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Post by quickrestart on Feb 14, 2019 11:48:35 GMT -6
I do not want to see a split but if they do decide to split I hope it stays 4 total divisions. 2 Select and 2 Non-Select. This would make the most sense if a split does take place. Though, when you think about it, what real good would it be to switch from 4 divisions to....4 divisions? That's why I'm against the split. Right now there are 115 Publics, and 64 privates competing on the boys side. I would think that a split would cause there to be 5 divisions--3 public and 2 private--assuming we went to equally distributed divisions based on enrollment. That would be roughly 38 schools per division in the publics, and 32 schools per division in the privates. i believe you'd need to have three divisions in the publics to deal with the smaller rural schools like Rapides, Glenmora, Fisher, etc with enrollments of less than 300 having to play schools with 1050 if there were only two divisions. Honestly it wouldnt look that much different. More of d IV right now are select schools. Heres what two divisions on the select side would look like (in order of enrollment): Division I-SelectJesuit John Ehret Brother Martin Baton Rouge HS St Pauls Lee Magnet Archbishop Rummel Holy Cross Caddo Magnet St Augustine St Thomas More Archbishop Shaw Teurlings Catholic Vandebilt Catholic NOMMA Lusher Charter ED White St Louis KIPP Rennaissance St Michaels Kenner Discovery Archbishop Hannan Haynes Academy International of New Orleans De la Salle Parkview Baptist University Lab Lake Charles College prep Loyola Patrick Taylor St Charles Catholic Division II-SelectEpiscopal-BR Newman Catholic-NI Notre Dame Holy Savior Menard Lafayette Christian Pope John Paul II Dunham Ascension Episcopal St Thomas Aquinas Northlake Christian Evangel Houma Christian Country Day Calvary Baptist Vermillion Catholic Riverside Academy Ouachita Christian St Fredericks St Martins Episcopal of Acadiana Catholic-PC Grace Christian Opelousas Catholic Runnels Westminster Catholic Christ Episcopal Ascension Christian Covenant Christian Delta Charter Central Private Brighton Not really that much different in D II. In D I we would probabaly see the reformation of the pre-Katrina "Catholic League" in NOLA. thats a snapshot--thoughts? If i missed a school let me know Byrd should be added: "magnet" Also, in my opinion, all schools in a parish that is choice, aka Rapides Parish, should also be added to select. They literally get to select what school they go to.
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Post by Rabid Monkey on Feb 14, 2019 12:24:06 GMT -6
Two schools efforts in football were the crux of what created the impetus for the whole split. If those two schools never existed I doubt the impetus for a split would ever have occurred. Isnt it 2 schools in DI driving the discussion now in soccer? I like the 4 divisions mixed - keep it!
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Post by Rabid Monkey on Feb 14, 2019 12:24:56 GMT -6
Missing Catholic BR in that list too
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Post by firebruin on Feb 14, 2019 12:30:29 GMT -6
You have to hold them back in 6th grade or earlier for that to work anymore because your clock starts ticking in 7th grade now.
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Post by footy on Feb 14, 2019 13:46:15 GMT -6
Bright idea fairies suck
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 14, 2019 14:01:46 GMT -6
Would def be 3 divisions of non select
2 is preferred for select, but a third may be needed to satisfy enrollment sizes
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Post by fifty50bawl on Feb 14, 2019 14:08:10 GMT -6
Byrd should be added: "magnet" Also, in my opinion, all schools in a parish that is choice, aka Rapides Parish, should also be added to select. They literally get to select what school they go to. Truestory. And if your an athlete, then a focus for your "choice" is commonly based on the athletic program. It is easy to poke holes in just about all of the propositions... in the end ... some will be happy, some will not.
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Post by itsallgood on Feb 14, 2019 14:40:29 GMT -6
You could have Division I and 2 champs for select and non select, then have them play each other for State Champ.
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Post by soccerfan583 on Feb 14, 2019 16:24:56 GMT -6
Two Select divisions starts to get into some pretty big differences in enrollment. St Charles Catholic has 391 coed to Jesuits 2100 boys. 1100*
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Post by wildcatstriker on Feb 14, 2019 17:16:00 GMT -6
I think there should be 90 divisions.
Think about how awesome it would be for the kids. Everyone plays for a state championship! It doesnt matter what kids are better, coached better, work harder. All that matters is that opportunity to walk off the field, win or lose, and know you won or were so close.
Everyone seems to be asking for a level playing field. What expectation does that give these young men and women as the move from the pitch to the workplace? There will always be someone smarter, someone who works harder, who started 5 days before you, someone who knows someone, etc. Those who want to succeed will use it as motivation to beat them.
