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Post by MC2 on Feb 6, 2017 21:54:37 GMT -6
I'm trying to get an understanding of why a yellow card was issued and the procedure in which it was issued. My center back was defending and the attacker went down inside the 18. The ball was saved by the keeper. No foul was called although he went to check on the player. About a minute later when the ball was on our attacking half when there was stoppage, the CR approached my right fullback to issue her a yellow card for what happened between my center back and their attacker in the 18. After she convinced him it wasn't her, he approached my CB and gave her a yellow. Shortly after issuing the yellow he blew the final whistle. I've never seen this happen before. Can someone help make sense of this to me?
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Post by time2retire on Feb 6, 2017 22:26:42 GMT -6
Playoff game?
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 6, 2017 22:40:25 GMT -6
Could it have been language?
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Post by CoachD on Feb 7, 2017 6:19:23 GMT -6
I have this play on film. Your GK actually saved the shot and punted. The CR allowed play to continue until the next stoppage before issuing the yellow.
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Post by MC2 on Feb 7, 2017 7:46:05 GMT -6
I have this play on film. Your GK actually saved the shot and punted. The CR allowed play to continue until the next stoppage before issuing the yellow. You are correct that our keeper punted the ball. It was hard to tell from our film. You may have had a better angle as to why the yellow was issued but I would have thought had there been a foul your team would have been awarded a PK. Not saying this cost us the game because it didn't. Just trying to understand the call, the process and why he didn;t issue the card when he checked on the player.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 7, 2017 12:53:29 GMT -6
IF you ask the referee he is required to explain why the caution was issued. I'm not going to guess why, because it would be a guess. Next time, ask for explanation.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 7, 2017 12:54:09 GMT -6
Has no bearing on procedures, you know that.
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Post by CoachD on Feb 7, 2017 21:23:13 GMT -6
I have a pretty good angle. The initial foul was outside of the 18 so it would not have been a PK.
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Post by premier on Feb 7, 2017 21:42:26 GMT -6
From the referee's angle, I would agree with his assessment and call. The attacker played through the foul and got the shot off which would negate calling the foul (I.e. Playing advantage) since the keeper collected the ball and continued play, the referee made the correct decision in allowing play to continue until the next stoppage of play to issue the card. I'm sure the documentation was for unsporting behavior (tactical foul to prevent the attacker from having an 1v1 opportunity)
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Post by time2retire on Feb 7, 2017 22:02:09 GMT -6
I suppose the only thing missing is an upswing of the arms (advantage signal), but there is not foul-worthy contact in the penalty area, and I agree the attacking player gets a legit shot on goal. It looks like the referee may have even went to the defending player to let her know she was in the book at the stoppage. I don't have an issue with advantage and coming back at the stoppage in this case. Correct decision IMO.
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Post by time2retire on Feb 7, 2017 22:05:45 GMT -6
Would you rather a shot from 10 with just the goalkeeper to beat, or a free kick from 20 with 9 to beat?
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Post by Sanofi-Aventis on Feb 8, 2017 10:27:39 GMT -6
From the referee's angle, I would agree with his assessment and call. The attacker played through the foul and got the shot off which would negate calling the foul (I.e. Playing advantage) since the keeper collected the ball and continued play, the referee made the correct decision in allowing play to continue until the next stoppage of play to issue the card. I'm sure the documentation was for unsporting behavior (tactical foul to prevent the attacker from having an 1v1 opportunity) Agree with Premier's assessment.
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Post by MC2 on Feb 8, 2017 16:57:33 GMT -6
I have a pretty good angle. The initial foul was outside of the 18 so it would not have been a PK. WOW! What a difference between your video and ours. You definitely had a better angle than we did. It certainly changes everything and it all makes sense now. The angle of our video does not allow us to see our defenders elbow come up like that. It truly is all about the angle. We happened to be the benefactor of an apparent hand ball when we scored. Like I said before, not whining just trying to get an understanding and this makes it very clear. I'm sorry for your loss last night. We were pulling for you. Thank you again for your hospitality, you were great hosts.
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Post by italiafan on Feb 9, 2017 7:55:34 GMT -6
As a coach and former referee I agree completely with allowing the attacker to play through since the foul was committed outside the area. If this occurs in the area the referee would allow 2-3 seconds to play on and than award a PK if the attacking player doesn't score. As a referee the worst feeling is calling a foul and 2 seconds later the ball is in the back of the net.
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Post by happyjack on Feb 9, 2017 8:46:31 GMT -6
Not sure that every referee would award a PK if the attacker doesn't score. She takes the shot and keeper stops it, goes wide, whiffs, none of these as the result of the foul that occurred. You give a 2nd bite of the apple? Each situation is different, and must be evaluated as such.
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Post by MC2 on Feb 9, 2017 9:24:51 GMT -6
Understand that this thread was created based on the video footage we had. It was a different angle, filmed from the opposite end, and the clarity wasn't that great. I did not see the contact at B the 20 and it appeared that whatever was called was inside the 18. After seeing the footage provided by Neville's coach, everything makes sense. It's amazing how much of a difference the angle and clarity of this video made. That's why I hold my tongue as much as possible during games. I know that sometimes what I see is not what an official sees based on the angle each of us has.
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Post by CoachD on Feb 9, 2017 20:47:39 GMT -6
WOW! What a difference between your video and ours. You definitely had a better angle than we did. It certainly changes everything and it all makes sense now. The angle of our video does not allow us to see our defenders elbow come up like that. It truly is all about the angle. We happened to be the benefactor of an apparent hand ball when we scored. Like I said before, not whining just trying to get an understanding and this makes it very clear. I'm sorry for your loss last night. We were pulling for you. Thank you again for your hospitality, you were great hosts. Thank you coach. Our match was a nail biter. I guess we both scored a questionable goal. Your team played hard and your GK made some great saves. I'm glad to hear we were able to make you and your team feel welcome. Best of luck to you and your team next season. We were very disappointing with the way we played Tuesday night. Central LaFourche had a good team and they showed up to play. We only lose one starter this year so I'm looking forward to seeing how this young team develops.
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