2018/19 LHSSCA Weeks 11-12 Poll

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2018-2019 LHSSCA WEEK​S​ ​11-12​ RANKINGS

January ​30​, 2019

For immediate press release:

The Louisiana High School Soccer Coaches Association (LHSSCA), conducts this poll. The voting committee consists of ten coaches from each division throughout the state. The number in brackets indicates first place votes. Records, when listed, are in American-style, W-L-D format. Wins are in blue, draws are in green, and losses are in red. Games against non-LHSAA opponents are in purple (non-LHSAA games do not count towards the official record/power ratings for each team but may be considered in the coaches' poll).

DIVISION I

1 St. Paul's [6] 146 (20-0-3) (W 4-0 Mandeville)(W 3-1 Catholic BR, 2-1 St. Amant, 3-0 Jesuit)
2 Jesuit [4] 143 (22-1-5) (W 1-0 Brother Martin, 4-3 Dutchtown, 1-0 Northshore)(L 0-3 St. Paul's)
3 Northshore 126 (19-3-3) (W 1-0 East Ascension, 2-1 Alexandria)(L 0-1 Jesuit)
4 St. Amant 111 (20-4-1) (W 5-2 Baton Rouge, 2-0 Denham Springs)(L 1-2 St. Paul's)
5 Denham Springs 109 (20-5-1) (W 5-0 Captain Shreve)(L 0-2 St. Amant)
6 Catholic - B.R. 101 (13-5-3) (W 4-0 Bonnabel)(L 1-3 St. Paul's)
7 Dutchtown 93 (13-4-6) (W 7-0 Slidell, 2-1 Lafayette)(L 3-4 Jesuit)
8 Lafayette 89 (11-6-1) (L 1-2 Dutchtown)
9 Alexandria 63 (14-6-3) (W 1(4)-1(3) Pineville)(L 1-2 Northshore)
10 East Ascension 48 (14-6-2) (W 2-1 Hammond)(L 0-1 Northshore)
 
​Others receiving votes: ​

Mandeville 43 (16-8-2) (W 1-0 West Monroe)(L 0-4 St. Paul's)
Pineville 32 (14-8-5) (W 1-0 Fontainebleau)(L 1(3)-1(4) Alexandria)
Brother Martin 30 (9-6-3) (W 6-0 Barbe)(L 0-1 Jesuit)
Baton Rouge 28 (13-6-4) (W 6-1 Airline)(L 2-5 St. Amant)
Byrd, C.E. 12 (12-7-5) (L 1(7)-1(8) Bonnabel)
Acadiana 11 (8-8-1) (L 0-1 Captain Shreve)
Captain Shreve 10 (14-11-1) (W 1-0 Acadiana)(L 0-5 Denham Springs)
West Jefferson 3 (6-9-3)
Barbe 1 (12-7-4) (L 0-6 Brother Martin)
Hammond 1 (8-9-5) (L 1-2 East Ascension)

DIVISION II

1 Holy Cross [8] 148 (23-4-3) (W 3-0 Live Oak, 3-1 Benton, 2-1 Beau Chene, 1(3)-1(1) Lakeshore)
2 St. Thomas More [2] 140 (17-3-2) (L 1-2(2OT) Neville)
3 East Jefferson 123 (14-3-7) (W 5-0 Ouachita Parish)(L 0-1 Lakeshore)
4 Lakeshore 122 (23-5-2) (W 4-0 Ben Franklin, 1-0 East Jefferson, 5-0 Woodlawn BR)(L 1(1)-1(3) Holy Cross)
5 Beau Chene 111 (17-5-7) (W 2-1(2OT) Destrehan, 2-0 Caddo Magnet)(L 1-2 Holy Cross)
6 Woodlawn - B.R. 99 (17-6-1) (W 2-1 Riverdale, 2-1 Neville)(L 0-5 Lakeshore)
7 Caddo Magnet 91 (12-6-2) (W 1(4)-1(2) Central Lafourche)(L 0-2 Beau Chene)
8 Ben Franklin 67 (11-11) (W 2-0 De La Salle)(L 0-4 Lakeshore)
9 Terrebonne 66 (16-4-6) (L 0-1 Benton)
10 Destrehan 55 (12-6-1) (W 5-0 Natchitoches Central)(L 1-2(2OT) Beau Chene)

