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Post by AgSurfer on Feb 17, 2019 16:17:52 GMT -6
I hope St. Paul pounds Jesuit. Jesuit has no idea why I’m so against them and will still likely not get it after reading my view but here it goes! In 2003 quarter finals Gallstar had 14 kids he had coached in his spare time for 6 years. The first year I got them on my club team we were 3-18. That summer I told 16 kids to meet me at this park every night at 5:30. We went 17-1-1 the following season losing to Lafayette in the state finals. We won a lot of games. Their senior year they lost to Jesuit 1-0 on a PK. Jesuit was the worst winners I have ever seen. Never lost my distaste for them. Saw the same Trash talk after the Dutchtown win. St. Paul has ended St. Amant’s season two out of the last three years. Each time their parents line the entrance and hug and pat our kids on the back. That’s what winners do. So Jesuit be arrogant and just know it’s not admired! Read more: laprepsoccer.proboards.com/thread/23383/3rd-game?page=1#ixzz5foWoMq4g so you hate Jesuit because of an incident that happens in 2003? Idk if you watched the end of last year’s game but while the St. Paul’s players were down on the game they had just lost, countless Jesuit players when up to hug them and tell them how great it has been to play them for the past 10 or so years and how sad it is to be over. The same thing happened after the Catholic game that ended in PK’s. All y’all see it what gets put to the public, but every year Jesuit is pulling for St. Paul’s in the playoffs and vice versa because we want to play each other because we know that we bring the best out of each other on the field. Yes I’m a Jesuit alum and yes I was a part of that team last year and yes I knew many of the Saint Paul’s and catholic players since we were young. Unfortunately, at the end of last years game, many Jesuit fans (my guess they were mostly students) jumped the guard rail and ran onto the field, exactly like they were asked not to do. That is the type of arrogance people have a disdain for. I absolutely do not blame the players or coaches for that inexcusable fan behavior.
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Post by soccerfan583 on Feb 17, 2019 17:30:42 GMT -6
so you hate Jesuit because of an incident that happens in 2003? Idk if you watched the end of last year’s game but while the St. Paul’s players were down on the game they had just lost, countless Jesuit players when up to hug them and tell them how great it has been to play them for the past 10 or so years and how sad it is to be over. The same thing happened after the Catholic game that ended in PK’s. All y’all see it what gets put to the public, but every year Jesuit is pulling for St. Paul’s in the playoffs and vice versa because we want to play each other because we know that we bring the best out of each other on the field. Yes I’m a Jesuit alum and yes I was a part of that team last year and yes I knew many of the Saint Paul’s and catholic players since we were young. Unfortunately, at the end of last years game, many Jesuit fans (my guess they were mostly students) jumped the guard rail and ran onto the field, exactly like they were asked not to do. That is the type of arrogance people have a disdain for. I absolutely do not blame the players or coaches for that inexcusable fan behavior. that right there I am not against at all. Storming the field in celebration is one of the perks a team should get for winning. You cannot tell me that if you were one of those fans you would not have done the same thing. It’s not arrogant. It would be if nobody else’s does it after a win, but that’s not the case. I understand it can be a safety hazard which is why I’m assuming they were told not to, but let the kids have some fun. They did drive two and a half hours to supppsrt their team, why should the players get all the fun in a celebration. Plus, after that kind of game with that kind of ending there was no stopping it.
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Post by AgSurfer on Feb 17, 2019 19:01:05 GMT -6
Unfortunately, at the end of last years game, many Jesuit fans (my guess they were mostly students) jumped the guard rail and ran onto the field, exactly like they were asked not to do. That is the type of arrogance people have a disdain for. I absolutely do not blame the players or coaches for that inexcusable fan behavior. that right there I am not against at all. Storming the field in celebration is one of the perks a team should get for winning. You cannot tell me that if you were one of those fans you would not have done the same thing. It’s not arrogant. It would be if nobody else’s does it after a win, but that’s not the case. I understand it can be a safety hazard which is why I’m assuming they were told not to, but let the kids have some fun. They did drive two and a half hours to supppsrt their team, why should the players get all the fun in a celebration. Plus, after that kind of game with that kind of ending there was no stopping it. Sorry to break your bleeding little heart, but the PA announcer repeatedly addressed the crowd regarding this conduct at every game. Stop making excuses for a poor choice and bad behavior, and call it for what it was. Please do not try to justify their behavior based on your perceived idea of how I would have acted. Additionally, I have been to the last 8 championship games and Jesuit was in a few, and each game the same announcement is made to refrain from going onto the field. This was the first time I saw it happen. So, yes, it was arrogance and a complete lack of respect for ULL and the LHSAA. I agree kids need to have fun, but not when it is blatantly against the stated rules. There is an adage for this, 'Act like you have been there before', in Jesuit's case 11 times before.
