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Post by timaeus on Dec 27, 2006 18:06:45 GMT -6
Can anyone define it in concrete terms?
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Post by stafan119 on Dec 27, 2006 21:06:44 GMT -6
what the hell is dock soccer?
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Post by pitcrazynumero1 on Dec 27, 2006 23:10:29 GMT -6
i believe dock soccer is the playing of soccer on a wharf, dock, wooded area over the water, etc
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Post by teched80 on Dec 28, 2006 10:15:17 GMT -6
Every team likes to have supportive fans. At the high school level it is the job of a school system to teach character education to the students. It matters not if the students are in the doors of a school building or at an athletic activity. The coach naming this group of kids the "Pit Crazies" adds to their ferver in taunting, yelling at, demeaning opponents and officials of the game. It seems that the coach is proud of this type of behavior or he would disassociate himself with their actions. Instead he continually provokes their behavior. The true essence of sportsmanship is put aside to have a home field advantage of yelling students. What coach or admininistration of a school system would tolerate this behavior? High school soccer games should have security or adimistrators to tone down such behavior. The coach should also play a part in in controlling this behavior. It appears in this case that the coach is using these kids as a method of taunting opponents. Not a very good example to teach high school kids. Message boards like this one are a breeding ground for trash talk. Why would coaches use this forum to hang out dirty laundry? Why would a coach applaud students for behavior that is not appropriate for a high school setting? These are all questions that are not being answered here. Instead the focus is on two coaches and a group of students conducting trash talk. Shame on everyone involved with this.
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Post by lakeview on Dec 28, 2006 11:29:09 GMT -6
Let's see: tech80, have you been to a game there? why are you reading trash talk?
Anyone else agree that this is rb with a new name?
Gotcha.
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Post by on Dec 28, 2006 11:39:57 GMT -6
give me a break teched80. i guess you would also like to see the fans sit together holding hands and signing each others fight songs. i hope you never go to an acadiana ram football game, the soccer players and the baseball players paint themselves and even run ahead of the team when they brake throught the sign to start the game. they get real crazy and it is a great part of the game.
you sound like some of those guys who would rather not keep score and have a cake sale after the game, please tell me this isn't so!!!!
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Post by coachray40 on Dec 28, 2006 12:22:40 GMT -6
goat--how dare you refer to them as "fight" songs--that has a very immoral and violence inflected tinge to it. That type of behavior shouldnt be provoked. Perhaps we could call them "peace" songs instead.
teched80--let me go get my mandolin, my sandals, and old Mamas and Papas 8 track, and sit round the incense burner chanting. whatever
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Post by teched80 on Dec 28, 2006 12:58:28 GMT -6
I have been part of high school sports for a number of years. I have coached both football and baseball at the high school level. This has nothing to do with fight songs or breaking through cheer groups signs at the beginning of games. Players can paint faces but taunting on a football field gets you a 15 yard penalty. The whole essence of of my message is taunting from a group of students in a high school game should not be tolerated by school officials. Coach Ray your obviously missing my point as well. As a leader and role model to young men your actions and words are taken seriouly. Instead of continuing to add fuel to their fire you should perhaps try to control their taunting ways. I'm not sure if you are a CECP off campus coach or on staff at the school. Your actions are taken seriously by young adults. The administration of the school should take an active role in curtailing the behavior of its staff and students. By the way I not here to read trash talk. I enjoy high school sports and this is a good place to keep track of scores and sometimes inside info on teams to watch. I did happen to see the infamous "pit crazies" in action. Parents near me were appauled by their behavior. Their actions went beyond support of a team, more along the lines of taunting players and officials.
