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Post by 0coachchris0 on Apr 11, 2017 13:56:50 GMT -6
Beware of a wolf in sheep’s clothing… Many of the posts have been speculating possible motivations, but all you need to do is simply connect the dots to find the obvious truth. This is an elaborate marketing scheme designed to push the best players from the smaller clubs to the big 5 clubs. The initiative may have started out about development, but the fine print restrictions are about money. The more disturbing thing here is that LSA seems to be complicit in the scheme, and I thought they were supposed to represent all the clubs? LSA always talks as if this LPDL was our idea, but I was at the competitive committee meeting when it was first introduced and I assure you it was a finished product not open to modification day one. Many of the clubs said they believed it should have been a regional not club based concept, but that was not up for discussion. It was suggested that the very stringent requirements necessary for a club to qualify to be an LPDL club should be phased in over time so that more could qualify, that was not up for discussion. We were told day one that there would be 5 LPDL clubs (interesting number, I am sure there is no correlation to the big 5 clubs) and their locations would be in New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Mandeville, Lafayette and Shreveport. There are very distinctive signs that this is designed to get as many players as they can up front for the big clubs, then make it difficult to undo even if the LPDL falls flat on its face year one. First sign, “there will only be 5 LPDL teams in each division”, not so subtle. Second sign, “the LPDL teams will NOT have a roster cap”, grab as many players as you can at the beginning because in the LPDL we can defy reality and play everyone? Third sign, “you can only transfer back and forth to a team within the LPDL club with an exception you can go back to your small club if that is where you came from”. Only one problem, in order to get placed on one of these LPDL teams you must tryout at the big club and probably register there as well… Buyers beware, this is a bait and switch. Final sign, the LPDL teams are pretty much immune to every LSA rule out there including recruiting restrictions. Wake up and speak up, because this is a sham. I want the player development to improve in Louisiana too, but this initiative is more of the same. Any initiative that has a chance at success must be a collaborative effort that is not deceptive or exclusive, and collaborative does not happen when you come to a competition committee meeting a drop a plan that is not open to modification or improvement to make it more inclusive. This initiative NEVER addressed the small clubs that are producing highly competitive teams in C1, and contradicting the notion that only the big 5 know how to develop players in Louisiana… Amen, brotha!
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Post by snoopy1 on Apr 11, 2017 14:57:13 GMT -6
My child only has 2 years left - 1in LPDL - but I wish he were just beginning competitive soccer so he could Play 4-5 years in LPDL. I believe he would be a better player today. It offers what I was looking for when we began 10 years ago. Instead, we played league/tournament soccer where winning outweighed development. Was what parents wanted for the money they shelled out. Our kids payed the price. I think Tucker etal have done a good job.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 11, 2017 20:16:17 GMT -6
Honestly, I miss the D1 days. You had options then. If you wanted less of a commitment and cost, you could do that. If you wanted more commitment and training, you could play premier.
I get about developing the elite player but how many do you honestly think are in the state?
This LPDL is still going to be about winning. It's about business and driving out competition. With unlimited roster sizes, what will end up happening is clubs will put way too many players on these teams. Some players will not play hardly at all. How much development are the bottom tier players going to get on a 25-30 player roster?
It won't affect our life as we will be out in a year. It will be interesting to see.
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Post by jefe on Apr 12, 2017 8:10:45 GMT -6
LPDL is a move in the right direction by LSA/Tucker. I understand the perspectives from the individuals who have provided input on this thread....end of the day you need to find the right environment for the player, having multiple options is a good thing. We moved to LA from OR/NorCal and have seen this type of evolution happen...from a holistic view it will improve the quality of soccer in LA. It is hard to evolve/transform and make everyone happy.
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Post by footy on Apr 12, 2017 8:26:03 GMT -6
The only major problems I see are the unrestricted roster size while having player transfer restrictions. Either keep the regular roster size restrictions or institute a rule that if a player isn't getting 50% playing time they should be allowed to transfer unrestricted to any other team LPDL or other.
ETA- Not to imply that all players deserve equal playing time but if a player is not deemed useful enough by a coach to play they should be free to go where they can.
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Post by coachguam on Apr 12, 2017 12:54:05 GMT -6
I do not dispute Tucker initially was trying to improve player development in Louisiana, but my issue is that he needed to win support not mandate it… This is the dilemma that LPDL will face, you will have teams in the LPDL that are inferior to teams in C1 next year. These teams will have been allowed entry based on their club and not on their merit? If development is what you seek, in order to develop the best, then you must play the best. We cannot manufacture success, it must be earned.
If development is truly our goal, then I propose there should be two methods of playing in the LPDL:
One, adhering to the strict guidelines that may or may not be the best way to develop players?
