Wins Club

[coachray40]

Just a little bit of useful/useless statistical info on the # of wins plateaus for teams statewide.

20
Jesuit

19
Teurlings

14
Caddo Magnet, Deridder

13
Parkway, Shreve, Carencro

12
Fontainebleau

11
Menard, St Thomas More, Central Lafourche, Brother Martin

10
Ponchatoula, Lafayette, NISH, Acadiana, Rummel, Neville, Woodlawn, East Ascension, St Louis


9
Airline, Comeaux, St Amant, Lee, St Pauls, Newman
8

Pineville, Dutchtown, Alexandria, Tara, Ruston, Sulphur, Northshore

[coachray40]

Heres some more interesting stats:

Top 20 teams in Goals scored--

1) Deridder-70
2) Jesuit-69
3) Teurlings-68
4) Tara -66
5) Parkway-61
6) Shreve-55
7) Caddo Magnet-54
8) Airline - 52
9) St Amant -51
10) Menard, Acadiana- 50
12) Pineville -48
13) Fontainebleau-47
14) Lafayette, Lee-45
16)St Pauls, St Thomas More, Carencro-44
19) Central Lafourche, Brother Martin-43

[coachray40]

Top 20 teams in fewest goals allowed(minimum 14 games)

1) Jesuit-2
2) Lafayette, Brother Martin-8
4) Teurlings, Carencro-11
6) Acadiana, St Thomas More -12
8) Dutchtown-13
9) Fontainebleau, Catholic-BR-14
11) Neville-15
12) Ponchatoula, Northshore-16
14) Lee, Ruston-17
16) Episcopal-BR-18
17) St Louis, Parkway-19
19) St Micheals, Shreve, Tara-20
20) Rummel-21

[mrdashriprock]

and when you combine all three lists in order of rank (excl. names not found in all three lists) you get (drum roll) …
1. Jesuit
2. Teurlings
3. Caddo
4. Carencro
5. (tie) Lafayette
6. (tie) St Thomas More
7. Neville
8. Acadiana
There's that Lafayette power base showing up again

[lakeview]

Allright, I gotta hear this, how was the goal scored on Jesuit?

[PutMeInCoach2]

lakeview said:

Allright, I gotta hear this, how was the goal scored on Jesuit?

Think it was in the Texas tournament when they had their jv in, or thats what was reported

[soccerstud722]

Any teams besides jesuit still undefeated?

[alfred]

soccerstud722 said:

Any teams besides jesuit still undefeated?

Bro. Martin

[pitcrazynumero1]

mrdashriprock said:

and when you combine all three lists in order of rank (excl. names not found in all three lists) you get (drum roll) …
1. Jesuit
2. Teurlings
3. Caddo
4. Carencro
5. (tie) Lafayette
6. (tie) St Thomas More
7. Neville
8. Acadiana
There's that Lafayette power base showing up again

id have to put deridder in there

[pilot87]

pretty nice stats by plenty of teams, thx for the info. coachray...

Pitcrazy
why do you think deritter should be there? While they have scored alot of points they aren't on the top team list for points given up and they have score most of there points against very weak teams. win a few big games against the top teams and then you might have an arguement.

[lakeview]

Goat, have you heard of the Bucket for Deridder? Awesome.

[coachray40]

bump

[coach522]

I believe this started with the comment "...useful/useless..." and it really is...how many goals have not been scored b/c players are told not to score more or jv is put into the match? then add in the actual number of matches these schools have played. Adds for interesting reassessment.

[Pitchstalker]

my opininion...this information is totally useless, especially when used in isolation like it is...Wins against who? Goals against who?...most of the teams listed for "top goals" have wins of 10 or more goals against one team or multiple 7-8 goal wins. Cross reference it with goals against top ten teams or teams that have been in the top ten at one time...or something similar and then you may have something useful.

[ShreveDad]

Have to agree with Pitchstalker on goals scored. Totally meaningless stat. Airline has 2 wins where they scored around 35 goals in the 2 matches. Their goalie is still in 8th place on the Shreveport-Bossier goals scored list.

Goals allowed is one stat I think is important. That list seems to have lots of top 10 teams on it.

