools might be better equipped to fund the travel.
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Post by nolapelota on Mar 21, 2016 11:48:13 GMT -6
The reason for the split here and in other states is not complicated. Also the split is in all sports. Cut through all of the rhetoric and crazy talk. The reality is that the private/parochial/Christian/magnet school play by a totally different set of rules when it comes to the pool of students and student athletes. It is a fact Has nothing to do with school choice or discrimination or any of all of the foolishness that people talk about. This is not something new. Just finally new to Louisiana. We will see how it pans out For the umpteenth time... that "...play by a totally different set of rules..." is complete BS. Private schools must adhere to more strict review of district enrollment than do so-called "public schools."
Almost no public schools these days are truly "district only." Just go look at River Parish schools, or Terrebonne, Lafouche Parish, or West Monroe...see how they operate and tell me that those schools are "district only strictly enforced." They are not. Neither are New Orleans, Shreveport and many other city schools.
And that is before considering the effect of majority-minority enrollment, overlapping districts, Parish-wide magnet schools, etc. To blame the better schools dominance in athletics on their "enrollment advantage" is to make an excuse. Those schools benefit from a higher percentage of motivated students, a better class of teachers, coaches, administrators, and a higher percentage of committed and involved parents.
There are some private schools that exist for athletics, but not that many. So what. Don't schedule them... and don't play in the playoffs. Or we could split into 400 different groups then every schools could win a State Championship in every sport every year.... creating the ultimate participation trophy.
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Post by thscoach on Mar 21, 2016 12:06:09 GMT -6
I coach in Terrebonne Parish and can assure that Terrebonne and Lafourche Parish ARE "district only strictly enforced".
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Post by jmlrvp50 on Mar 21, 2016 12:08:41 GMT -6
You are entitled to your opinion. But the reality is true public schools. Non magnet. Can only have kids compete for the. Who live in their attendance zone and the others can get any kid from anywhere they want and if they have an eight grade on campus they can come in as eighth graders and be eligible immediately as freshman. By the way there is no longer. Parish attendance zones. It so school specific attendance zones. You may not agree with that but it is factual
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Post by jmlrvp50 on Mar 21, 2016 12:10:28 GMT -6
If two coaches have equal facilities and equal money and equal abilities but one is limited to players in their district and the other has no restrictions....... It is common sense that they have a competetive advantage.
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Post by rlb2024 on Mar 21, 2016 12:17:26 GMT -6
The reason for the split here and in other states is not complicated. Also the split is in all sports. Cut through all of the rhetoric and crazy talk. The reality is that the private/parochial/Christian/magnet school play by a totally different set of rules when it comes to the pool of students and student athletes. It is a fact Has nothing to do with school choice or discrimination or any of all of the foolishness that people talk about. This is not something new. Just finally new to Louisiana. We will see how it pans out For the umpteenth time. that ".play by a totally different set of rules." is complete BS. Private schools must adhere to more strict review of district enrollment than do so-called "public schools."
Almost no public schools these days are truly "district only." Just go look at River Parish schools, or Terrebonne, Lafouche Parish, or West Monroe.see how they operate and tell me that those schools are "district only strictly enforced." They are not. Neither are New Orleans, Shreveport and many other city schools.
And that is before considering the effect of majority-minority enrollment, overlapping districts, Parish-wide magnet schools, etc. To blame the better schools dominance in athletics on their "enrollment advantage" is to make an excuse. Those schools benefit from a higher percentage of motivated students, a better class of teachers, coaches, administrators, and a higher percentage of committed and involved parents.
There are some private schools that exist for athletics, but not that many. So what. Don't schedule them. and don't play in the playoffs. Or we could split into 400 different groups then every schools could win a State Championship in every sport every year.. creating the ultimate participation trophy.
This may be true in some cases, but definitely not in all. In my area (St. Tammany Parish) all public schools are "district only" -- there are no parish-wide magnet or charter schools. District lines are strictly enforced, and it is extremely difficult to get a transfer to another school. I'm not sure how the statement about review of district enrollment applies to schools that have no district. St. Paul's, Northlake Christian, SSA, etc., have no defined district and can accept students from anywhere inside or outside the parish. Last I heard there are almost 100 students at Jesuit that commute from St. Tammany. The only restriction I'm aware of is that the private school shares an "attendance zone" with the public school from its area, and if a student comes from outside that attendance zone they cannot play varsity their first year -- which for many of these students is 8th grade when the great majority of them would not be playing varsity anyway. If parents are willing and able to pay for their child to attend a private school anywhere they wish to, that is certainly their right. But I have to disagree with the statement that the "different set of rules" is "complete BS" -- it certainly is not in our area.
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Post by loJic on Mar 21, 2016 12:49:42 GMT -6
No LHSAA means the rule about kids playing for club teams and high school teams at the same time is gone, correct?
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Post by laffysoccermom on Mar 21, 2016 13:06:44 GMT -6
That would be interesting if it did mean that and interesting to see how club would respond. I can't see club automatically going year round because that might eliminate the public school kids and their money from the club system.
What do you more knowledgable people think?
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Mar 21, 2016 14:37:56 GMT -6
The reason for the split here and in other states is not complicated. Also the split is in all sports. Cut through all of the rhetoric and crazy talk. The reality is that the private/parochial/Christian/magnet school play by a totally different set of rules when it comes to the pool of students and student athletes. It is a fact Has nothing to do with school choice or discrimination or any of all of the foolishness that people talk about. This is not something new. Just finally new to Louisiana. We will see how it pans out For the umpteenth time. that ".play by a totally different set of rules." is complete BS. Private schools must adhere to more strict review of district enrollment than do so-called "public schools."