Others receiving votes:
​Central Lafourche 37 (12-8-6) (W 3-0 Tara)(L 1(2)-1(4) Caddo Magnet)
Ruston 34 (12-6-4) (L 1(2)-1(4) Riverdale)
Benton 34 (16-8-5) (W 5-0 Haughton, 1-0 Terrebonne)(L 1-3 Holy Cross)
Neville 27 (8-7-5) (W 2-0 Parkway, 2-1(2OT) St. Thomas More)(L 1-2 Woodlawn BR)
Live Oak 18 (15-12-3) (W 1-0 Helen Cox)(L 0-3 Holy Cross)
Ouachita Parish 10 (10-11-6) (W 2-0 Central BR)(L 0-5 East Jefferson)
Helen Cox 9 (11-4-1) (L 0-1 Live Oak)
De La Salle 8 (7-13-8) (L 0-2 Ben Franklin)
Central - B.R. 1​ (12-8) (L 0-2 Ouachita Parish)


DIVISION III

1 St. Louis Catholic [8] 148 (20-4-4) (W 4-1 DeRidder)(L 0-1 Vandebilt)
2 University Lab [2] 142 (21-2-3) (W 1-0 Haynes, 2-0 Lusher, 4-0 Teurlings, 5-4(2OT) Loyola Prep)
3 E.D. White 118 (16-6-2) (W 3-0 N.O.M.M.A.)(L 0-2 Loyola Prep)
4 Teurlings Catholic 113 (14-4-2) (W 4-0 Bossier, 2-1 Parkview Baptist)(L 0-4 University Lab)
4 Loyola Prep 113 (18-9-4) (W 1-0 Pearl River, 2-0 E.D. White, 1-0 Vandebilt)(L 4-5(2OT) University Lab)
6 Parkview Baptist 98 (17-3-3) (W 2-1 Hannan)(L 1-2 Teurlings)
7 Vandebilt Catholic 90 (11-12-3) (W 3-0 North Vermillion, 1-0 St. Louis)(L 0-1 Loyola Prep)
8 Holy Savior Menard 75 (9-11-1) (W 2-0 Bolton)(L 0-2 Lusher Charter)
8 Lusher Charter 75 (13-4-3) (W 2-0 Menard)(L 0-2 University Lab)
10 North Vermillion 55 (13-6-4) (W 4-1 St. Michael)(L 0-3 Vandebilt)

Others receiving votes:
​Archbishop Hannan 50 (15-7) (W 5-4 Morgan City)(L 1-2 Parkview Baptist)
Pearl River 41 (12-5-1) (W 3-1 Cecilia)(L 0-1 Loyola Prep)
Haynes Academy 30 (10-8-2) (W 2-2(KFTM) Leesville)(L 0-1 University Lab)
St. Martinville 20 (9-8-5) (L 0-2 N.O.M.M.A.)
DeRidder 16 (11-11-5) (W 3-1 David Thibodaux)(L 1-4 St. Louis)
N.O. Military and Maritime 7 (10-8-2) (W 2-0 St. Martinville)(L 0-3 E.D. White)
Bolton 3 (7-10-3) (L 0-2 Menard)
St. Michael 3 (5-16-1) (L 1-4 North Vermillion)
Leesville 2 (6-10-6) (L 2-2(KFTM) Haynes)
Morgan City 1​ (7-13-3) (L 4-5 Hannan)


