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Post by noonediesinsoccer on Feb 15, 2019 19:15:16 GMT -6
no split is a good split. Keep the gators in the big boy league. Football our kids favorite game is EA and Catholic. Basketball same thing add in Dutchtown. Soccer same 3. I think a split is a cop out and a woe is me mentality. Yuck! You just made the case for a split using the football example. Catholic and St. Amant rivalry hasn't diminished and yet they play for separate state championships against teams who play by the same rules.
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Post by gallstar on Feb 15, 2019 19:19:22 GMT -6
no split is a good split. Keep the gators in the big boy league. Football our kids favorite game is EA and Catholic. Basketball same thing add in Dutchtown. Soccer same 3. I think a split is a cop out and a woe is me mentality. Yuck! You just made the case for a split using the football example. Catholic and St. Amant rivalry hasn't diminished and yet they play for separate state championships against teams who play by the same rules.
we would love only more to play them in the playoffs.
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Post by LAsoccercoach on Feb 16, 2019 22:17:29 GMT -6
Grew up in Virginia and graduated HS in '02, private and public play separately and even in separate seasons (private - fall, public - spring). Club soccer is way more important than HS soccer, the best (top 25-50 players in state) don't play for their HS teams (least not full time).
Say all that to say LA has always been a bit behind the times when it comes to soccer. Should the split happen (which it most likely will) you'll begin to see this same thing here in LA over the next several years.
As a coach of both club and HS I can say our current state of HS soccer is at a level of play that allows and encourages our best players to participate full time. Once split happens HS soccer will still continue with lots of popularity to the general public and observer. However the quality of play will eventually begin to dissipate as we will see the top 5-25 players for both boys and girls decide, as I and many of my teammates and friends across VA did back in the day, to simply play HS soccer sparingly when convenient since HS soccer doesn't materialize into an opportunity to be scouted/viewed by college coaches.
Imo the split will only expedite the eventual creation of a true DA Academy by one (maybe two) of the major clubs in LA...which good or bad is the most likely reality regardless of a split or no split at some point in the our states future soccer progression.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 17, 2019 8:37:51 GMT -6
Just curious- In VA, are high school coaches also mostly club coaches?
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Post by gallstar on Feb 17, 2019 9:22:59 GMT -6
I’m from Georgia and played club for Liverpool 75 Select out of StoneMountain as well as Cobb Union 75 Select and was on the state ODP team until 15. I was the top Goal scorer in Georgia as a senior in 1993 and played only as a guest player for two clubs. I quit club and ODP at this age because I wanted to play both Basketball and Soccer for my Highschool. I was recruited heavily in both Soccer and Basketball and never stepped back into club or ODP after 15. I chose Highschool sports for several reasons:
1) my friends were on those teams and by friends I mean kids I interacted with daily 2) my family was poor and couldn’t afford the extras but Highschool was an option 3) playing two sports was my favorite and it changed my body 4) the soccer scene in Georgia reminds me of Louisiana with one difference. Private schools played in a fall season and public played in the spring. Winter Soccer was impossible and the fall was reserved for Football. 5) The best still played soccer and the state allstar game was the only time we were combined. I still have a photo of the starting 11 from my team. All 11 either played college soccer or some other sport of their choice. 3 were all Americans in college and one was an NAIA all district 25 as a freshman. He also played basketball and Soccer for two years in college.
My point is that soccer matters more to the kids when they’re playing for their schools and peers. You can try and claim it’s about club and bad for this or that but the truth is when there is passion and it matters to the child that’s when we are hitting the right chords. It’s magical music not necessarily what the grown ups or the clubs deem “best” but it’s where the kids want to be. I know. I was once told you will never get an offer if you do blank. Well I was 6’5” 195 pounds and ran a 4.5 40 and had a ball on my weak foot since I was 5. They found me and they’ll find Zayne and Bridgewater and many other special players. Highschool =passion!
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Post by LAsoccercoach on Feb 17, 2019 14:00:12 GMT -6
Just curious- In VA, are high school coaches also mostly club coaches? It's similar to here in LA some programs have a teacher some have a "club" coach.
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Post by AgSurfer on Feb 17, 2019 16:23:29 GMT -6
Just curious- In VA, are high school coaches also mostly club coaches? It's similar to here in LA some programs have a teacher some have a "club" coach. And some teachers are club coaches. Lucky for their school team.
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Post by gallstar on Feb 17, 2019 20:31:22 GMT -6
It's similar to here in LA some programs have a teacher some have a "club" coach. And some teachers are club coaches. Lucky for their school team. St. Amant’s coach is a teacher and a club coach. He doubles as a shrink for myself and a couple others. Poor thing!
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Post by DocT on Feb 17, 2019 20:58:12 GMT -6
And some teachers are club coaches. Lucky for their school team. St. Amant’s coach is a teacher and a club coach. He doubles as a shrink for myself and a couple others. Poor thing! Send his contact please. I need help as well 🤠
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Post by beasleyisbeastly on Feb 21, 2019 19:30:20 GMT -6
If you win state after a split and truly feel like a real state champion then I feel sorry for you. Coward's way out
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Post by noonediesinsoccer on Feb 21, 2019 19:50:52 GMT -6
If you win state after a split and truly feel like a real state champion then I feel sorry for you. Coward's way out Why are you afraid to play by the same rules? If the select teams are that good then play with only the students who live in the public school district where your school is physically located.
