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Post by DocT on Feb 14, 2019 8:47:59 GMT -6
Nope No one feels that way, not anymore Ask your principal so what you are saying is, these coaches/principals/kids are selfish and just want a chance to win state. screw what is best for soccer in the state. sounds just like society. guess what, not everyone will be president. someone will still be the garbage man. yea it is not PC, but that is real talk BOOM!!
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Post by Young gun on Feb 14, 2019 9:15:51 GMT -6
A positive to me was that they reduced the classifications in cross country from 7 to 5 for next year. By the time the DI boys ran this year (14 races with boys and girls) the course was so torn up kids were getting stuck in the mud. It was ridiculous. Hopefully they are realizing how bad it is getting. They have made state mean very little.
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Post by firebruin on Feb 14, 2019 9:33:54 GMT -6
I think the stratification of the haves vs. the have nots had gotten to the point where the split occurred.
Two years ago, my team had 5 total losses including the playoffs, and all 5 were to select teams.
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Post by Antimatter on Feb 14, 2019 9:38:22 GMT -6
Two schools efforts in football were the crux of what created the impetus for the whole split. If those two schools never existed I doubt the impetus for a split would ever have occurred.
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Post by noonediesinsoccer on Feb 14, 2019 9:40:29 GMT -6
Two schools efforts in football were the crux of what created the impetus for the whole split. If those two schools never existed I doubt the impetus for a split would ever have occurred. If all teams had to abide by the same rules the split would never have occurred.
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Post by itsallgood on Feb 14, 2019 10:03:39 GMT -6
Don’t separate soccer, the kids want to compete against the best teams regardless of what school it is. Politically correct talk No they don’t Not a level playing field and it’s one of 2 sports not split and with the excuses for splitting being what they are, those 2 sports should have been split first. Like I said, enjoy the last year or two. Coaches don’t feel like you do and the last 2 years I hear more and more of the public school coaches who wanted to stay together say no more. It’s haooening, just hope it’s done correct and both sides do what is right How is that politically correct? My kid plays on a talented club team and the majority of his teammates are on the select side of high school. He looks forward to competing against them come high school season,
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Post by Antimatter on Feb 14, 2019 10:04:49 GMT -6
Two schools efforts in football were the crux of what created the impetus for the whole split. If those two schools never existed I doubt the impetus for a split would ever have occurred. If all teams had to abide by the same rules the split would never have occurred. Indeed. Those two were the impetus for other schools to play some of the same games (Such as we do not give athletic scholarships but check out our financial aid). A friend of mine whose son went to one of the high schools in question in 9th grade was told it was a shame he did not go earlier because he would have held him back a year or two.
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 14, 2019 10:05:00 GMT -6
I do not want to see a split but if they do decide to split I hope it stays 4 total divisions. 2 Select and 2 Non-Select. This would make the most sense if a split does take place. Though, when you think about it, what real good would it be to switch from 4 divisions to....4 divisions? That's why I'm against the split. Right now there are 115 Publics, and 64 privates competing on the boys side. I would think that a split would cause there to be 5 divisions--3 public and 2 private--assuming we went to equally distributed divisions based on enrollment. That would be roughly 38 schools per division in the publics, and 32 schools per division in the privates. i believe you'd need to have three divisions in the publics to deal with the smaller rural schools like Rapides, Glenmora, Fisher, etc with enrollments of less than 300 having to play schools with 1050 if there were only two divisions. Honestly it wouldnt look that much different. More of d IV right now are select schools. Heres what two divisions on the select side would look like (in order of enrollment): Division I-SelectJesuit John Ehret Brother Martin Baton Rouge HS St Pauls Lee Magnet Archbishop Rummel Holy Cross Caddo Magnet St Augustine St Thomas More Archbishop Shaw Teurlings Catholic Vandebilt Catholic NOMMA Lusher Charter ED White St Louis KIPP Rennaissance St Michaels Kenner Discovery Archbishop Hannan Haynes Academy International of New Orleans De la Salle Parkview Baptist University Lab Lake Charles College prep Loyola Patrick Taylor St Charles Catholic Division II-SelectEpiscopal-BR Newman Catholic-NI Notre Dame Holy Savior Menard Lafayette Christian Pope John Paul II Dunham Ascension Episcopal St Thomas Aquinas Northlake Christian Evangel Houma Christian Country Day Calvary Baptist Vermillion Catholic Riverside Academy Ouachita Christian St Fredericks St Martins Episcopal of Acadiana Catholic-PC Grace Christian Opelousas Catholic Runnels Westminster Catholic Christ Episcopal Ascension Christian Covenant Christian Delta Charter Central Private Brighton Not really that much different in D II. In D I we would probabaly see the reformation of the pre-Katrina "Catholic League" in NOLA. thats a snapshot--thoughts? If i missed a school let me know
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Post by Antimatter on Feb 14, 2019 10:18:02 GMT -6
Two Select divisions starts to get into some pretty big differences in enrollment. St Charles Catholic has 391 coed to Jesuits 2100 boys.