DIVISION IV

​​​1 Episcopal of Acadiana [10] 150 (16-1-2) (W 9-1 Houma Christian, 8-0 St. Thomas Aquinas)(L 2-4 Northlake Christian)
2 Newman, Isidore 140 (13-5-4) (W 9-1 Westminster Christian, 3-1 Dunham, 1-0 Catholic N.I.)(L 1-2 Northlake Christian)
3 Episcopal 127 (13-4-2) (W 4-0 Covenant Christian)(L 0-2 Northlake Christian)
4 Catholic - N.I. 119 (15-6-4) (W 6-0 Calvary Baptist, 1-0 Pope John Paul II)(L 0-1 Newman)
5 Northlake Christian 114 (13-5-2) (W 9-1 Ascension Christian, 2-0 Episcopal BR, 4-2 Episcopal of Acadiana, 2-1 Newman)
6 Pope John Paul II 104 (16-5-2) (W 4-1 Ascension Episcopal)(L 0-1 Catholic N.I.)
7 Sterlington 90 (12-4-4) (L 3-5(OT) Dunham)
8 St. Thomas Aquinas 64 (7-7-4) (W 5-2 Country Day)(L 0-8 Episcopal of Acadiana)
9 Dunham 59 (9-7-5) (W 8-0 Evangel, 5-3(OT) Sterlington)(L 1-3 Newman)
10 Ascension Christian 45 (11-5-2) (W 3-2 Fisher)(L 1-9 Northlake Christian)

Others receiving votes:
Christ Episcopal 36 (6-9-1)
Country Day 35 (7-11) (W 3-1 Glenmora)(L 2-5 St. Thomas Aquinas)
St. Frederick 33 (9-8-2) (L 0-1 Westminster Christian)
Glenmora 29 (11-7-6) (L 1-3 Country Day)
Calvary Baptist 16 (13-4-2) (W 1(4)-1(1) Vermillion Catholic)(L 0-6 Catholic N.I.)
Covenant Christian 15 (10-7-5) (W 6-0 Rapides)(L 0-4 Episcopal BR)
Ascension Episcopal 7 (11-9-3) (W 1-0 Lafayette Christian)(L 1-4 Pope John Paul II)
Lafayette Christian 7 (7-8-2) (L 0-1 Ascension Episcopal)
Houma Christian 5 (13-9-1) (W 3-2 Opelousas Catholic)(L 1-9 Episcopal of Acadiana)
Evangel Christian 4 (8-14-1) (L 0-8 Dunham)
Runnels 1 (2-11-2)

[sweepe]

Is one to assume that the LHSSCA is biased? It hasn't a correlation with the rating system of the LHSSA. That wouldn't make sense since one would have the impression that a select panel of coaches would have the ability to select the teams.
I suppose outliers can exist in the bogus LHSSA ranking system.
That system needs to be torn apart and overhauled. Search out some all-star mathaletes and get a bona fide power rating system. Not the difficult.

[upper90]

Curious to know what/who you might think the LHSSCA is biased towards?

[coachray40]

Jan 30, 2019 11:21:26 GMT -6 sweepe said:

Is one to assume that the LHSSCA is biased? It hasn't a correlation with the rating system of the LHSSA. That wouldn't make sense since one would have the impression that a select panel of coaches would have the ability to select the teams.
I suppose outliers can exist in the bogus LHSSA ranking system.
That system needs to be torn apart and overhauled. Search out some all-star mathaletes and get a bona fide power rating system. Not the difficult.

So I take it youre not a fan of how we do things............

[coachray40]

Jan 30, 2019 11:38:58 GMT -6 upper90 said:

Curious to know what/who you might think the LHSSCA is biased towards?

Its all towards YOU BB!

[footballfan]

Not sure how Dtown ended up ahead of Lafayette.

[DocT]

Jan 30, 2019 12:26:28 GMT -6 footballfan said:

Not sure how Dtown ended up ahead of Lafayette.

They didn’t at least in the poll that counts
🤷🏼‍♂️

[retired_thibodaux_coach]

Jan 30, 2019 12:28:24 GMT -6 DocT said:

Jan 30, 2019 12:26:28 GMT -6 footballfan said:

Not sure how Dtown ended up ahead of Lafayette.

