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Post by fctsoccer on Feb 3, 2018 13:02:44 GMT -6
So . LSA just released its policy for integrating LPDL and LCSL within the State Cup. See image below.
Can anyone justify why the top 5 seeds are AUTOMATICALLY reserved for LPDL team? How is that policy not blatantly discriminatory towards non-LPDL (read: smaller) clubs? I understand that LPDL clubs would likely earn a disproportionate share of the top seeds for State Cup. But LSA’s policy automatically reserves these seeds for the 5 LPDL clubs, notwithstanding the actual on-the-field merits of all LSA competitive teams.
So next year, there is a plausible scenario in which CYSA FC Tammany Tigers 02 could be the 3-time defending State Cup champion, defending SRPL champion, defending LCSL champion, and PLAYING IN THE USYS NATIONAL LEAGUE, yet we would be (at best) seeded #6 in the U-17 State Cup just because CYSA is not a LPDL Club. How is this fair? FC Tammany has not lost a competitive game against an in-state opponent since U-13.
Not looking for an argument, just some insight about how this policy can be categorized as anything other than discrimination against the smaller LSA clubs. Can you imagine the outcry if LHSAA automatically reserved the top 5 seeds for the same 5 high schools every year, irrespective of how those teams actually measured up ON THE FIELD to the other LHSAA teams?!
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Post by goalie1 on Feb 3, 2018 14:13:49 GMT -6
Your record and on field performance speaks for itself. Your desire to take those kids to the next level is admirable and should be admired. Good luck to going forward
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 3, 2018 17:54:16 GMT -6
It’s not fair but then neither is the whole set up for LPDL. It should be top 5 teams performance wise. If you want to mandate that they must practice a certain schedule to participate, fine but it shouldn’t be limited to certain clubs.
What will they do if they have more than 8 teams in Comp 1? Make all the LCSL teams do a prelim the week before?
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Post by jefe on Feb 4, 2018 12:41:04 GMT -6
The team resume that you provided/detailed and all star team assembled you will prob will just roll through state cup regardless of seeding....unless the real issue is an ego thing.
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Post by fctsoccer on Feb 4, 2018 12:53:52 GMT -6
The team resume that you provided/detailed and all star team assembled you will prob will just roll through state cup regardless of seeding..unless the real issue is an ego thing. Uh ... it is a fairness thing. FCT 02 is not concerned with seeding. Under the current LPDL/LCSL integration policy, LSA has essentially decreed that NO team from Slidell, Houma, Covington, NOLA Spartans, Lafayette Dynamo, Madisonville, Alexandria, etc. will EVER be worthy of a No. 1 through 5 seed in State Cup play. And this team was developed, not “assembled.” You have no idea of the amount of hard work put in by players, parents, and coaches over the past 5 years.
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Post by dme1214 on Feb 4, 2018 13:42:22 GMT -6
Looking at the amount of teams in Comp1 Boys u15 6 teams + 5 LPDL teams Boys u17 6 teams + 4 LPDL teams Girls u15 6 teams + 5 LPDL teams Girls u17 6 teams + 4 LPDL teams
So at u15 they are saying that the bottom half of the comp 1 teams (3 teams) don't get to compete in state cup. And at u17 a third of the teams (2 teams) don't get compete in state cup.
All this half way through the season when it's too late for teams to have asked to play in comp 2,
Shouldn't they have made Comp 1 just a 4 team bracket during the season, so these other teams could have played in Comp 2 and had a chance to compete for that state title, or are they going to relegate these teams and end up throwing the bottom few teams in Comp 2 out of being able to comp for Presidents cup?
Where is the "MAKE SENSE" police?
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Post by jefe on Feb 4, 2018 13:57:35 GMT -6
I agree with you that the seeding protocol does not seem fair - not sure what the correct avenue to appeal for reseeding - may be power rating format - not sure and do not have the answers. Fair discussion with LSA....sorry can't speak to the politics.
Yes - everyone is working hard and making sacrifices. You are not the only one.
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Post by goalie1 on Feb 4, 2018 16:30:50 GMT -6
On the U-15 boys side the 6 D-1 teams play a one game elimination tournament. The 3 winners fill slots 6,7,8. The other 3, season over not allowed to play presidents cup under the current plan. Which I understand some are trying to change or modify. Does anyone think this thru?