[coachray40]

As Mary Chapin Carpenter once sang, "The stars might lie, but the numbers never do," and I think in this case, that is true. I don’t necessarily disagree with the uselessness of this compilation(I was bored one night so I spent some time putting some lists together), but if you take time to examine these numbers for what they are worth, maybe a clearer picture of some teams develops. First off, the key to being successful (i.e.-winning) is scoring goals and then not allowing them. Using the inclusion of a team in the Top 10 rankings in a specific Division as our benchmark for determining success, we can find 18 of 24 teams (75%) currently listed in "Wins Club" either having a current ranking or under consideration. Under goals scored( a stat considered useless--and in some cases is) we find only 3 teams out of 20 that have either no ranking or no consideration--that’s 85% of the teams in the Top 20 in goals scored that are also ranked or under consideration. Under goals against though, we find 5 teams there that have no ranking or no consideration (so 75% of the teams on this list are ranked or have been considered with votes.)

What this tells me is that successful teams are scoring goals and not giving them up--big surprise. Let’s go a step further. There are 9 teams on all three lists: Jesuit, Teurlings, Caddo, Carencro, Neville, St Thomas More, Lafayette, Acadiana, Lee. All of these teams are currently either ranked or under consideration, with all three currently ranked #1's. The biggest surprise here might be Neville--unranked currently, but quietly getting the job done. In a historically weak D2, why isn’t this team getting more consideration? I think they have a right to request more respect from the pollsters.

As for anomaly’s, I will concede there are always exceptions to statistical compilation. Shrevedad, you and Pitch are both correct in some regard, and your use of Airline is a good point. Another one might be Tara. Tara's 61 goals looks great, but then page over to the records and results thread and you see they have played a bakery full of cupcakes. What that tells me is that they will probably struggle against higher quality teams--but that is what this statistical analysis is designed to show. Armed with what we now have discovered about Neville and Tara, both of whom are in D2, why would any pollster rank Tara before Neville?

As we see here, over ranking can be exposed by statistics. Our current pollsters have Ben Franklin and Vandebilt ranked in D2--I have been railing against this all season. Neither team shows up in Wins for, goals for, or goals against. Many of our pollsters keep using the "Well they have played a tough schedule" approach, yet neither of these teams is having much success a) winning, b) scoring, or c) keeping the ball out of their own net. I would expect a claim made for their inclusion into our current rankings to be backed up by statistical analysis showing the claim to be true. I could see their inclusion in the rankings if they made one of the three lists (i.e. St Louis, who shows up on the least goals scored list) but they make none, and have been shown statistically not to be worthy.

Again, these lists are used to give amore in-depth look at individual teams and help us to make informed decisions about each. I'll use my own team as an example--St Amant has a decent record at 8-2-3, and has scored a bunch of goals. Looking at the goals allowed list though they are nowhere to be seen. Right away that would tell me as an objective observer is that the Gators might have some defensive issues. Very correct, as defensive organization has been a soft underbelly for St Amant this year. Armed with this info, then page over to the results thread and see St Amant with some good wins, some bad losses, and some odd ties. Add it all up and what do you get? A decent 5A team, certainly not unbeatable, with some quality players that really don’t deserved to be ranked right now, but are good enough to cause other teams problems if the Gators play to their capability and the opposition doesn’t. That doesn’t mean St Amant is great or sucks, it’s just a picture of the team we are looking at. I'll do Dutchtown, as Pitch is my bud and won’t take anything personal. Just outside of the wins list, not on goals scored for but has a ridiculously good goals against average(trademark of a Larry Chambless coached team). I page over to the results section and see who they have played--wow! Very difficult schedule up to now (As always). Definitely a rankable team based on their results, yet a team that right now lacks offensive punch. Coach Chambless will be the first one to tell you that scoring goals this year was his biggest concern. What does the picture show us? Dtown is nasty good in the back, and can play with anybody. Score on them and you might be okay, because the Griffins have to manufacture goals, but you better score, because they aren’t going to give you too many chances. End result is a team that will compete yet again with the big boys in Tournaments and that will advance in the state tournament, but one that might have trouble against teams with comparable defenses to their own. That’s the whole point of putting these lists together, so that rather than having some guys who are supposed to be objective anointing teams with deserved or undeserved recognition due to personal opinion, they can have the tools to back up their opinions with facts.

[coachray40]

My previous post was done a couple of days ago. Lot has changed. Again, the lists provided are for statistical analysis. Use it for whatever you like.

I also think that the points I provided about Tara, Neville, and Ben Franklin are still valid.

As for my model of Dutchtown--throw that away. Ya'll scored on Jesuit, so as far as I am concerned, DHS has the best attack in the state ;D!

[ka4]

lets not forget that Dutchtown's goal on Jesuit was the result of a very questionable penalty kick in which the Jesuit starting keeper was given a questionable yellow card so that is how they scored

[icarustea]

This is just awesome, coachray. I thought I was the only one that looked at statistics to figure out tactics. Nice job.