They didn’t

I think he meant in the coaches poll..

interesting that if Dutchtown wins their 1st round game (which I expect them too) they'd get a rematch with Lafayette. 

[DocT]

Jan 30, 2019 12:29:59 GMT -6 retired_thibodaux_coach said:

Jan 30, 2019 12:28:24 GMT -6 DocT said:

They didn’t

I think he meant in the coaches poll..

interesting that if Dutchtown wins their 1st round game (which I expect them too) they'd get a rematch with Lafayette. 

Yes that will be a crazy rematch if it happens. I’ll definitely be there for that one

[sweepe]

Jan 30, 2019 11:38:58 GMT -6 upper90 said:

Curious to know what/who you might think the LHSSCA is biased towards?

Coach,
I didn't say that the LHSSCA was biased. I asked if anyone thought it was biased. Personally, I think the LHSSCA poll is fair and not biased. This is based on the impression that the poll is conducted by coaches who have the experience and expertise to select a ranking by the association.
I am  only trying to shine a light in a constructive manner of the bogus ranking system of the LHSSA. I recently made a post on another thread that contained SOME details of my concerns. By other posters comments, I became aware of how it is manipulated  coaches through scheduling and  false enhancement of numbers.  If one thinks that it reflects that it has anything to do with computing a power ranking, they are  totally oblivious of what is what in regards to a true power ranking.

Coach, good luck to your team in the playoffs.
I saw your team play twice this year and thought they were very talented and disciplined team. Matter of fact. I approached you at the Lions Cup on the Saturday and complimented you. Believe me, that is something that I never do.

[OuachitaCoach]

A I think some of the confusion may be due to you using the wrong acronym. You are meaning to say the LHSAA. LHSSA (an understandable mistake) is pretty close to LHSSCA.

[upper90]

Jan 30, 2019 12:36:12 GMT -6 sweepe said:

Jan 30, 2019 11:38:58 GMT -6 upper90 said:

Curious to know what/who you might think the LHSSCA is biased towards?

Coach,
I didn't say that the LHSSCA was biased. I asked if anyone thought it was biased. Personally, I think the LHSSCA poll is fair and not biased. This is based on the impression that the poll is conducted by coaches who have the experience and expertise to select a ranking by the association.
I am  only trying to shine a light in a constructive manner of the bogus ranking system of the LHSSA. I recently made a post on another thread that contained SOME details of my concerns. By other posters comments, I became aware of how it is manipulated  coaches through scheduling and  false enhancement of numbers.  If one thinks that it reflects that it has anything to do with computing a power ranking, they are  totally oblivious of what is what in regards to a true power ranking.

Coach, good luck to your team in the playoffs.
I saw your team play twice this year and thought they were very talented and disciplined team. Matter of fact. I approached you at the Lions Cup on the Saturday and complimented you. Believe me, that is something that I never do.

I misunderstood your original post then. If you thought it was an attack on you, I apologize. It wasn't meant as an attack. I was actually just curious if you thought it was biased or not. 

Thank you for the kind complements on the team. We're young and still learning. Hoping for a good run in the playoffs!

[coachray40]

First time all four Ascension Parish teams are in the top 10 in their respective divisions

[itsallgood]

Jan 30, 2019 12:31:15 GMT -6 DocT said:

Jan 30, 2019 12:29:59 GMT -6 retired_thibodaux_coach said:

I think he meant in the coaches poll..

interesting that if Dutchtown wins their 1st round game (which I expect them too) they'd get a rematch with Lafayette. 

Yes that will be a crazy rematch if it happens. I’ll definitely be there for that one

Isn't Zayne gonna be in Costa Rica for the playoffs? 