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Post by Young gun on Feb 17, 2019 19:07:05 GMT -6
I am a Jesuit grad but think they are a dirty team. Played St Paul’s and Northshore ( thug life) and Jesuit was the dirtiest.
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Post by DocT on Feb 17, 2019 20:18:25 GMT -6
that right there I am not against at all. Storming the field in celebration is one of the perks a team should get for winning. You cannot tell me that if you were one of those fans you would not have done the same thing. It’s not arrogant. It would be if nobody else’s does it after a win, but that’s not the case. I understand it can be a safety hazard which is why I’m assuming they were told not to, but let the kids have some fun. They did drive two and a half hours to supppsrt their team, why should the players get all the fun in a celebration. Plus, after that kind of game with that kind of ending there was no stopping it. Sorry to break your bleeding little heart, but the PA announcer repeatedly addressed the crowd regarding this conduct at every game. Stop making excuses for a poor choice and bad behavior, and call it for what it was. Please do not try to justify their behavior based on your perceived idea of how I would have acted. Additionally, I have been to the last 8 championship games and Jesuit was in a few, and each game the same announcement is made to refrain from going onto the field. This was the first time I saw it happen. So, yes, it was arrogance and a complete lack of respect for ULL and the LHSAA. I agree kids need to have fun, but not when it is blatantly against the stated rules. There is an adage for this, 'Act like you have been there before', in Jesuit's case 11 times before. I as well have been to many championships and the crowd had been warned throughout the night. Many, many, many times. Never happened. Until last year. Coincidence? Maybe. Blame the cracklins from Don’s. 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by AgSurfer on Feb 17, 2019 20:45:17 GMT -6
Sorry to break your bleeding little heart, but the PA announcer repeatedly addressed the crowd regarding this conduct at every game. Stop making excuses for a poor choice and bad behavior, and call it for what it was. Please do not try to justify their behavior based on your perceived idea of how I would have acted. Additionally, I have been to the last 8 championship games and Jesuit was in a few, and each game the same announcement is made to refrain from going onto the field. This was the first time I saw it happen. So, yes, it was arrogance and a complete lack of respect for ULL and the LHSAA. I agree kids need to have fun, but not when it is blatantly against the stated rules. There is an adage for this, 'Act like you have been there before', in Jesuit's case 11 times before. I as well have been to many championships and the crowd had been warned throughout the night. Many, many, many times. Never happened. Until last year. Coincidence? Maybe. Blame the cracklins from Don’s. 🤷🏼♂️ If that's the cause, the might as well bury me in the middle of the field now!
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Post by DocT on Feb 17, 2019 20:53:10 GMT -6
I as well have been to many championships and the crowd had been warned throughout the night. Many, many, many times. Never happened. Until last year. Coincidence? Maybe. Blame the cracklins from Don’s. 🤷🏼♂️ If that's the cause, the might as well bury me in the middle of the field now! Good stuff right there!
