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Post by agsurfer on Mar 21, 2016 23:32:23 GMT -6
All good players, coaches and teams want to challenge themselves. Coaches know the best way to get better is to play against the better teams. I have said it before, "To be the best, you have to beat the best." This board goes crazy at times over which team is better, so imagine the "conversations" when multiple state champions are crowned. And heaven forbid the two teams from a division didn't play each other. I can see a whole bunch of hurt feelings coming. We would do well to remember there is always someone or some team that is better out there. It's a shame we have lost sight of the value in not winning. Eliminating competition lessens or may remove the internal drive needed to succeed which is never good. As adults we need to instill in our kids the life lesson, You won't always succeed, but if you continue to work hard and play hard, you will earn/learn self respect and perseverance. I for one have tried to instill in my kids these two qualities.
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Post by coachray40 on Mar 22, 2016 20:42:18 GMT -6
Okay, so let me get this straight..an indeterminate group of public and/or private school administrators are so upset by an imposition of a split in public and private state championship play that the prevailing idea to rectify the dastardly wrong is a..............SPLIT?
The lack of fundamental understanding of the LHSAA bylaws and rules by SO many on this site, along with the regular ANECDOTAL "evidence" (spouted per some indiscriminant "source") is enough to have us all believe that the LA High schools are going flock to pony up $15,000 to join a new organization that has yet to be created and will go into existence by the fall of 2016? Really? And this is a credible example of the best and brightest minds at work redesigning HS athletics in LA?
The LHSAA is not going any where. I don't know where one earlier poster came up with the notion that schools all pay $15000 a year to LHSAA in "fees" (yearly administrative sports fees run about $80/team.20 teams per school would cost a total of $1600.) My school is a faith based private school and it isnt going to spend $15000 to meet Jesus and get into heaven, let alone move to a different HS sports organization that cant guarantee a level playing field in its first year of existence. Whats the incentive? There are a majority of schools that aren't going to invest that money in some untried possibly fly by night organization with no long term guarantees. If you think there will be an en masse migration you're high.
This is the latest in private schools posturing with the "if you don't give us what we want we'll leave" approach. Well, it looks like the biggest thing that going to happen with this approach is the existing organization has gotten tired of hearing it, and will tell them "GO AHEAD". So the answer to an unwanted split, is a wanted one?. Thats the dumbest rationale Ive ever heard of.
Why would public schools leave LHSAA? They are the ones that voted for this. So they can follow the privates and get beaten the same way they are revolting against now? Somebody PLEASE explain the sense behind that. My prediction is that this alternate organization will eventually start, but will be limited in those who join it to larger more affluent privates (not pseudo public selects). The LHSAA will become an organization of Public schools and smaller privates, will stay split, and in the absence of the schools that opted to do their own thing, be very peaceful. After a few years of teeth gnashing by the new organization, a merger will take place between the two, with a "new" public/private state championship format..EXACTLY what is trying to be created right now, but maybe with a few more bones thrown the way of the rejoining privates in terms of immediate eligibility and home attendance zones. So we'll waste a few years and couple hundred thousand dollars and John Curtis and Evangel will still be better at football than a bunch of publics.
This is such a load of crap. Stop feeding the talking heads the trolls and the "sources" and just create a 6 championship (4 public, 2 private) format for each sport. Save us the time and the negative energy
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Post by beauchenecoach on Mar 22, 2016 22:35:44 GMT -6
This wil not happen for next season... Maybe the following at earliest. But by then, I think the private schools will have accepted the new format. It's not saying I agree with the split, but there is no way a new association will survive with this little notice and planning and so few teams... Who will take the risk? Heard many, many private school insiders saying they won't do it next year at all and soils start looking at possibly the following year. Ray pretty much hit it in the head.... Not sure you can do 4 in public school soccer but could do 3 public and 2 private. No matter what, the next couple months will be filled with rumors and talking heads claiming to know everything.... I'd bet you anything, there will be not separate association next season.
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Mar 23, 2016 9:52:01 GMT -6
Okay, so let me get this straight..an indeterminate group of public and/or private school administrators are so upset by an imposition of a split in public and private state championship play that the prevailing idea to rectify the dastardly wrong is a......SPLIT? The lack of fundamental understanding of the LHSAA bylaws and rules by SO many on this site, along with the regular ANECDOTAL "evidence" (spouted per some indiscriminant "source") is enough to have us all believe that the LA High schools are going flock to pony up $15,000 to join a new organization that has yet to be created and will go into existence by the fall of 2016? Really? And this is a credible example of the best and brightest minds at work redesigning HS athletics in LA? The LHSAA is not going any where. I don't know where one earlier poster came up with the notion that schools all pay $15000 a year to LHSAA in "fees" (yearly administrative sports fees run about $80/team.20 teams per school would cost a total of $1600.) My school is a faith based private school and it isnt going to spend $15000 to meet Jesus and get into heaven, let alone move to a different HS sports organization that cant guarantee a level playing field in its first year of existence. Whats the incentive? There are a majority of schools that aren't going to invest that money in some untried possibly fly by night organization with no long term guarantees. If you think there will be an en masse migration you're high. This is the latest in private schools posturing with the "if you don't give us what we want we'll leave" approach. Well, it looks like the biggest thing that going to happen with this approach is the existing organization has gotten tired of hearing it, and will tell them "GO AHEAD". So the answer to an unwanted split, is a wanted one?. Thats the dumbest rationale Ive ever heard of. Why would public schools leave LHSAA? They are the ones that voted for this. So they can follow the privates and get beaten the same way they are revolting against now? Somebody PLEASE explain the sense behind that. My prediction is that this alternate organization will eventually start, but will be limited in those who join it to larger more affluent privates (not pseudo public selects). The LHSAA will become an organization of Public schools and smaller privates, will stay split, and in the absence of the schools that opted to do their own thing, be very peaceful. After a few years of teeth gnashing by the new organization, a merger will take place between the two, with a "new" public/private state championship format..EXACTLY what is trying to be created right now, but maybe with a few more bones thrown the way of the rejoining privates in terms of immediate eligibility and home attendance zones. So we'll waste a few years and couple hundred thousand dollars and John Curtis and Evangel will still be better at football than a bunch of publics. This is such a load of crap. Stop feeding the talking heads the trolls and the "sources" and just create a 6 championship (4 public, 2 private) format for each sport. Save us the time and the negative energy Germans? Forget it, he's rolling.