Almost no public schools these days are truly "district only." Just go look at River Parish schools, or Terrebonne, Lafouche Parish, or West Monroe.see how they operate and tell me that those schools are "district only strictly enforced." They are not. Neither are New Orleans, Shreveport and many other city schools.
And that is before considering the effect of majority-minority enrollment, overlapping districts, Parish-wide magnet schools, etc. To blame the better schools dominance in athletics on their "enrollment advantage" is to make an excuse. Those schools benefit from a higher percentage of motivated students, a better class of teachers, coaches, administrators, and a higher percentage of committed and involved parents.
There are some private schools that exist for athletics, but not that many. So what. Don't schedule them. and don't play in the playoffs. Or we could split into 400 different groups then every schools could win a State Championship in every sport every year.. creating the ultimate participation trophy.
My kids attend West Monroe and I can tell you that is is a district only strictly enforced school. So, you are going to tell me that John Curtis has the record that it has in football solely because of their teachers, coaaches, administrators and parents? That the ability to recruit players from a large area (much larger then West Monroe or other public schools) does not give them an advantage? Try selling that somewhere else. And, to the person who commented about basketball, this is a football issue only. If John Curtis and Evangel did not exist, we would not be having this discussion.
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Post by loJic on Mar 21, 2016 15:08:28 GMT -6
That would be interesting if it did mean that and interesting to see how club would respond. I can't see club automatically going year round because that might eliminate the public school kids and their money from the club system. What do you more knowledgable people think? Means we are about to see 5-10 of the state's best youth players playing on a LPL team next season.
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Post by chelsea007 on Mar 21, 2016 15:24:25 GMT -6
Nolapelota seems to be misinformed on how things operate on the public side, at least in St.Tammany (but I am sure elsewhere.nearly everywhere is similar to us). This was bound to happen imo. In fact I predicted it some time ago but was roundly ridiculed on here. Such is life. FWIW, I enjoy the competition. Is it fair, not even remotely. Then again, neither is life. That being said, I am the guying who thinks 8 playoff participants is the way to go. For the most part, the same schools are going to be in the mix year in and year out regardless of sport (and to theirishman, I suggest google for more accurate information on boys basketball as your suggested premise is questionable and limited to one sport...I see what you did there). It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. From what I can understand the Archdiocese of Nola will be sticking with the LHSAA. Some schools that may not be member schools may opt out (St. Paul...highly unlikely imo, DeLaSalle...ditto, and possibly Shaw). Brother Martin has already joined the new association if my source is correct. Who knows what John Curtis will do. As I said, it will be interesting. One side note, if memory serves me correctly, the associations will not be allowed to play one another (see the MPSAA for example). Enjoy!
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Post by usfgk on Mar 21, 2016 15:26:34 GMT -6
No LHSAA means the rule about kids playing for club teams and high school teams at the same time is gone, correct? It could signal the end of winter HS soccer and club coaches coaching their HS players without ramifications. It would be interesting if the new organization would move the dates of the HS season.
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Post by onframe on Mar 21, 2016 18:45:53 GMT -6
Let LHSAA continue with those happy with what they get from the split. The guidance and oversight from LHSAA is laughable under the most generous interpretations. Look at the "all-district" lists on this site. There are more formats for all-district honors than there are state championships. Underlying organizational infrastructure can be figured out and improved with minimal effort. So what if a team can't play another? You can only play so many games per year anyway. Sometimes taking your ball and going home is the right thing to do. Recruiting is the gripe? Great, make your case and get the offenders held accountable. Otherwise, shush and build your team the right way and move on.
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Post by chelsea007 on Mar 21, 2016 19:28:00 GMT -6
FWIW, Ifeel both sides have legitimate arguments. Hopefully, the powers that be will see fit to come up with a solution other than this. Many on this site have come up with plans better than this imo.
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Post by time2retire on Mar 21, 2016 19:53:18 GMT -6
I coach in Terrebonne Parish and can assure that Terrebonne and Lafourche Parish ARE "district only strictly enforced". Beat me to it, I can verify this as well
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Post by time2retire on Mar 21, 2016 20:06:07 GMT -6
Nolapelota seems to be misinformed on how things operate on the public side, at least in St.Tammany (but I am sure elsewhere.nearly everywhere is similar to us). This was bound to happen imo. In fact I predicted it some time ago but was roundly ridiculed on here. Such is life. FWIW, I enjoy the competition. Is it fair, not even remotely. Then again, neither is life. That being said, I am the guying who thinks 8 playoff participants is the way to go. For the most part, the same schools are going to be in the mix year in and year out regardless of sport (and to theirishman, I suggest google for more accurate information on boys basketball as your suggested premise is questionable and limited to one sport.I see what you did there). It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. From what I can understand the Archdiocese of Nola will be sticking with the LHSAA. Some schools that may not be member schools may opt out (St. Paul.highly unlikely imo, DeLaSalle.ditto, and possibly Shaw). Brother Martin has already joined the new association if my source is correct. Who knows what John Curtis will do. As I said, it will be interesting. One side note, if memory serves me correctly, the associations will not be allowed to play one another (see the MPSAA for example). Enjoy! MPSSAA teams do play other teams, but those non-MPSSAA games don't count. Unless that's changed very recently. I've had Perry Hall vs Curley (MIAA) and Leonardtown vs Ryken (WCAC). And there's IAAM also. MIAA had three conferences, WCAC had one, IAAM had one, MPSSAA had four. Granted WCAC covers schools in VA, DC, and MD. Very few MPSSAA schools could compete with MIAA upper conference but would be OK against some of the lower "C" conference schools and IAAM. Personally, I liked that split up there, because it worked up there. Not so sure about down here.
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