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Post by chelsea007 on Feb 14, 2019 17:25:07 GMT -6
Nope No one feels that way, not anymore Ask your principal so what you are saying is, these coaches/principals/kids are selfish and just want a chance to win state. screw what is best for soccer in the state. sounds just like society. guess what, not everyone will be president. someone will still be the garbage man. yea it is not PC, but that is real talk Sooooooooooo... What IS best for soccer? My proposal is to stay together, have a Super Cup with the top four teams in each Division, have relegation from the Super Cup into the Divisional playoffs. I may actually use the PR to illustrate it at some point. Everybody wins - the best are actually challenged - the playoffs move to 28 teams per division - playoff matches are more balanced A split may happen, but it isn't what I want.
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Post by chelsea007 on Feb 14, 2019 17:32:54 GMT -6
You will still have a champion for Division I, II, III, and IV and they would be based on current student enrollment. The brackets would be based on respective Division in order to produce a state champion. ONLY the Grand Division semifinals would have teams playing outside of their enrollment divisions. In short, they would be the "Champions" of Division I, II, III, and IV respectively. It would just be done through the Grand Division bracket set up. As for who make the grand division tournament, that would be the top 4 four teams in each division based on the power rankings. Division V would be the schools with a 5A enrollment. The teams in that bracket of the grand final that lose would be "relegated" to their respective competition level. Basically, 4 state champs and a Grand Champion" would be determined by the Grand Champion tournament (sweet 16). Everybody else would be playing for the remaining state titles...including those that were relegated.
Division V = Division I members not in the "Sweet 16" Division VI = Division II members " " Division VII = Division III " " Division VIII = Division IV " "
As for the top four being the determining factor, I don't feel that is any different than a team on the bubble trying to get in. Your schedule is paramount. I would also propose to eliminate districts, but that may not fly. Lastly, for those saying it would be Jesuit or St. Paul as the "Grand Champion" every year, that opinion may have some merit. However, some experienced coaches on this site stated ESA could have been the best team in the state last season. Van. Cath, St. Louis, and NLCS have also produced squads that may have given the Goliaths a run...if not even beat them. This is a way to grow the sport, reduce the number of "blowouts", and challenge the elite squads...al with VERY LITTLE downside that I can think of (other than "being different"). At any rate, I hope that this explains the circumstances I have outlined better. A visual bracket would be the best descriptor, but again, I'm not savvy enough to pull that off. Sorry. Good luck and good health to all.
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Post by chelsea007 on Feb 14, 2019 17:34:19 GMT -6
My example tgat was posted.
Based on the PR at 12:30pm on 1/29
The top half of the bracket
9 Byrd v 24 Bonnabel 13 Pineville v 20 Acadiana
BYE (R1) - Note...this is the team that loses in the 2nd round of the divisional grand final group (1 win/ 1 loss) BYE (R1) ---------------------- 5 Catholic BR v 28 Ponchatoula 14 East Ascension v 19 Barbe
10 Dutchtown v 23 Fontainebleau 6 Alexandria v 27 Mckinley
The bottom half of the bracket
BYE (R2) - Note...the higher seed of the two teams relegated from round 1 of the grand final divisional playoffs 16 West Monroe v 17 Brother Martin
12 Captain Shreve v 21 Hammond 8 Lafayette v 25 Sulphur --------------------- 7 Denham Springs v 26 Zachary 11 Baton Rouge v 22 Slidell
15 Mandeville v 18 Airline BYE (R3) - Note...the lower seed of the two teams relegated from round 1 of the grand final divisional playoffs
As for the Grand Champion Bracket (Sweet 16 leading to the Super Cup)
Division I 1 St. Paul v 4 St. Amant
2 Jesuit v 3 Northshore
vs.
Division IV
1 ESA v 4 Episcopal BR
2 Newman v 3 Catholic NI
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Division II
1 Holy Cross v 4 Caddo Magnet
2 St. Thomas More v Lakeshore
vs.
Division III
1 St. Louis v 4 Loyola
2 University v 3 Teurlings
The winners advance and the losers are relegated into Division's V-VIII. If you win your bracket...you win your Division state championship and advance to the "Super Cup" to determine the "GRAND CHAMPION" of the state of Louisiana.
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Post by drogba on Feb 14, 2019 17:39:42 GMT -6
I think it will come but I don’t think the select teams will play non select at all. I think if they split it will be just that. It is coming select schools preparing for it with stadiums.
