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Post by roark on May 25, 2006 17:30:45 GMT -6
why is owen hargreaves in the 23 man squad again ?
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Post by premierx9 on May 25, 2006 19:28:44 GMT -6
well he actually did very well from what i saw in this game.. but then again i only saw the last 30 minutes so i dont know
i was impressed though
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Post by roark on May 26, 2006 9:40:03 GMT -6
he was terrible...he couldn't complete a pass if his life depended on it
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Post by usasoccerboy on May 26, 2006 17:07:35 GMT -6
Don't you just love the B team thing.
LOL!
Only England.
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Post by usasoccerboy on May 26, 2006 22:20:01 GMT -6
The Belarus B team looked very impressive. I wonder what their A team looks like?
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Post by ronaldo11 on May 27, 2006 8:17:28 GMT -6
That was their first team, minus Hleb.
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Post by usasoccerboy on May 27, 2006 9:27:41 GMT -6
I was joking Ronaldo.
Neither team was using exclusively B team players.
Owen and Crouch are not B team players.
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Post by ronaldo11 on May 27, 2006 9:41:45 GMT -6
James, Carson and Green - not first choice
Hargreaves, Dawson, Carragher - not first choice
Downing, Jenas, Carrick, Lennon - not first choice
Walcott, Defoe - not first choice
Campbell, Cole - first choice, but need lacking match practice
Owen - lacking match fitness.
Not exclusively a B team, but far from an A side.
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Post by usasoccerboy on May 27, 2006 10:23:58 GMT -6
James, Carson and Green - not first choice Hargreaves, Dawson, Carragher - not first choice Downing, Jenas, Carrick, Lennon - not first choice Walcott, Defoe - not first choice Campbell, Cole - first choice, but need lacking match practice Owen - lacking match fitness. Not exclusively a B team, but far from an A side. GKs James and Green are on the A team, not the B team. They may not start, but they are on the A team. This also goes for Hargreaves, Carragher, Downing, Jenas, Carrick and Lennon. Sol Campbell, Cole, and Walcott. That leaves Carson, Dawson, and Defoe that are not on the A team. There are a lot more A team players than B team players on your list. Also, what is the difference that they are not on the World Cup team? These are internationals. No where does it say all teams have to play with World Cup roster players. The USA gave 6 minutes and a first cap to a young 19 year old player has been practicing with the World Cup team. It was a full international game. |
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Post by deridderforward#23 on May 27, 2006 12:14:10 GMT -6
Your just trying to say England lost to crap team like USA did to Morocco. It was the B team, Sven was just seeing his players that might not get a good looking in the worldcup. I think its a good idea for a B team. Englands A team would have killed them.
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Post by d1d5fan on May 27, 2006 14:29:14 GMT -6
ENGLAND DID LOSE TO A CRAP TEAM, and with A team players. Maybe they dont start, but for some reason they are on the A roster, so that means that they have just as much skill as the "real" A squad. So therefore it was A roster of England vs A roster of Belarus, who were missing one of their best players. Dont get so dam offensive if someone thinks England didnt do good.
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Post by ronaldo11 on May 27, 2006 15:29:24 GMT -6
Not FIRST CHOICE players. You can have one goalkeeper in a team. If Paul Robinson is in the A team, then no one else can be.....and so and so forth.
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Post by deridderforward#23 on May 27, 2006 15:37:12 GMT -6
I am not getting offensive i was just pointing the obvious mate so shut up. That was not the first team so you dont know nothing. They didnt have robinson, terry, lampard, gerrard , beckham ok and many more. cole and campbell are coming back off injuries so is owen and crouch has not had the experience yet so it was not the england A team. dont know nothing
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Post by d1d5fan on May 27, 2006 16:21:05 GMT -6
lol see your gettin offensive now by tellin me to shut up. U MEAN STARTING 11, which a few players were. Cole and Campbells injury excuse isnt really valid anymore because of their performance against barca. Your B team still should have wiped up Belarus, even without beckham, gerrard and lamps. and i DO know some things, ok buddy!
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Post by beckhamismyidol on May 29, 2006 0:21:45 GMT -6
You really can't say he didn't field a B team. Cole and Campbell needing match fitness is definetly an excuse. Cole has been out almost the ENTIRE season for Arsenal and Campbell missed a hefty amount, playing in the Champions League final doesn't give you match fitness required to play in the World Cup. Also, Campbell likely isn't first choice anyways so because he likely won't play the next two games, or start at least, it was right to start him in the B team. Carra is backup for any central defenders, rightfully B team. Hargreaves is also kinda a filler player, i don't think he can play to save his life but he's always picked. Still, he can't compete with any of England's starting XI so now doubt B team. James, definetly not a starter so why not keep your 2nd choice goalie in good condition by giving him a run. As for the midfield, there is no doubt that's a B team midfield. For one, Lennon's an uncapped player, no player is on the A team and uncapped. Carrick and Jenas? No way are they as good as Lamps and Gerrard, and we all know they won't play unless there are injuries. Downing also isn't going to play in front of J. Cole so why not start him, he won't be playing much anyways. The starting forwards are probably going the be the starters for the A team, but because you need your forwards to have a good chemistry, it was necessary to give them the game to get familiar playing with each other. Use common sense and just read the lineup on paper and this is obviously England's B team, it was majority of players who would play if the entire ENgland starting XI ended up injured, besides A. Cole and Owen, I'm convinced Campbell will not be starting but if he does, that's still only 3 out of 11 who are backup players. England's B team lost to Belarus's A team fair enough, and it was only 2-1 and England weren't threatened until the end of the game, the 1st goal was strange and the 2nd was a lapse. THey still held their own, especially a team that has no chemistry whatsoever. There were plenty of positives to take from it and no shame in losing that game. However, I do believe USA losing to Morocco was just pitiful....
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Post by usasoccerboy on May 29, 2006 10:04:23 GMT -6
Morrocco is a strong African team. They do well in the world cup and they are not going this time because they got beaten by a late goal in the last game. Morrocco is a good team.
The only reason the USA lost was because of a blunder by Cherundolo. Coach Arena will have that straightened out in no time, and Cherundolo will no longer play with the ball in his defensive third.
Belarus took it to England and were the superior team. They had the attack and buildup to attack thing down and played solid defense.
Once again, a B team is not anyone who is not in the starting lineup. A B team is a team made up of no A team players. So, if you have guys going to the World Cup, if they are on the roster, then they are A team players, not B team players.
Only England would call themselves a B team in order to lighten the view of outsiders when England gets beaten by a minnow.
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Post by ronaldo11 on May 29, 2006 10:34:47 GMT -6
You're stupid. Really stupid. We know what we classify as a B team. You're just dumb.
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Post by usasoccerboy on May 29, 2006 10:40:56 GMT -6
All you have is ad hominem for a comeback?
Come on. You don't have some sort of empirical explanation as to why I am wrong?
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Post by ronaldo11 on May 29, 2006 10:42:16 GMT -6
Traho.
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Post by usasoccerboy on May 29, 2006 10:45:12 GMT -6
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