Two, teams displaying through competitive success that they deserve to be included in the highest level of player development and competition? This way acknowledges that there are other successful methods of developing players, and rewards them for it. In this process, we might as a state discover how to raise the level together rather than apart…
My proposal is quite simple:
If a non-big five team (small club team) finishes this year ahead of a prospective LPDL team in a particular age classification, then they are allowed to compete in the LPDL league for that age division next year. This would mean that we may need to go above 5 teams in order to accommodate this provision, but teams/clubs would be given an opportunity to display that their development program can match the desired outcome of LPDL. They might even provide some best practices to improve the LPDL model, and this way we all work towards the goal of improving the development of Louisiana players. Key thing being collaboration!
However, if the big five development programs are superior, then eventually they will eliminate these inferior clubs/teams through competition not mandate. This way the results cannot be disputed, and the outcome is not manufactured… If LSA will not adopt this model, then it is about promoting the larger clubs at the detriment to the smaller clubs (ultimately money) and not really about player development.
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Post by jefe on Apr 13, 2017 7:20:02 GMT -6
coachguam - from your post it looks like your perspective is from a specific C1 team that is not part of the initial LPDL formation. I understand your view point and not sure if those options will be considered in the future.
If the LPDL creates opportunities for players I am all for it. Players in LA have to work harder to create opportunities for themselves....like swimming upstream as opposed to players who are part of an ECNL club where it is a downstream journey to reach the same destination - just part of the natural flow for their club/market.
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Post by laffysoccermom on May 29, 2017 11:10:59 GMT -6
I will give you example of why I think this is not about players and about protecting the big clubs monopoly. And before I start- I have nothing to do with any of these clubs and teams. I don't even know any of them.
Prime example is U15 girls- Covington Soccer Club won State Cup this year. They came in second in LCSL. There's no an LODL bracket for U16 but if there was, this team would not be allowed to participate despite proving they are better and this coach is probably developing the players as well or better than most of the big clubs.
So the parents- what do they do? Leave their smaller club to go to a bigger club to play at the highest level that they are not allowed despite proving that they deserve it? Oh and you may have to pay twice what you're been paying to do it. (Haven't compared these clubs fees but smaller clubs are generally less).
The girls? Suddenly they're told despite beating most of the big clubs- you can't be in the highest league cause you're locked out but you can transfer to one of them.
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Post by cosmos on Jun 1, 2017 8:22:18 GMT -6
There are always winners and losers with every change. A lot of change lately. The age change and now this.
I do not think it will be too often at the older ages that a top team in the state will be outside of the 5 largest clubs. It can happen though and this team is an example of that.
I think it will be more often that the 4th or 5th best team in the state might be excluded from the LPDL. Comp 1 will be diluted some now between U14-19, especially at the U15 and U17 ages.
This particular team will probably be OK. They already go to college showcase tournaments such as Disney to play top competition. They can stay in the LSA and/or join a regional league. If they stay they can defend their title at the state cup even at the LPDL ages.
I am not saying the formation of and favoring of very large clubs is the perfect model. Success of the top team at the very large clubs often becomes more about attracting top players from other clubs than developing their own players on their lower team. It is though what has been happening in other states also for many years. A few select very large clubs are awarded DA teams. The model of many very small clubs sending top players to ODP is in the past.
It is also necessary to have larger clubs to consistently form competitive teams at the older ages of U16-U19. I mean even some "large" clubs now find it necessary to form alliance teams.
We will have to wait and see if mimicking this DA model in Louisina will elevate soccer in the state or if it is just a new comp 1. Probably the best way to measure its success or faillure is the quality of college soccer programs that Louisiana players attend starting in about 5 years compared to the past.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Jun 1, 2017 18:06:10 GMT -6
Truthfully, I don't see the point of limiting it to large clubs. I have a suggestion- make competitive brackets at ages U15 and up 2 age groups combined. Just have U15, U17, and U19. Divide up into comp 1, 2 etc based on results. End of year top team in each bracket moves up and bottom team drops.
You could do some sort of play in weekend at beginnng of season to allow for teams to challenge to move up if they were in the top however many.
Or if these large clubs want to be a DA work towards getting that status and go whole hog. I don't think you'd have the support to leave high school soccer but go ahead and try.