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Post by stafan119 on Dec 28, 2006 13:33:50 GMT -6
I have been part of high school sports for a number of years. I have coached both football and baseball at the high school level. This has nothing to do with fight songs or breaking through cheer groups signs at the beginning of games. Players can paint faces but taunting on a football field gets you a 15 yard penalty. The whole essence of of my message is taunting from a group of students in a high school game should not be tolerated by school officials. Coach Ray your obviously missing my point as well. As a leader and role model to young men your actions and words are taken seriouly. Instead of continuing to add fuel to their fire you should perhaps try to control their taunting ways. I'm not sure if you are a CECP off campus coach or on staff at the school. Your actions are taken seriously by young adults. The administration of the school should take an active role in curtailing the behavior of its staff and students. By the way I not here to read trash talk. I enjoy high school sports and this is a good place to keep track of scores and sometimes inside info on teams to watch. I did happen to see the infamous "pit crazies" in action. Parents near me were appauled by their behavior. Their actions went beyond support of a team, more along the lines of taunting players and officials. did you hear what we were saying? no. was it visiting parents who were "appauled" because they have never seen a student section at a soccer game? most likely. so why dont you get off our back, sayin that we taunt the players and stuff. this thread is about dock soccer anyway. if you wanna say that we are bad kids and all that, there is a Pit Crazy thread. why dont you try finding it next time.
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Post by coachray40 on Dec 28, 2006 14:01:26 GMT -6
well teche--thanks for pointing out to me that I alone am responsible for the gradual decline in western civilization. I hear what you are saying, but I dont agree. I take the Charles Barkley approach to "being a role model". I have that obligation to 2 young boys at my house, and to no others. I would hope that each and every one of the boys (and girls--as some of the infamous Pit Crazies are female) that cheer or play at The Pit look towards their own parents as thier role models, because last time I checked, being the fans role model wasnt in the description of head soccer coach. I certainly get tired of parents who want to blame theirs or someone elses childs misfortune or misguidance on the evil of their personally appointed poor role models, all the while removing their own responsibility for the upbringing of their own children. Thats real convenient for some parents. Ultimately I am responsible for 1 thing at St Amant HS--fulfilling the duties of boys soccer coach. That means coaching my boys in a positive manner, leading them through structure and providing them with a safe environment to practice and play in. I am not responsible for their grades, their morality, their nocturnal habits, what they pierce, how they dress, how long their hair is, their inevitable experimentation with tobacco, alcohol, drugs or sex, or what they listen to--thats YOUR job as parent. Same thing for the fans. If you have big problems with how another kid acts, then ask them if thier parents are there and speak to them, or better yet, call thier folks at home and invite them to come see the behavior of thier child. Then those parents can decide how they want to deal with THIER children. I'm not even coming close to saying that The Crazies have poor upbringings--I think they are group of pretty decent kids--what I am saying is that just because you find something objectionable by your standards doesnt make it so. Thats the great thing about being a parent--I dont have to listen to you as to how I want to raise my own kid. As for the Pit Crazies, dont try to make me out as the evil contibutor to their misdeeds. They pay their money and come support thier teams. We have given them clear instructions on what we think is acceptable, and so far they have abided by them for the most part. When they have stepped close to or over the line, we have immediately stepped in and tried to straighten them up(not that we have had to do much) and the Crazies have done just as they have been asked, without contempt. We have a school adminstrator (which has included our principal, assist. principal, AD and assistant AD) at EVERY HOME VARSITY MATCH, and so far none of them have said a word about the behavior of the fans at our games. As i said before, there is no team that has played at The Pit this year that had a more raucous reception to them than EA--and they and their fans just laughed it off and kept coming. At the end, we all smiled at each other at the end of the game and it was over...period. I havent heard from one EA parent telling me that their child has a permanent emotional scar for the hateful abuse they took.
In the end, we once again have what I call the "T.O. effect". TO, Dallas wide receiver is abhorred by just about all sports fans, yet we still pay attention to his antics. Let him go, ignore him, and he will gradually become a non factor. Instead, we keep feeding the Troll. So go ahead and keep pounding the Crazies, keep slamming me for being the soccer antichrist and the cause of all that is bad in America(no Wheaties box for ole coach ray), and then stand there and wonder why they keep coming to the Pit to watch us play, wonder why they have an effect on the other team, and why guys like TO still have a place to play next year, and the year after ...........