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Post by chipshot on Feb 4, 2018 16:55:07 GMT -6
From what I have seen, the CYSA Tigers are probably the most complete 02 girls team in Louisiana and likely the 01 division as well. Assuming they keep the team together for next year, seeding will not impact the results of the state cup and their results. I understand the pride factor of seeding, but with what they currently have on that team, I cannot see anyone in Louisiana beating that team, “LPDL” label or not. If the Tigers are playing in local tournaments, I would really think they were just being bullies.
That being said, one thing I call BS on though. FCTSOCCER has gone out of their way in at least two post to say that team is not assembled. Sixteen months ago that was true statement, but now is really misleading. I acknowledge that 10 to 11 of the girls are original Tigers that have worked hard and are all very good players, but the other 9 girls added in the last 16 months is what makes it an all star team. By adding Breezy, the Twins, Tori Thomas, Maddy, Kamri, Molly, Emily and Mikayla, that team is just stacked. All of those girls added, were extremely talented C1 players before joining the Tigers. And from the games or highlights I have seen, those girls are definitely putting up a lot offense for the Tigers.
Just acknowledge that the team is stacked, be proud of what your child has accomplished and realize that some things may not feel fair. But at the end of the day, you still get the trophy.
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Post by sonics3 on Feb 4, 2018 17:29:16 GMT -6
From what I have seen, the CYSA Tigers are probably the most complete 02 girls team in Louisiana and likely the 01 division as well. Assuming they keep the team together for next year, seeding will not impact the results of the state cup and their results. I understand the pride factor of seeding, but with what they currently have on that team, I cannot see anyone in Louisiana beating that team, “LPDL” label or not. If the Tigers are playing in local tournaments, I would really think they were just being bullies. That being said, one thing I call BS on though. FCTSOCCER has gone out of their way in at least two post to say that team is not assembled. Sixteen months ago that was true statement, but now is really misleading. I acknowledge that 11 of the girls are original Tigers that have worked hard and are all very good players, but the other 9 girls added in the last 16 months is what makes it an all star team. By adding Breezy, the Twins, Tori Thomas, Maddy, Kamri, Molly, Emily and Mikayla, that team is just stacked. All of those girls added, were extremely talented C1 players before joining the Tigers. And from the games or highlights I have seen, those girls are definitely putting up a lot offense for the Tigers. Just acknowledge that the team is stacked, be proud of what your child has accomplished and realize that some things may not feel fair. But at the end of the day, you still get the trophy. Or, could it be that the players to join the team simply believe that they are getting a better product for a much cheaper price? From what I see, FCT seeks out the best competition wherever whenever. Big clubs have, since FCT’s inception tried to hurt their program. Kudos to Curt and the coaches around him for what they have created. Keep in mind, unlike most “big clubs” it’s not about justifying a DOC’s paycheck. It’s been about the development of the players. For anyone to think differently, I challenge you to get to know him and not simply judge him by others “opinion “.
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Post by goalie1 on Feb 4, 2018 19:46:29 GMT -6
A talented group of girls. I would not go so far as to push the MSC 01 girls out. Both teams are very talented and “area” teams. The rest of LPDL see ya!
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Post by alto1smom on Feb 4, 2018 20:52:20 GMT -6
I agree with you that the seeding protocol does not seem fair - not sure what the correct avenue to appeal for reseeding - may be power rating format - not sure and do not have the answers. Fair discussion with LSA..sorry can't speak to the politics. Yes - everyone is working hard and making sacrifices. You are not the only one. You seem to have been drinking some HATER-ade relax and put your emotions on hold. The policy is deplorable and Louisiana is STILL the laughing stock of the region because of foolishness like this!
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Post by alto1smom on Feb 4, 2018 20:54:37 GMT -6
From what I have seen, the CYSA Tigers are probably the most complete 02 girls team in Louisiana and likely the 01 division as well. Assuming they keep the team together for next year, seeding will not impact the results of the state cup and their results. I understand the pride factor of seeding, but with what they currently have on that team, I cannot see anyone in Louisiana beating that team, “LPDL” label or not. If the Tigers are playing in local tournaments, I would really think they were just being bullies. That being said, one thing I call BS on though. FCTSOCCER has gone out of their way in at least two post to say that team is not assembled. Sixteen months ago that was true statement, but now is really misleading. I acknowledge that 10 to 11 of the girls are original Tigers that have worked hard and are all very good players, but the other 9 girls added in the last 16 months is what makes it an all star team. By adding Breezy, the Twins, Tori Thomas, Maddy, Kamri, Molly, Emily and Mikayla, that team is just stacked. All of those girls added, were extremely talented C1 players before joining the Tigers. And from the games or highlights I have seen, those girls are definitely putting up a lot offense for the Tigers. Just acknowledge that the team is stacked, be proud of what your child has accomplished and realize that some things may not feel fair. But at the end of the day, you still get the trophy. The team is far from assembled, we tried out! No promises of playing time. Eventually all serious players gravitate to the team that’s most progressive no matter what club it’s housted at!