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Post by footy on Feb 14, 2019 18:43:32 GMT -6
Keep In mind that a lot of public schools athletes dont have the privilege to do club soccer after high school season. That's a huge disadvantage already. But competition wise i feel it is a good thing to keep it as it is right now. Privilege? The word you’re looking for is priority not privilege. Plenty of families make choices to forgo certain things in order to have their kids play. Not everyone has the same priorities, but the opportunity is there for anyone who chooses.
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Post by sissoko on Feb 14, 2019 19:14:46 GMT -6
Keep In mind that a lot of public schools athletes dont have the privilege to do club soccer after high school season. That's a huge disadvantage already. But competition wise i feel it is a good thing to keep it as it is right now. Privilege? The word you’re looking for is priority not privilege. Plenty of families make choices to forgo certain things in order to have their kids play. Not everyone has the same priorities, but the opportunity is there for anyone who chooses. You can stretch that argument as far as you want, but your privilege is showing. It can be immensely more difficult for families to commit to club soccer- whether it’s financial decisions (even with scholarships), availability and accessibility of club coaching and therefore the travel and time it requires, other family commitments with other children, etc. To offer a blanket statement saying it’s simply not a priority overlooks a lot of factors and is pretty negligent. Not to mention, some schools may just not have enough talent across the board that all of their players would be competitive enough to play on the club teams in their area.
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Post by footy on Feb 14, 2019 20:22:42 GMT -6
Privilege? The word you’re looking for is priority not privilege. Plenty of families make choices to forgo certain things in order to have their kids play. Not everyone has the same priorities, but the opportunity is there for anyone who chooses. You can stretch that argument as far as you want, but your privilege is showing. It can be immensely more difficult for families to commit to club soccer- whether it’s financial decisions (even with scholarships), availability and accessibility of club coaching and therefore the travel and time it requires, other family commitments with other children, etc. To offer a blanket statement saying it’s simply not a priority overlooks a lot of factors and is pretty negligent. Not to mention, some schools may just not have enough talent across the board that all of their players would be competitive enough to play on the club teams in their area. Reread your own post, other than your silly “privilege” statement without any backing, other than mentioning lack of ability (most clubs have options at various levels) it is all priority. I won’t argue that many schools lack talent. The schools that have it though, have it due to priorities and commitment on the part of the players and their parents. Not privilege
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 14, 2019 20:25:21 GMT -6
Even just from a practical standpoint without considering cost. Some kids can’t play club. Take a kid in Monroe- they may not have a team for their age in Monroe. Their choices are likely Sheveport or Jackson- 1-1/2 hours away. Mom and Dad both work and there are younger siblings. The player isn’t old enough to drive. Mom gets off at 5. By the time she can get the kid and get either place- it’s 7:00 PM. Most clubs don’t start practice that late and even if they did- you wouldn’t get home until 10. This leaves Dad to take care of younger siblings and their activities 2-3 times a week. Now if it’s a single parent with multiple children- I don’t know how you do it.
And cost- even with scholarships, you can spend several thousands of dollars if you are on an elite team just in travel.
The best thing would be if they would do away with practice rules and allow teams to practice and possibly scrimmage year round.
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Post by BC Fan on Feb 14, 2019 20:59:12 GMT -6
1 Holy Cross v 4 Caddo Magnet ] The Disrespect continues You don’t even care enough about D2 to even get it right A split is coming and it needs to happen. The playing field is uneven and nothing. Will change that. You can call the private school champs the real champs... but it’s time for a change and every public school principal is coming with the change next vote
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Post by sissoko on Feb 14, 2019 21:14:14 GMT -6
You can stretch that argument as far as you want, but your privilege is showing. It can be immensely more difficult for families to commit to club soccer- whether it’s financial decisions (even with scholarships), availability and accessibility of club coaching and therefore the travel and time it requires, other family commitments with other children, etc. To offer a blanket statement saying it’s simply not a priority overlooks a lot of factors and is pretty negligent. Not to mention, some schools may just not have enough talent across the board that all of their players would be competitive enough to play on the club teams in their area. Reread your own post, other than your silly “privilege” statement without any backing, other than mentioning lack of ability (most clubs have options at various levels) it is all priority. I won’t argue that many schools lack talent. The schools that have it though, have it due to priorities and commitment on the part of the players and their parents. Not privilege Oh I completely agree that it requires prioritizing club and making a serious commitment. However, that’s not the ONLY thing that keeps players from competing in club soccer, which was my point. Anyways back to the thread- I’m also against the split. There will always be powerhouses in each division, and there will still be powerhouses in the new divisions after a split. I’d be curious to see what all of the split divisions would look like though. I’d guess the powerhouses in each division would be easy to pick out. Also- when did it go from Private/Public to Select/Non-select or has that always been the issue? There’s a lot of public schools that are restricted by parish that fall under the select category.
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