[lovenorthshoresoccer]

Interesting info on scheduling of top 10 teams in Division I. Makes you wonder how a true strength of schedule might avoid some strategic scheduling. Below is the top 10 in Division I listed by the number of other top 10 Division I teams played. If we added in a strength of schedule to the PR, distinguishing between games versus opponents in lower divisions, would our top 10 look the same?

Lafayette-8
St. Pauls-7
Denham Springs-7
Catholic-6
Dutchtown-6
Jesuit-5
Alexandria-5
Northshore-4
St. Amant-3
Byrd-3

[livingstonparishsocc]

This right here is why we get stuck with a terrible power rankings formula and system. Those who vote on the poll need to actually think about their votes. Why on earth is Dtown ahead of Lafayette? Lafayette beat Dtown by multiple goals. Why is Denham ahead of Catholic? Catholic beat them by 2 goals last week. This poll is the best way to rank teams but y'all have got to think when voting. In the past SCHOOLS WITHOUT SOCCER TEAMS RECIEVED VOTES. The LHSCA needs to clean this up. Lafayette, Dtown, Denham, and Catholic are examples of where this poll has gone wrong but are certainly not the most explicit examples of this and I'd love to see a resurgence of this poll through accurate thoughtful voting. 

[blaugranas]

Firstly, the number to look at would be the number of matches against top 10 teams, not the number of top ten teams played, (Denham Springs, St. Paul’s, Catholic and others played multiple matches against the same top ten team.) Secondly, giving a winning team numerical credit for all of an opponents wins adds a strength of schedule component into the formula. Beauchenecoach suggested a tweet in another tread that perhaps would be very useful making the PR formula more workable and adds strength to winning against teams with multiple wins while removing some of the value in taking such a lost.

Adding, however some kind of strength of schedule numerical kick for playing in Div I, vs II or III is a wholely different thing. Such a formula then would venture into the territory of trying to quantify what is inherently a subjective consideration. (The idea that a team is stronger by virtue of merely playing in a larger division.) This type is subjectiveness is exactly what the PR is meant to avoid,.... and see Holy Cross, Newman, and Episcopal of Acadiana as anecdotal evidence that disputes the very premise.

[thebirdstheword]

Jan 31, 2019 10:40:39 GMT -6 livingstonparishsocc said:

This right here is why we get stuck with a terrible power rankings formula and system. Those who vote on the poll need to actually think about their votes. Why on earth is Dtown ahead of Lafayette? Lafayette beat Dtown by multiple goals. Why is Denham ahead of Catholic? Catholic beat them by 2 goals last week. This poll is the best way to rank teams but y'all have got to think when voting. In the past SCHOOLS WITHOUT SOCCER TEAMS RECIEVED VOTES. The LHSCA needs to clean this up. Lafayette, Dtown, Denham, and Catholic are examples of where this poll has gone wrong but are certainly not the most explicit examples of this and I'd love to see a resurgence of this poll through accurate thoughtful voting. 

This system has its flaws as well.. i personally like the PR system because i can control my ranking (to a degree). I can make my schedule and know that if i win games, my seeding will reflect that.. in the past even if you win the majority of your games or have good results, your ranking is still somewhat dictated by someone who may have never seen your team play, thus can not accurately rank teams. While i do enjoy seeing this poll weekly, it has declined somewhat because all the coaches who participate know that in the end it has no affect on playoffs.

[sweepe]

Jan 30, 2019 12:26:28 GMT -6 footballfan said:

Not sure how Dtown ended up ahead of Lafayette.

All polls have a margin of error. Since the sample size is small, it can be significant in outcome.
I would think that a 4 or 5 vote difference would be considered a toss up. But there are also other considerations. For first place votes, maybe  1.5 would be the margin of error.

[DocT]

Jan 30, 2019 23:01:23 GMT -6 itsallgood said:

Jan 30, 2019 12:31:15 GMT -6 DocT said:

Yes that will be a crazy rematch if it happens. I’ll definitely be there for that one

Isn't Zayne gonna be in Costa Rica for the playoffs? 

I’m not sure. Maybe someone else could clarify that one.