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Post by timaeus on Dec 28, 2006 14:20:16 GMT -6
How parochial. I'm glad when I was growing up, my high school coach taught us character on and off the field. Sure the burden of responsibility is with parents, but elders like teachers, coaches, and community leaders should have the desire to build up children with character. As Hillary said, "It takes a village."
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Post by teched80 on Dec 28, 2006 14:50:07 GMT -6
Timeaus has wisdom for all times. Coach Ray once you put the hat of coach in a high school setting it is your responsibility to develop the student through your actions and words. You better read your job description more thoroughly. In today's high school setting character education is as important as the 3 R's. An educator or coach will probably spend more time with kids than parents do in a typical week. Your words in your last response should bring questions about your ethics to work with young adults. This by no means cuts your ability to coach. I think your coaching abilities are admirable. Working with young adults is a job for everone involved in the life of a kid; parents. educators, coaches. clergy and adults they come in contact with. For someone in your position to say it is the parents responsibility is a travesty.
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Post by on Dec 28, 2006 15:01:53 GMT -6
wow coachray hold out your hands so i can slap your wrist with my ruler. i for one have seen the crazys in action up close and personal. they did not offend me at all. i thought there knowledge of the game was terrible but other than that i think they actually motivate the opposing team. did ya'll happen to read the post for the player from catholic high. i know my son enjoyed play against teams that had great or loud or crazy crowed support. have you ever been to an acadiana, lafayette soccer game teached80 the crowed at those games make the crazys look like girl scouts.
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Post by froshtwins on Dec 28, 2006 15:39:09 GMT -6
enuf already!
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Post by on Dec 28, 2006 15:48:00 GMT -6
froshwins i can see by the # of post you have written you are new to the site, at least as a poster. if you don't like this thread don't read it anymore enuf said!
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Post by froshtwins on Dec 28, 2006 16:16:04 GMT -6
G-man (sounds like a '40's government agent!) - I actually became a member a month before you. I'm just more judicious in my posts. As to the main point - it's not about disliking the thread. It's about how this topic, the ray ray wars, has taken over what i thought was supposed to be a site to discuss/promote soccer, not to continue to argue about what level of ridicule is appropriate. The crazies are going to continue to do what they do - there will be supporters and detractors. The "rays" should agree to disagree. I would just like to see an end to the proliferation of these posts. No need for cum ba ya, just move on.
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Post by on Dec 28, 2006 16:27:10 GMT -6
froshwins i have been a poster, and moderator, (until i was demoted, lol) on this site for many years. i had a problem with my computer and had to log on as goatman not goat as i was called for many years. i actually have well over 1000 post on this site and they range from serious to rediculos, ray and i sometimes like to stir the pot. i wish you could have been a member when mcscruff and hdkiga were on this site you would have gone completely crazy. please endulge a few old farts and let us have a little fun OK. if you knew me you would know that i have been invoved in soccer as a coach, ref, annoncer, parent, board member, and fan for many years. if you want to talk serious about the game i can do that too.
have fun and enjoy the site froshwins, but please allow me to have fun while i am on it.
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Post by pitcrazynumero1 on Dec 28, 2006 16:28:27 GMT -6
dear youg man of goat descendants, why dont you get your all mighty acadiana slash lafayette crowd to a game and us crazies can meet up and see who the real fans are
as for techster over yonder...i think the thread is dock soccer...not bash stamant because we are so-called rednecks...sorry we arent upper class and wear scarfs and applaud and sit down instead of being vocal so our players can hear us
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Post by froshtwins on Dec 28, 2006 16:32:15 GMT -6
G-man: Thanks for the insight. Go ahead and knock your socks off.
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Post by on Dec 28, 2006 16:45:06 GMT -6
pitcrazy it wouldn't even be a contest! sorry but you can't play with the big boys or out crazy the big boys, LOL!!
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