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Post by vistajay on Feb 17, 2019 23:05:27 GMT -6
I hope St. Paul pounds Jesuit. Jesuit has no idea why I’m so against them and will still likely not get it after reading my view but here it goes! In 2003 quarter finals Gallstar had 14 kids he had coached in his spare time for 6 years. The first year I got them on my club team we were 3-18. That summer I told 16 kids to meet me at this park every night at 5:30. We went 17-1-1 the following season losing to Lafayette in the state finals. We won a lot of games. Their senior year they lost to Jesuit 1-0 on a PK. Jesuit was the worst winners I have ever seen. Never lost my distaste for them. Saw the same Trash talk after the Dutchtown win. St. Paul has ended St. Amant’s season two out of the last three years. Each time their parents line the entrance and hug and pat our kids on the back. That’s what winners do. So Jesuit be arrogant and just know it’s not admired! Read more: laprepsoccer.proboards.com/thread/23383/3rd-game?page=1#ixzz5foWoMq4gFor some reason, I am beginning to doubt the promise of unbiased reporting, lol.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 17, 2019 23:07:14 GMT -6
that right there I am not against at all. Storming the field in celebration is one of the perks a team should get for winning. You cannot tell me that if you were one of those fans you would not have done the same thing. It’s not arrogant. It would be if nobody else’s does it after a win, but that’s not the case. I understand it can be a safety hazard which is why I’m assuming they were told not to, but let the kids have some fun. They did drive two and a half hours to supppsrt their team, why should the players get all the fun in a celebration. Plus, after that kind of game with that kind of ending there was no stopping it. Sorry to break your bleeding little heart, but the PA announcer repeatedly addressed the crowd regarding this conduct at every game. Stop making excuses for a poor choice and bad behavior, and call it for what it was. Please do not try to justify their behavior based on your perceived idea of how I would have acted. Additionally, I have been to the last 8 championship games and Jesuit was in a few, and each game the same announcement is made to refrain from going onto the field. This was the first time I saw it happen. So, yes, it was arrogance and a complete lack of respect for ULL and the LHSAA. I agree kids need to have fun, but not when it is blatantly against the stated rules. There is an adage for this, 'Act like you have been there before', in Jesuit's case 11 times before. Yes... listen to that PA ANNOUNCER... always!
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Post by beauchenecoach on Feb 17, 2019 23:12:12 GMT -6
I hope St. Paul pounds Jesuit. Jesuit has no idea why I’m so against them and will still likely not get it after reading my view but here it goes! In 2003 quarter finals Gallstar had 14 kids he had coached in his spare time for 6 years. The first year I got them on my club team we were 3-18. That summer I told 16 kids to meet me at this park every night at 5:30. We went 17-1-1 the following season losing to Lafayette in the state finals. We won a lot of games. Their senior year they lost to Jesuit 1-0 on a PK. Jesuit was the worst winners I have ever seen. Never lost my distaste for them. Saw the same Trash talk after the Dutchtown win. St. Paul has ended St. Amant’s season two out of the last three years. Each time their parents line the entrance and hug and pat our kids on the back. That’s what winners do. So Jesuit be arrogant and just know it’s not admired! Read more: laprepsoccer.proboards.com/thread/23383/3rd-game?page=1#ixzz5foWoMq4gFor some reason, I am beginning to doubt the promise of unbiased reporting, lol. I promise you the PA ANNOUNCER will be unbiased
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Post by uhscubs1 on Feb 18, 2019 5:16:15 GMT -6
For some reason, I am beginning to doubt the promise of unbiased reporting, lol. I promise you the PA ANNOUNCER will be unbiased Hmmmm do you know the PA ANNOUNCER?
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Post by onthefly on Feb 18, 2019 21:18:11 GMT -6
This whole thread got out of hand because people are very silly ( this is why I usually only post scores). The point I was trying to make with my offhanded comment was that the select schools can pull players from all over a region whereas public schools have to stay within district boundaries created by their parish school boards. That is a fact! All of this was brought up in the Select/Non Select thread that people have been posting on for over a week. So I apologize for insinuating that St Paul’s and Jesuit recruit. What both of these coaches have done is created excellent programs that attract the best players in their area and the parents and players should be thankful they have them for coaches. Agree totally about the coaches. But to address your point, if there is a select school advantage, it’s only for freshman. Select means there is a select admissions policy and it can be a public or private select school. If a student attends a district, non-select school, and lives out the district, the student is not eligible for one year. All the member schools need to do is to amend the archaic rule for the non-select schools. They should create a pathway to let the students go wherever they want initially and with minimal restriction on transfers. Problem is solvable, but Lhsaa is about 30 years behind, trying to create restrictions based upon a model that doesn’t exist for any sport but football, that mentality only hurts both the student and athletics in general. Club sports develop the student athletes and the LHS “Athletic” assn. needs to embrace the “athletes” wherever they reside, and wherever they choose to go to school, and embrace and recognize that clubs are the central place these athletes develop. Once this occurs, we get back on track.