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Post by chelsea007 on Mar 23, 2016 13:11:59 GMT -6
Ray, FWIW, I don't believe most will favor the split. It looks as though "some" of the larger private/parochial schools may be the ones that join. I know that one such school has already told my school that they won't play as a result of their joining (or intending to). Keep in mind too that the NOLA area has a large number of private and parochial schools that may join (even with excluding the archdoicese!). Travel (and cost for most) won't be an issue. Will it be 60 schools, I wouldn't think so. Half of that is possbile in year one though. The 15,000 fee is not due at once but can be paid over time. You are probably right in saying that the split would just simply lead to a later reunification. That being said, I do see this playing out and maybe as soon as the end of this school year. As I said, it will be interesting.
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Post by onframe on Mar 23, 2016 14:36:47 GMT -6
I'm thinking the split is but one of many reasons the privates, catholics, and some publics (select) want to exit the LHSAA and start their own league. Since the split seems to be the hot topic instigated by disgruntled public schools (non-select), the selects are simply responding. The idea of a split means exactly that, a split. Since LHSAA has sided with the splitters, then what's so bad about EVERYBODY supporting a real and true split? It gives those schools with the will and the funds to start from scratch and form a more perfect union and leave the LHSAA to function without the selects who upset the non-select apple cart in the first place. Why are panties bunching all around the state over that? You want a divorce, then by all means get a divorce. You can't stay married and pretend to be divorced.
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Post by drogba on Apr 13, 2016 15:02:30 GMT -6
We will see what happens tomorrow I believe the meeting was scheduled for the 14th. I think if the Lhsaa agrees to just keep split in football everything will be fine but obviously that is not a good solution for many.
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Post by time2retire on Apr 13, 2016 20:08:08 GMT -6
We will see what happens tomorrow I believe the meeting was scheduled for the 14th. I think if the Lhsaa agrees to just keep split in football everything will be fine but obviously that is not a good solution for many. At the LHSAA office? Open to public?
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 14, 2016 10:41:37 GMT -6
It was interesting to me that the question was posed to the players selected for All Acadiana team and none of them favored it. You know a student advisory panel for LHSAA might not be a bad idea.
It could be as simple as surveys sent to the panel on certain issues. Not that this would be binding but I think high school students opinions should be taken into account for issues like this.
Just an idea....
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Post by drogba on Apr 14, 2016 14:33:59 GMT -6
BATON ROUGE – After three years of debate, there finally is a path to an end of the split in all the state’s prep sports, at least among those competing in the two highest classifications.
After more than three hours of discussion and debate Thursday, an executive committee of the Louisiana High School Athletic Association voted 11-10 in favor of presenting a new proposal to the state’s principals. The new plan will be presented in a special session, assuming committee president Vic Bonnaffee signs off on it, which he has stated he will.
As of early Thursday afternoon, there is no timetable for when that session might be held.
If passed, the new proposal, which was put together after four meetings of the school relations committee, would completely end the segregation of classifications among public and private schools in all classes.
It also would re-join Classes 5A and 4A back together with no exceptions, and it also would merge Classes B and C. Classes 3A, 2A and 1A would remain split, but would be divided by rural and metro.
In other words, the Catholic League would be back competing in Class 5A in football and all other sports, but metro-area schools in other classifications not in 4A or 5A would remained split.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 14, 2016 15:59:51 GMT -6
What's the purpose of urban and rural and how is it defined?
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Post by loJic on Apr 14, 2016 17:56:44 GMT -6
Did I just read this correctly? So all 5a and 4a schools will be one classification?
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Post by kevin on Apr 15, 2016 8:54:42 GMT -6
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Post by loJic on Apr 15, 2016 9:12:09 GMT -6
Thanks, A little slow on that one. Or maybe I finally thought my dream was coming true of 5A and 4A merging. *sigh*
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Post by Steven Gerrard on Apr 15, 2016 9:55:23 GMT -6
I too thought that it would have 5A and 4A combined, but that is not the case.
What does this do to John Curtis and Evangel? I guess they would compete in 2A metro and 3A metro? After all, those are the two schools that started the whole issue.
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Post by drogba on Apr 15, 2016 10:25:08 GMT -6
We heard locally that Curtis would play 5a all sports. I think the good news is that if this passes which I really am not sure it will and probably doubt it but if it does I think Soccer would get left as it was last year. We shall see.
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Post by chelsea007 on Apr 15, 2016 14:12:48 GMT -6
Yet my ideas are too radical?
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