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Post by fctsoccer on Jan 27, 2018 15:30:53 GMT -6
I will give you example of why I think this is not about players and about protecting the big clubs monopoly. And before I start- I have nothing to do with any of these clubs and teams. I don't even know any of them. Prime example is U15 girls- Covington Soccer Club won State Cup this year. They came in second in LCSL. There's no an LODL bracket for U16 but if there was, this team would not be allowed to participate despite proving they are better and this coach is probably developing the players as well or better than most of the big clubs. So the parents- what do they do? Leave their smaller club to go to a bigger club to play at the highest level that they are not allowed despite proving that they deserve it? Oh and you may have to pay twice what you're been paying to do it. (Haven't compared these clubs fees but smaller clubs are generally less). The girls? Suddenly they're told despite beating most of the big clubs- you can't be in the highest league cause you're locked out but you can transfer to one of them. You hit the nail on the head. The CYSA FC Tammany Tigers are the 2-time defending state champs. They are currently undefeated in the Southern Regional Premier League through 8 games. They just went undefeated in a top bracket at the Disney Soccer Showcase. They were finalists in the Jefferson Cup last year, and will be competing again in the 2018 Jefferson Cup and, hopefully, the 2018 Surf Cup. But CYSA FC Tammany will not be able to compete in league play next year against the big 5 clubs because of lack of LPDL status. And if the big 5 clubs had their way, this team would not be permitted to compete in the State Cup. Bigger is not always better. Hard work and a commitment to excellence produce results, not protecting the market interests of 5 clubs. Excellence can manifest in all shapes and sizes.
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Post by dme1214 on Jan 27, 2018 16:02:46 GMT -6
I will give you example of why I think this is not about players and about protecting the big clubs monopoly. And before I start- I have nothing to do with any of these clubs and teams. I don't even know any of them. Prime example is U15 girls- Covington Soccer Club won State Cup this year. They came in second in LCSL. There's no an LODL bracket for U16 but if there was, this team would not be allowed to participate despite proving they are better and this coach is probably developing the players as well or better than most of the big clubs. So the parents- what do they do? Leave their smaller club to go to a bigger club to play at the highest level that they are not allowed despite proving that they deserve it? Oh and you may have to pay twice what you're been paying to do it. (Haven't compared these clubs fees but smaller clubs are generally less). The girls? Suddenly they're told despite beating most of the big clubs- you can't be in the highest league cause you're locked out but you can transfer to one of them. You hit the nail on the head. The CYSA FC Tammany Tigers are the 2-time defending state champs. They are currently undefeated in the Southern Regional Premier League through 8 games. They just went undefeated in a top bracket at the Disney Soccer Showcase. They were finalists in the Jefferson Cup last year, and will be competing again in the 2018 Jefferson Cup and, hopefully, the 2018 Surf Cup. But CYSA FC Tammany will not be able to compete in league play next year against the big 5 clubs because of lack of LPDL status. And if the big 5 clubs had their way, this team would not be permitted to compete in the State Cup. Bigger is not always better. Hard work and a commitment to excellence produce results, not protecting the market interests of 5 clubs. Excellence can manifest in all shapes and sizes. I was under the impression that the 02 Tammany Tigers is a team made of or kids from more then just the Northshore area? Am I wrong in this or is this really an all star team, in the same way the 97 Fire team became, and didn't this team start off at Mandeville soccer club, then move to Slidell and finally end up at Covington? This is in no way to question the hard work the coach and players put in to be as good as they are, just painting the whole picture.
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Post by fctsoccer on Jan 27, 2018 16:48:35 GMT -6
You hit the nail on the head. The CYSA FC Tammany Tigers are the 2-time defending state champs. They are currently undefeated in the Southern Regional Premier League through 8 games. They just went undefeated in a top bracket at the Disney Soccer Showcase. They were finalists in the Jefferson Cup last year, and will be competing again in the 2018 Jefferson Cup and, hopefully, the 2018 Surf Cup. But CYSA FC Tammany will not be able to compete in league play next year against the big 5 clubs because of lack of LPDL status. And if the big 5 clubs had their way, this team would not be permitted to compete in the State Cup. Bigger is not always better. Hard work and a commitment to excellence produce results, not protecting the market interests of 5 clubs. Excellence can manifest in all shapes and sizes. I was under the impression that the 02 Tammany Tigers is a team made of or kids from more then just the Northshore area? Am I wrong in this or is this really an all star team, in the same way the 97 Fire team became, and didn't this team start off at Mandeville soccer club, then move to Slidell and finally end up at Covington? This is in no way to question the hard work the coach and players put in to be as good as they are, just painting the whole picture. We currently have 18 players from the Northshore, and 6 from the Southshore. Team has been affiliated with CYSA since U-13. Coach was a Mandeville Academy coach who formed FCT as a US Club tournament team to provide a platform for soccer outside of the traditional LSA season (which only lasted for approx. 6 out of 12 months) for those players/families wanting to play year round. Went to Slidell for a season. Been at CYSA ever since. My only point was that large clubs do not possess some “secret formula” for developing soccer players. We have been without the infrastructure of the big clubs for many years, yet continue to thrive on the field. The overwhelming majority of FCT players have been developed outside of the big clubs. Curiously, FCT was originally ridiculed for particular developmental philosophies that LPDL has now mandated from its 5 LPDL clubs. I guess these philosophies are harmful when they originate from a volunteer coach, yet wise and transcendent when emanating from big pay-for-play clubs. 😊 You simply do not have to be a member of a big club and pay serious $$$ to compete at the highest levels of youth soccer. FCT’s fees are approx. $650 per season (Fall & Spring), which includes LSA registration, SRPL registration, Showcase tournament fees, referee fees, 3 uniforms, backpack, duffle bag, training suit, practice jerseys, training balls, and a pre-match jersey. Coaches volunteer their time and talents.