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Post by AgSurfer on Feb 19, 2019 0:33:33 GMT -6
This whole thread got out of hand because people are very silly ( this is why I usually only post scores). The point I was trying to make with my offhanded comment was that the select schools can pull players from all over a region whereas public schools have to stay within district boundaries created by their parish school boards. That is a fact! All of this was brought up in the Select/Non Select thread that people have been posting on for over a week. So I apologize for insinuating that St Paul’s and Jesuit recruit. What both of these coaches have done is created excellent programs that attract the best players in their area and the parents and players should be thankful they have them for coaches. Agree totally about the coaches. But to address your point, if there is a select school advantage, it’s only for freshman. Select means there is a select admissions policy and it can be a public or private select school. If a student attends a district, non-select school, and lives out the district, the student is not eligible for one year. All the member schools need to do is to amend the archaic rule for the non-select schools. They should create a pathway to let the students go wherever they want initially and with minimal restriction on transfers. Problem is solvable, but Lhsaa is about 30 years behind, trying to create restrictions based upon a model that doesn’t exist for any sport but football, that mentality only hurts both the student and athletics in general. Club sports develop the student athletes and the LHS “Athletic” assn. needs to embrace the “athletes” wherever they reside, and wherever they choose to go to school, and embrace and recognize that clubs are the central place these athletes develop. Once this occurs, we get back on track. Kids were picking their school of choice back in the 80's and early 90's in the Parish I taught in. School A had the best football team, school B had better baseball team and school C was good in track. The kids good in multiple sports would use relatives addresses to register at each school during that sport season. These kids struggled in the academic side and many failed the Exit Exam requiring summer school and remediation. That is one of the reasons for the "bona fide move" rule. As for "clubs are the central place these athletes develop" goes, what about those "athletes" who do not play club soccer? The first and most important job of the "schools" is to educate the students. Athletics is a byproduct of meeting a minimum academic standard, hence, extracurricular. As I stated in another thread, the Parish School Boards run the schools. They in turn are governed by the BESE Board. Each year there is a finite amount of $$ to split between the Parishes. As important as all extracurricular groups and activities are for high school students, they are secondary to the main focus and job of the schools. If you have never taught in a public school, then you will not know how much student population at a school affects a school. From number of teachers the school is allowed to have, number of cafeteria workers, resource teachers and resource Officer(s). Additionally, class size is affected (student/teacher ratio). Principals and the teacher's union will fight this to the extreme. After saying all of this, I do believe families should be able to pick where their child goes to school based on availability. Just as private/parochial schools have student population restraints so will public schools. Kids who reside in that attendance zone cannot be turned away, but after that, someone with much more brain power than I, will have to come up with a way to equitably choose the students from outside the attendance zone.
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Post by onthefly on Feb 19, 2019 15:36:52 GMT -6
I get the budget issues. My remarks are addressed to the LHSAA, the athletic association, concerned about athletics primarily, not academics. LHSAA is private and has no jurisdiction over education in the schools or the boards or BESE. The academic side sets its own standards, as do parents, and the LHSAA can't interfere there, except to enforce DQ guidelines agreed to by its member principals. As to clubs, I guess better phraseology would be "when clubs are the central place where these athletes develop," the LHS “Athletic” assn. should embrace those “athletes” wherever they reside, and wherever they choose to go to school, and embrace and recognize, and accept the resource that these clubs provide to young athletes in HS. LHSAA should encourage all athletes to bring their talents to HS. The HS football model is not applicable to the vast majority of other sports in HS and youth sports. I brought up soccer because this is a soccer board, and I think what I'm saying here is very applicable to soccer. It's unlikely that any players in D1 soccer championship did not play club. Face the facts - soccer, tennis, swimming, golf, wrestling, baseball, volleyball, basketball, rugby, lacrosse, just a few named here, are all significantly learned outside of school. To be contemporary, the LHSAA needs to get with the times and change its model to accommodate the options and advantages that the students are already using. Restricting coaches, restricting players, and manufacturing obstacles to participation of students in athletic events or any extra-curricular activity is not the job for the LHSAA.