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 14, 2019 10:20:10 GMT -6
exactly--but we have to split it somewhere, and we go to three divisions then everybody goes batsheet about the state finals getting watered down
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Post by Antimatter on Feb 14, 2019 10:23:09 GMT -6
exactly--but we have to split it somewhere, and we go to three divisions then everybody goes batsheet about the state finals getting watered down I would rather that than lose a lot of programs who suddenly feel so overwhelmed in their division they move to replace soccer with another sport. I can see 4 to 8 teams at the bottom of that top split that would be in that position.
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 14, 2019 10:39:33 GMT -6
Agreed
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Post by straightdummin on Feb 14, 2019 10:44:28 GMT -6
exactly--but we have to split it somewhere, and we go to three divisions then everybody goes batsheet about the state finals getting watered down I would rather that than lose a lot of programs who suddenly feel so overwhelmed in their division they move to replace soccer with another sport. I can see 4 to 8 teams at the bottom of that top split that would be in that position. all that the split does is create more champions. the same teams will dominate. the "new" public school division will just be dominated by the schools that are nipping at the heels of the private schools. so, in Div I soccer, if it were only public schools, then St. Amant, Northshore, Dutchtown, Denham Springs, Lafayette, and Alexandria would dominate the rest. by splitting it between select v non-select you would simply be putting a new boss in charge. Maybe in the lower divisions it would make a difference, but that would not be the case across the board.
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Post by kevin on Feb 14, 2019 10:48:39 GMT -6
Two schools efforts in football were the crux of what created the impetus for the whole split. If those two schools never existed I doubt the impetus for a split would ever have occurred. Bingo. There are many valid points that have been expressed on this board. But if Curtis and Evangel had been forced to play up to 5A the whole time, we'd never have ended up where we are today.
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Post by quickrestart on Feb 14, 2019 10:49:03 GMT -6
Just to wade into the proverbial waters...a select/non-select split sounds great in theory, however, it will still continue domination by the same teams, in fact making it easier to do so, especially in a 3/2 Division split. The problem is not non-select/select, the "problem" that some see is the disparity in distribution of club/select players. More often than not they cluster at the same select/public schools. Schools without club players are limited in practice time before the season (which is ridiculous), while club/select players are playing year round. It is obvious to everyone that the most dominant teams are overall: 1. select and 2. club oriented, and good on them for having that. It's a "problem" only in that the best players play at the schools most oriented towards soccer and areas in which soccer is growing. It's natural and ok. I don't see, however, how people don't see the disparity in soccer in the state.
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Post by spsfan100 on Feb 14, 2019 11:05:39 GMT -6
I would rather that than lose a lot of programs who suddenly feel so overwhelmed in their division they move to replace soccer with another sport. I can see 4 to 8 teams at the bottom of that top split that would be in that position. all that the split does is create more champions. the same teams will dominate. the "new" public school division will just be dominated by the schools that are nipping at the heels of the private schools. so, in Div I soccer, if it were only public schools, then St. Amant, Northshore, Dutchtown, Denham Springs, Lafayette, and Alexandria would dominate the rest. by splitting it between select v non-select you would simply be putting a new boss in charge. Maybe in the lower divisions it would make a difference, but that would not be the case across the board.
