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Post by alto1smom on Jan 31, 2017 22:08:24 GMT -6
I recently found out that LSA who is closed for the holidays through January 1st is denying a kid access to play soccer because her paper work was not complete by January 1st. The parents have confirmation from Dec 29th but that's not enough. Leslie Mullins where are you. You might not have been popular but you were FAIR to children!
Do you guys ever wonder why Louisiana is the laughing stock of the soccer community at large-this is why! Do what right by kids in youth soccer!
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Post by time2retire on Jan 31, 2017 22:14:22 GMT -6
Who have you reached out to at LSA to try and remedy your situation?
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Post by alto1smom on Jan 31, 2017 22:27:07 GMT -6
Everyone and only Jeff responded. Tucker and Mark have been copied to all emails. The clincher is the kid is an 06 so we are not talking high school age. This is a baby! No one else would respond. I think it's the game of if I don't say anything I won't be implicated. The registration was completed on Dec29 so if your deadline is Jan 1 and you are closed you can clearly read the date the registration was completed.
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Post by Timbertwin on Jan 31, 2017 22:27:14 GMT -6
The policy, which was passed unanimously by all member clubs last year, states that a transfer player after January 1 is not eligible to play in LCSL, RPL or state tournaments.
All clubs were aware of this, and all clubs were well aware of the closure dates of the LSA office. The blame for tardiness in submitting a transfer would lie first with those responsible for submitting such paperwork.
Once more, every LSA club voted in favor of this policy when it passed last year for 16-17.
The player may play with the team for friendlies and invitational tournaments.
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Post by alto1smom on Jan 31, 2017 22:45:53 GMT -6
Correct clubs voted with one individual who clearly didn't report back to the rest of the club or parents. When rules are changed and the paying body doesn't know it's adult incompetence which is the poster word of LSA! In the end the child suffers over a new rule and all of that paperwork and the requirements should be on the registration. No surprises! The paperwork should be clear and concise to COVER the adults who don't communicate well. My vote is that we start a petition and maybe even a protest walk to get justice for a baby! After all we are the ones paying all the bills. The clubs and LSA would cease to exist if we exercised our power to be treated fairly!
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Post by alto1smom on Jan 31, 2017 22:52:19 GMT -6
I'm no attorney but if you take my money and accept my registration but neglect to provide all of the documents I need to be successful and deny me the service I paid for, I think this is grounds for a law suit!
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Post by thedudeabides on Jan 31, 2017 23:02:14 GMT -6
I'm no attorney but if you take my money and accept my registration but neglect to provide all of the documents I need to be successful and deny me the service I paid for, I think this is grounds for a law suit! This post belongs on club soccer! I'm no attorney, but one call and Morris Bart is willing to kick your ball! Good luck but but I think your ____. You can fill in the rest!
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 1, 2017 7:07:38 GMT -6
Everyone wants a hard and fast rule......until it affects THEM adversely.
I've never seen THAT before.......
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Post by footy on Feb 1, 2017 7:29:12 GMT -6
So an '06 player will be barred from playing or forced to spend spring demoralizing lesser players. Somehow we appear to have lost sight of the purpose behind club soccer.
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Post by Rabid Monkey on Feb 1, 2017 7:31:49 GMT -6
So an '06 player will be barred from playing or forced to spend spring demoralizing lesser players. Somehow we appear to have lost sight of the purpose behind club soccer. Pretty sure we lost sight of the purpose behind club soccer long ago - PAY TO PLAY is here to stay!
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Post by alto1smom on Feb 1, 2017 9:22:09 GMT -6
I'm no attorney but if you take my money and accept my registration but neglect to provide all of the documents I need to be successful and deny me the service I paid for, I think this is grounds for a law suit! This post belongs on club soccer! I'm no attorney, but one call and Morris Bart is willing to kick your ball! Good luck but but I think your ____. You can fill in the rest!
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Post by alto1smom on Feb 1, 2017 9:31:34 GMT -6
You don't need Morris Bart. You come kick my balls! Everyone knows who I am and where to find me! Been busting balls for years!
FYI it's not my kid. I only fight like hell for other people's children because my kids know to expect the worse always! We have risen and will continue to rise because we know the game! My eldest is one of the few ambassadors for youth players who want to play at a higher level and brings attention to the overlooked talent In This state every time she has the opportunity!
You can't enforce a rule with timelines when you are COB!
You should have all paperwork available to ensure business is conducted properly!
You are hurting children, but they never seem to matter!
Good news is I know Two teams that have reached out to me stating they are NOT playing in the league because of this. It will be funny to see how long rules last when the money is stalled!
Like I have said for years now LA Soccer has to do something to earn respect nationwide and hurting children is not the way to do it!
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Post by alto1smom on Feb 1, 2017 9:36:03 GMT -6
Everyone wants a hard and fast rule..until it affects THEM adversely. I've never seen THAT before... Doesn't affect me at all! It affects CHILDREN! My eldest is playing in college getting a degree for FREE! My youngest is playing on a fine oiled machine and is having a great time enjoying a few college nods as an 8th grader. Does that make the argument better now since it's not my child or personal gain I'm fighting for?