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Post by jaystothelaff on Feb 19, 2019 17:42:04 GMT -6
From a totally non-biased prospective, just reading this thread, it seems as though the St. Paul's bias in Louisiana is alive and well. Everyone seems to be against Jesuit, yet there seems to be no reason. Sure its fans rushed the field, what would any other high school kids do if their team won in such dramatic fashion. Everyone needs to realize that this game means more to these kids than anything right now, it sure did when I played. From a biased prospective, I hope everyone calls last year a fluke, theres nothing better than playing as an underdog. What I truly think is going on is St. Paul's is scared. They've finally been beaten, they've been proven to be mortal after all, and everyone, especially their head coach, is freaking out about it. I for one love it. As the sun sets on one dynasty, it shall shine upon the other. And if that scares you, St. Paul's, or Moser, good. We'll see you on the pitch.
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Post by soccerfan583 on Feb 19, 2019 17:42:30 GMT -6
I feel like letting the kids go wherever they want won’t really change much. Kids don’t pick schools on athletics for the most part. At least that is how it is for private schools. My club team could have easily assembled a super team that would have won state four years in a row, but that didn’t happen. 4 of our best players on my club team decided to go to a different schools for varies reason.
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Post by coyi on Feb 19, 2019 17:55:56 GMT -6
Just moving from up north and having two boys that were going into their junior and senior year, we did pay attention to academics but also the sports programs. We did our research and wanted solid coaching and good sports programs. Academics were fairly good regardless on the Northshore. We chose our house based on the price and location of a target school with the sports programs we were looking for. Each family I’m sure is a little different but parents do look at sports programs for their kids. If I would have known St. Paul’s was only $7500 a year. 😂
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Post by AgSurfer on Feb 19, 2019 18:53:30 GMT -6
From a totally non-biased prospective, just reading this thread, it seems as though the St. Paul's bias in Louisiana is alive and well. Everyone seems to be against Jesuit, yet there seems to be no reason. Sure its fans rushed the field, what would any other high school kids do if their team won in such dramatic fashion. Everyone needs to realize that this game means more to these kids than anything right now, it sure did when I played. From a biased prospective, I hope everyone calls last year a fluke, theres nothing better than playing as an underdog. What I truly think is going on is St. Paul's is scared. They've finally been beaten, they've been proven to be mortal after all, and everyone, especially their head coach, is freaking out about it. I for one love it. As the sun sets on one dynasty, it shall shine upon the other. And if that scares you, St. Paul's, or Moser, good. We'll see you on the pitch.I love your totally non-biased "prospective".
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Post by Jays_blue on Feb 19, 2019 19:42:16 GMT -6
Gallstar, as my great aunt used to say "Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment." 2003 was 16 years ago. Let it go. Also, do not talk about my momma like that! She once was on the sidelines watching me play in blue and white. She's a classy woman, and I do not appreciate you insulting her in such a tasteless fashion. It seems to me that you have some internal issues that you are taking out on the beloved Jesuit Blue Jays. 1) Don't talk about my momma 2) Don't talk about my Doritos. Lastly, the things Moser said to my teammates and I in the final game last year could not even be said on this thread, or I would be kicked off of Laprep. I'll leave you with this quote: "Do not judge a book by it's cover." Anyways, Go Jays!
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Post by pjpsoccerdad2020 on Feb 19, 2019 20:16:25 GMT -6
From a totally non-biased prospective, just reading this thread, it seems as though the St. Paul's bias in Louisiana is alive and well. Everyone seems to be against Jesuit, yet there seems to be no reason. Sure its fans rushed the field, what would any other high school kids do if their team won in such dramatic fashion. Everyone needs to realize that this game means more to these kids than anything right now, it sure did when I played. From a biased prospective, I hope everyone calls last year a fluke, theres nothing better than playing as an underdog. What I truly think is going on is St. Paul's is scared. They've finally been beaten, they've been proven to be mortal after all, and everyone, especially their head coach, is freaking out about it. I for one love it. As the sun sets on one dynasty, it shall shine upon the other. And if that scares you, St. Paul's, or Moser, good. We'll see you on the pitch. Good grief. It is quite shameful that such a storied soccer program in the history of our state has some of the most insecure fans around. Please try to hold back your tears and fears until Saturday.
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