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Post by spsfan100 on Feb 21, 2019 20:38:17 GMT -6
All of the public school students are going to school for free. That is an advantage.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Feb 21, 2019 20:45:17 GMT -6
The difference is not public or private but how many club players you have. On the girls side, STM who won tonight has 22 girls who play or have played at CSC. There may be a few others that play for another club.
Teurlings had 11. Truthfully I think this is also why south Louisiana teams typically dominate. In Lafayette there are 3 options for club soccer. If one was motivated they could easily drive to Baton Rouge as well. Lake Charles has a club and LAFAYETTE isn’t too far.
And once you get east of here- there are even more choices.
In north LA, I know Monroe occasionally had older teams when my daughter played but it’s pretty much Shreveport only. Depending on where you live, there may be Texas or Mississippi options but not nearly as many opportunities as in the south.
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Post by firebruin on Feb 21, 2019 21:00:52 GMT -6
All of the public school students are going to school for free. That is an advantage. Hmmm... This is somewhat true on some level.
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Post by sonics3 on Feb 21, 2019 21:04:21 GMT -6
All of the public school students are going to school for free. That is an advantage. Then go enroll in the public school in your attendance zone.
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Post by spsfan100 on Feb 21, 2019 21:08:32 GMT -6
My son didn’t want to. Why would it change things if St. Paul’s didn’t exist and they all went to Mandeville and won there instead?
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Post by sonics3 on Feb 21, 2019 21:17:21 GMT -6
My son didn’t want to. Why would it change things if St. Paul’s didn’t exist and they all went to Mandeville and won there instead? Dangerous to make an assumption on my part, but highly unlikely that all SPS players reside in the MHS attendance zone. Players split between Covington, Mandeville, Fontainebleau, and Lakeshore. My response was to you saying that public schools had an advantage not having to pay tuition. You have that same choice. Don’t fault you for it. SPS is a great school. Point being athletically, public and private don’t play by the same rules. When you are not bound by attendance zones or you can offer financial assistance you have advantages public schools don’t have.
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Post by spsfan100 on Feb 21, 2019 21:21:18 GMT -6
Over 90 percent would be at Mandeville if St. Paul’s didn’t exist. How exactly could someone with a financial discount for private school have a financial advantage over free public school? And nobody is getting financial assistance to play soccer for St. Paul’s.
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Post by kevin on Feb 21, 2019 21:23:08 GMT -6
All of the public school students are going to school for free. That is an advantage. Funny how the public school supporters here never seem to mention that fact. It's a massive, massive advantage that they have, but it obviously doesn't affect every sport equally. Think of all the rags-to-riches stories you hear of NFL or NBA players who grew up below the poverty line but had the talent and determination to become professional athletes. Football signing day was a couple weeks ago and there were tons of kids from public schools in Louisiana. I'm guessing that a lot of them could not afford $10k/year for a private school. And even if you think the private schools are being suspiciously generous with financial aid for certain athletically-gifted students, it's not like they can afford to handout financial aid to everyone. Obviously some schools are better off than others, but if you've been around education long enough you'll know that most schools have to run a very tight ship to stay afloat--keep tuition low enough, keep teacher salaries high enough, spend money on maintenance, facilities, technology, and everything else. But how many inner-city kids in New Orleans (or anywhere else in the state) play soccer before high school? I'm not talking club, I'm talking playground, P.E. class, pickup games, anything. For all the complaints about Evangel and Curtis in football, things were pretty even before the football split aside from those two schools. While I'll admit it's always been tough for some of the smaller public schools, at the 3A-4A-5A level the public schools were almost always well represented in the Superdome. Why? Because lots of their student population played football as kids. This is Louisiana--just about everyone played football as a kid. I did my one year of tackle football at the playground as an 8-year-old who played offensive guard and defensive tackle even though I was skinny as a twig. (Needless to say, that was the end of my football career.) As numerous people have already mentioned, the disparity is about the fact that youth soccer is not accessible enough to people who can't plunk down a couple thousand per year for a club team. I truly appreciate the people who are out there trying to remedy that by trying to provide club soccer at a more affordable price. In fact, if you're in New Orleans/Metairie/Kenner and want my help, let me know. I've got a USSF E coaching license and a referee license. Or I'll come report on your club's games and post the play-by-play here. Of course, with all that being said, here's the real issue that's being discussed in this thread: most people complaining here are parents from the top couple public school teams behind the teams such as Jesuit, St. Paul's, Holy Cross, etc. If it weren't for private schools, they'd be dominating every year. I'll admit it would be a bit more spread out. But it would still be the same few public school teams winning year after year--the big high schools from affluent communities with an experienced club player starting at every single position.
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Post by sonics3 on Feb 21, 2019 21:27:24 GMT -6
Well Mandeville would have a heck of a team then. Just how sure are you that no athletes get financial assistance at SPS? I didn’t specify soccer. Are you saying that the rules we all play by are equal?
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