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Post by spsfan100 on Feb 14, 2019 11:08:59 GMT -6
Yep, Zachary now dominates public 5A football and Karr 4A public football.
Zachary even voted against the split but since the others wanted it, they are like Ok, have it your way.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Feb 14, 2019 11:37:35 GMT -6
coachray, In your list Notre Dame did not have a boys soccer team. Not sure about girls but would guess not as well. That would bring it down to 63 unless I missed another.
A split would be horrendous.
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Post by AgSurfer on Feb 14, 2019 11:37:44 GMT -6
If all teams had to abide by the same rules the split would never have occurred. Indeed. Those two were the impetus for other schools to play some of the same games (Such as we do not give athletic scholarships but check out our financial aid). A friend of mine whose son went to one of the high schools in question in 9th grade was told it was a shame he did not go earlier because he would have held him back a year or two. 1.22.6 A “hold-back student” is a student who has successfully completed the academic and attendance requirements (as defined by the Louisiana State Department of Education) that have been established for 6th, 7th and/or 8th grade students and who is held back in one or more of these grades prior to entering the 9th grade. A student who successfully completes all requirements of the 8th grade and who does not enroll in and attend a high school the next school year after completing the 8th grade shall be classified as a “hold-back student.” When a “hold-back student” enters the 9th grade for the first time, he/she shall be eligible to participate in interscholastic athletics in the LHSAA for only the next ensuing six consecutive semesters or terms of 90 days. 1.22.7 Encouraging students or establishing an academic program that facilitates students who have successfully completed the academic requirements set fourth for passing the 6th, 7th and/or 8th grade level to repeat one or more of these grades for athletic purposes by a school administrator, an athletic director, a coach or anyone connected with the athletic program of an LHSAA member school shall be prohibited. It shall be a violation of this rule for a student-athlete who has successfully completed the established academic requirements for passing the 6th, 7th and/or 8th grade to be encouraged or assisted in any manner to repeat one or more of these grades for athletic purposes. A school, student, school administrator, athletic director and/or coach found to be in violation of this rule shall be subject to disciplinary action depending upon the severity of the violation as provided in the by-laws. Seems you were misled or the school was violating LHSAA rules.
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Post by Antimatter on Feb 14, 2019 11:47:08 GMT -6
Indeed. Those two were the impetus for other schools to play some of the same games (Such as we do not give athletic scholarships but check out our financial aid). A friend of mine whose son went to one of the high schools in question in 9th grade was told it was a shame he did not go earlier because he would have held him back a year or two. 1.22.6 A “hold-back student” is a student who has successfully completed the academic and attendance requirements (as defined by the Louisiana State Department of Education) that have been established for 6th, 7th and/or 8th grade students and who is held back in one or more of these grades prior to entering the 9th grade. A student who successfully completes all requirements of the 8th grade and who does not enroll in and attend a high school the next school year after completing the 8th grade shall be classified as a “hold-back student.” When a “hold-back student” enters the 9th grade for the first time, he/she shall be eligible to participate in interscholastic athletics in the LHSAA for only the next ensuing six consecutive semesters or terms of 90 days. 1.22.7 Encouraging students or establishing an academic program that facilitates students who have successfully completed the academic requirements set fourth for passing the 6th, 7th and/or 8th grade level to repeat one or more of these grades for athletic purposes by a school administrator, an athletic director, a coach or anyone connected with the athletic program of an LHSAA member school shall be prohibited. It shall be a violation of this rule for a student-athlete who has successfully completed the established academic requirements for passing the 6th, 7th and/or 8th grade to be encouraged or assisted in any manner to repeat one or more of these grades for athletic purposes. A school, student, school administrator, athletic director and/or coach found to be in violation of this rule shall be subject to disciplinary action depending upon the severity of the violation as provided in the by-laws. Seems you were misled or the school was violating LHSAA rules. No, I was not. This coach bragged about holding kids back at earlier ages. He was the only 17 year old on his side of the ball at the start of his senior year. How likely is that to be so?
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