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Post by 3balz on Feb 1, 2017 10:06:44 GMT -6
You don't need Morris Bart. You come kick my balls! Everyone knows who I am and where to find me! Been busting balls for years! FYI it's not my kid. I only fight like hell for other people's children because my kids know to expect the worse always! We have risen and will continue to rise because we know the game! My eldest is one of the few ambassadors for youth players who want to play at a higher level and brings attention to the overlooked talent In This state every time she has the opportunity! You can't enforce a rule with timelines when you are COB! You should have all paperwork available to ensure business is conducted properly! You are hurting children, but they never seem to matter! Good news is I know Two teams that have reached out to me stating they are NOT playing in the league because of this. It will be funny to see how long rules last when the money is stalled! Like I have said for years now LA Soccer has to do something to earn respect nationwide and hurting children is not the way to do it! I completely understand your frustration and maybe by bringing this to the attention of everyone here you may get something done about it. Because they were closed Jan 1 isn't a great argument. Were they supposed to stay open until midnight? Certainly, the rule could be written better. We end up with rules like this because there are always some who take advantage when no rule is in place. See late season game cancellations for playoff seeding purposes thread.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 1, 2017 10:12:43 GMT -6
So they won't let you add players before state cup any longer? We have done so every year to combat injuries. I didn't see the issue but apparently some had a problem with it.
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Post by cosmos on Feb 1, 2017 10:31:07 GMT -6
So they won't let you add players before state cup any longer? We have done so every year to combat injuries. I didn't see the issue but apparently some had a problem with it. I hope/think this about transferring from one club to another and not moving from one team to another within a club.
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 1, 2017 11:07:21 GMT -6
Everyone wants a hard and fast rule..until it affects THEM adversely. I've never seen THAT before. Doesn't affect me at all! It affects CHILDREN! My eldest is playing in college getting a degree for FREE! My youngest is playing on a fine oiled machine and is having a great time enjoying a few college nods as an 8th grader. Does that make the argument better now since it's not my child or personal gain I'm fighting for? No it affected this child in this case. Had this rule not been in existence and a team that your younger childs "fine oiled machine" would have to play against went and grabbed up 3-4 players through unregulated transfer (no, that's never happened before.....) and beat them, then you might have a different tune.
I would expect that someone with such an extensive soccer mom resume would know that the best way to deal with LSA's perceived inability to get things done would be to get everything done way early.....and especially around the Christmas holidays.
Your problem isn't the rule, its the way you feel it was administered in this case. That doesn't make it a problem for all children. Just this one in this case. Its unfortunate, but in this case its a 10 year old--who will not get to play on her (or her parents, or the coach in questions) "team of choice" for one season because LSA and its voting members choose to regulate player movement as a means to keep a level playing field. And they do so because there's ALWAYS somebody with an "its not fair to ME" exception. I'm disappointed LSA didn't do a better job of informing everyone statewide of their office hours. I applaud them for sticking to the rule. This will pass and the player wont cave in because they don't get to play where they want for one spring season
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 1, 2017 12:02:44 GMT -6
Fascists? cold hearted soccer cabal? Lighten up Francis...................
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 1, 2017 12:16:27 GMT -6
You cant DEMAND compromise
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Post by alto1smom on Feb 1, 2017 16:15:01 GMT -6
Doesn't affect me at all! It affects CHILDREN! My eldest is playing in college getting a degree for FREE! My youngest is playing on a fine oiled machine and is having a great time enjoying a few college nods as an 8th grader. Does that make the argument better now since it's not my child or personal gain I'm fighting for? No it affected this child in this case. Had this rule not been in existence and a team that your younger childs "fine oiled machine" would have to play against went and grabbed up 3-4 players through unregulated transfer (no, that's never happened before...) and beat them, then you might have a different tune.
I would expect that someone with such an extensive soccer mom resume would know that the best way to deal with LSA's perceived inability to get things done would be to get everything done way early...and especially around the Christmas holidays.
Your problem isn't the rule, its the way you feel it was administered in this case. That doesn't make it a problem for all children. Just this one in this case. Its unfortunate, but in this case its a 10 year old--who will not get to play on her (or her parents, or the coach in questions) "team of choice" for one season because LSA and its voting members choose to regulate player movement as a means to keep a level playing field. And they do so because there's ALWAYS somebody with an "its not fair to ME" exception. I'm disappointed LSA didn't do a better job of informing everyone statewide of their office hours. I applaud them for sticking to the rule. This will pass and the player wont cave in because they don't get to play where they want for one spring season
[bra You are correct in my experience has taught me, but clearly new parents should not have to learn the same way. Is it not our responsibility to be professional? Clearly that isn't your expectation of LSA because you stated any deadline must be met a half month before. The problem is the incompetence in how this is handled. My experience has taught me Kids don't leave fine oiled machines because winning is so rewarding. The only people who leave are the ones not satisfied with playing time. My experience has taught me both clubs sign off on transfers so no kid is released if the club chooses to hold on to them, thus the rule isn't relevant. If I knew about the situation prior to it happening I would have advised the family better. By the way 2 more families have reached since this thread! Parents have some accountability in this yes! However, we seem to forget that this is a service being sold. People in the service industry survive by offering great products. LSA needs to be transparent, clear and concise. No parent should have to hunt for paperwork and research to pay for a service! Do the right thing or regund these families! My experience has also taught me there will never be anther Steve, Henry and Blake to keep youth soccer honest!
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