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Post by alto1smom on Feb 4, 2018 20:59:46 GMT -6
So . LSA just released its policy for integrating LPDL and LCSL within the State Cup. See image below. Can anyone justify why the top 5 seeds are AUTOMATICALLY reserved for LPDL team? How is that policy not blatantly discriminatory towards non-LPDL (read: smaller) clubs? I understand that LPDL clubs would likely earn a disproportionate share of the top seeds for State Cup. But LSA’s policy automatically reserves these seeds for the 5 LPDL clubs, notwithstanding the actual on-the-field merits of all LSA competitive teams. So next year, there is a plausible scenario in which CYSA FC Tammany Tigers 02 could be the 3-time defending State Cup champion, defending SRPL champion, defending LCSL champion, and PLAYING IN THE USYS NATIONAL LEAGUE, yet we would be (at best) seeded #6 in the U-17 State Cup just because CYSA is not a LPDL Club. How is this fair? FC Tammany has not lost a competitive game against an in-state opponent since U-13. Not looking for an argument, just some insight about how this policy can be categorized as anything other than discrimination against the smaller LSA clubs. Can you imagine the outcry if LHSAA automatically reserved the top 5 seeds for the same 5 high schools every year, irrespective of how those teams actually measured up ON THE FIELD to the other LHSAA teams?! What I find most interesting is that “we “ keep watering down competitive soccer and teaching out youth entitlement. I don’t want my kids to get anything they don’t earn! Quit BS big our kids LSA you are setting them up for a rude awakening because you give them stuff they don’t earn. We play rec for everyone to get a trouper or spot in the playoffs!
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Post by fctsoccer on Feb 4, 2018 22:10:31 GMT -6
A talented group of girls. I would not go so far as to push the MSC 01 girls out. Both teams are very talented and “area” teams. The rest of LPDL see ya! The MSC 01 LPDL is a terrific team ... great players and great coaches. They represent Louisiana soccer very well.
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Post by fctsoccer on Feb 4, 2018 22:49:06 GMT -6
From what I have seen, the CYSA Tigers are probably the most complete 02 girls team in Louisiana and likely the 01 division as well. Assuming they keep the team together for next year, seeding will not impact the results of the state cup and their results. I understand the pride factor of seeding, but with what they currently have on that team, I cannot see anyone in Louisiana beating that team, “LPDL” label or not. If the Tigers are playing in local tournaments, I would really think they were just being bullies. That being said, one thing I call BS on though. FCTSOCCER has gone out of their way in at least two post to say that team is not assembled. Sixteen months ago that was true statement, but now is really misleading. I acknowledge that 10 to 11 of the girls are original Tigers that have worked hard and are all very good players, but the other 9 girls added in the last 16 months is what makes it an all star team. By adding Breezy, the Twins, Tori Thomas, Maddy, Kamri, Molly, Emily and Mikayla, that team is just stacked. All of those girls added, were extremely talented C1 players before joining the Tigers. And from the games or highlights I have seen, those girls are definitely putting up a lot offense for the Tigers. Just acknowledge that the team is stacked, be proud of what your child has accomplished and realize that some things may not feel fair. But at the end of the day, you still get the trophy. Chipshot, I appreciate your complimentary assessment our team. But there are several other talented teams in the 01 and 02 age groups in Louisiana. The MSC 01 LPDL team is super, and the BRSC 01 Black and Lafayette 01 Academy team are both very good as well. In the 02 age group, we respect the heck out of the LA Fire 02 Red as well as the MSC 02 Laker Elite. I do not know much about the reconstituted BRSC 02 Black team, but know that BRSC always fields a talented, well-coaches squad. Houma also is strong in the 02 age group. Bottom line ... we respect all of our opponents and take no result for granted. Is our roster talented, yes. But the games are played on grass, and not on paper. I guess is depends on how you define “assembled.” The core of this team has been together for 4-5 years. Indeed, the 5 captains of FCT have been together since 2014. This core’s success on the field from 2013 through 2016 made FCT into an attractive option for other talented, ambitious players in the area to join. This core won LCSL 5 times, won SRPL, won State Cup, was a State Cup finalist, and won several regional tournaments before any of the players you mentioned ever attended any FCT tryout. 13 current players have been with FCT for no less than 3 years. 7 of 11 so-called “starters” have been with the team for no less than 3 years. Yes, additions to the squad over the past 2 seasons have certainly enhanced our team’s ability to compete regionally/nationally. But these new players had a choice where to play. They attended tryouts and made the roster. In fact, several of the names you mentioned came to FCT only after being disregarded/passed over by their original clubs for higher profile rosters. Finally, my complaint about the LDPL/LCSL integration policy for State Cup is not just related to its future impact on FCT. I am troubled by the fact that LSA has decreed that no team from any non-LPDL club will ever warrant a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or even 5th seed in State Cup. If we can develop a bone fide State Cup contender at CYSA, then no doubt other coaches can do so at their respective non-LPDL clubs.