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Post by dme1214 on Jan 27, 2018 17:40:36 GMT -6
I was under the impression that the 02 Tammany Tigers is a team made of or kids from more then just the Northshore area? Am I wrong in this or is this really an all star team, in the same way the 97 Fire team became, and didn't this team start off at Mandeville soccer club, then move to Slidell and finally end up at Covington? This is in no way to question the hard work the coach and players put in to be as good as they are, just painting the whole picture. We currently have 18 players from the Northshore, and 6 from the Southshore. Team has been affiliated with CYSA since U-13. Coach was a Mandeville Academy coach who formed FCT as a US Club tournament team to provide a platform for soccer outside of the traditional LSA season (which only lasted for approx. 6 out of 12 months) for those players/families wanting to play year round. Went to Slidell for a season. Been at CYSA ever since. My only point was that large clubs do not possess some “secret formula” for developing soccer players. We have been without the infrastructure of the big clubs for many years, yet continue to thrive on the field. The overwhelming majority of FCT players have been developed outside of the big clubs. Curiously, FCT was originally ridiculed for particular developmental philosophies that LPDL has now mandated from its 5 LPDL clubs. I guess these philosophies are harmful when they originate from a volunteer coach, yet wise and transcendent when emanating from big pay-for-play clubs. 😊 You simply do not have to be a member of a big club and pay serious $$$ to compete at the highest levels of youth soccer. FCT’s fees are approx. $650 per season (Fall & Spring), which includes LSA registration, SRPL registration, Showcase tournament fees, referee fees, 3 uniforms, backpack, duffle bag, training suit, practice jerseys, training balls, and a pre-match jersey. Coaches volunteer their time and talents. [sbr] Thank you for the background, and the system your team is working under is obviously working, I remember playing your team at u10 academy in a Lafayette tournament, we did not fare well Good luck to you this spring.
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Post by 3balz on Jan 28, 2018 22:06:27 GMT -6
I was under the impression that the 02 Tammany Tigers is a team made of or kids from more then just the Northshore area? Am I wrong in this or is this really an all star team, in the same way the 97 Fire team became, and didn't this team start off at Mandeville soccer club, then move to Slidell and finally end up at Covington? This is in no way to question the hard work the coach and players put in to be as good as they are, just painting the whole picture. We currently have 18 players from the Northshore, and 6 from the Southshore. Team has been affiliated with CYSA since U-13. Coach was a Mandeville Academy coach who formed FCT as a US Club tournament team to provide a platform for soccer outside of the traditional LSA season (which only lasted for approx. 6 out of 12 months) for those players/families wanting to play year round. Went to Slidell for a season. Been at CYSA ever since. My only point was that large clubs do not possess some “secret formula” for developing soccer players. We have been without the infrastructure of the big clubs for many years, yet continue to thrive on the field. The overwhelming majority of FCT players have been developed outside of the big clubs. Curiously, FCT was originally ridiculed for particular developmental philosophies that LPDL has now mandated from its 5 LPDL clubs. I guess these philosophies are harmful when they originate from a volunteer coach, yet wise and transcendent when emanating from big pay-for-play clubs. 😊 You simply do not have to be a member of a big club and pay serious $$$ to compete at the highest levels of youth soccer. FCT’s fees are approx. $650 per season (Fall & Spring), which includes LSA registration, SRPL registration, Showcase tournament fees, referee fees, 3 uniforms, backpack, duffle bag, training suit, practice jerseys, training balls, and a pre-match jersey. Coaches volunteer their time and talents. The solution is easy. All we need is a bunch of very good coaches to volunteer their time. We can have low cost, high level soccer and LA teams will then compete with any large club in the country.
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Post by goalie1 on Jan 29, 2018 9:44:07 GMT -6
Other than a few extra hours of practice, a few more dollars and the same response from parental input ...the same LSA mediocre results
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Post by fctsoccer on Jan 29, 2018 21:52:13 GMT -6
Other than a few extra hours of practice, a few more dollars and the same response from parental input .the same LSA mediocre results Same clubs, same players, and same coaches. Only thing different is the packaging.
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