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Post by soccerdad3246 on Feb 5, 2018 14:28:52 GMT -6
While it may be mildly frustrating for FCT to not be properly seeded in state cup, you're still competing at the appropriate level and the outcome will be the same regardless. But for every one team like yours, they're 30 teams that belong in the President's Cup. That is the real problem. The vast majority of the teams that are in "C1" brackets in the LPDL age groups are in reality C2 teams. Calling them C1 doesn't make them better. Of the 6 teams in C1, 3 don't get a year ending State tournament at ALL the other 3 get most assuredly brow beaten for the weekend and have their families waste collectively thousands of dollars traveling to Lafayette. The probability of harming these teams is exponentially greater than the possibility of any benefit. Even worse, the representation at President's Cup Regionals will be the 6th best C2 team representing Louisiana. In U15, the teams currently on top of the standings on both the boys and girls side are those clubs second team in the age group. Hardly someone concerned if they can be top seed in State Cup. LSA is however stealing the opportunity of the true top C2 (now called C1) teams from competing regionally.
We have C1, C2, C3 for a reason and LPDL has screwed that up for a bunch of kids and that's a shame. LSA should scrap LPDL, encourage C1 teams to train and compete regionally more and have everybody in their appropriate level of competition. For this year, They should allow any "C1" team to play in the LPDL C1 Cup if they so desire and let the rest play where they belong which is President's Cup.
Curiously, LSA had every opportunity to discuss this with the membership at the Mid year meeting but chose to make this decision behind closed doors.
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Post by lovenorthshoresoccer on Feb 5, 2018 17:07:19 GMT -6
A few years back LSA created a system of promotion and regulation. It worked to well and some of the big clubs were being regulated down and some small clubs were being promoted. How do we solve that problem, create LPDL. Regardless of how a team does or what players make up that team or even if it is the same team, it is guaranteed a spot. This is particularly egregious at the older age groups. In other words, LSA tried to protect its big clubs and prevent the small club super teams from forming in LCSL. The small clubs worked within the LCSL framework, followed every rule, earned their spots, only to have them taken away by new rules. LPDL is not a bad idea, but instead of excluding participants, it should have been designed so as to insure inclusion of every qualified team regardless of the club it plays under.
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Post by willowdale on Feb 5, 2018 18:11:21 GMT -6
LPDL is an ill conceived idea at best. From what I heard there was not much debate or input from all clubs when this was started. In fact, BRSC and LAFire don't really subscribe to it. They have kept their kids at appropriate age groups. There is no need to break teams up every year. Of course there will be players that play up for a variety of reasons but this has happened for many, many years. The fact is that there is no LPDL at the 04, 02 and 00 age groups. Small clubs should have a higher chance of winning a state championship in these off years because MSC, LYSA, and CABOSA took the best 04s and 02s and played them up in LPDL. There are many reasons LPDL stinks which I have discussed before.. I don't see it lasting very long.
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Post by andb on Feb 6, 2018 8:44:47 GMT -6
What would LSA be discriminating against? Race, Religious beliefs, gender? Do they show favoritism to the larger clubs. Of course they do, just as any business would show favoritism to their biggest clients. Go beat them big clubs, stop whining, and get over your pride as it pertains to this ranking nonsense.
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