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Post by tigerdawg on Jan 22, 2005 18:41:45 GMT -6
the kids are not allowed to play club and rec while playing ANY soccer under lhsaa including all-star events.
i do like the idea of doing it the weekend after the state finals, but putting this together this way will take a full-time staff.
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Jan 22, 2005 18:45:27 GMT -6
that is why I will be adding another a #16 that states "All athletes are allowed to play with recreation and premier ball during the course of this event. They shall not be subject to any penalty for practicing or playing with their recreational and/or premier team."
This will allow them to do both.
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Post by tigerdawg on Jan 22, 2005 18:48:25 GMT -6
how are you going to do that? it took all sorts of hearings to allow players to do odp and highschool at the same time. that took months. i hope you have already started the process.
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Post by lasoccerplay12 on Jan 22, 2005 19:16:20 GMT -6
The whole point is to allow a few players a great game to remember to their season. We all know that alot of u18 teams fold after highschool, because I mean, would you rather end your soccer career (assuming you're not playing college ball) in high school or in club? Hands down high school. This is assuming that most of the kids participating would be seniors. I bet that the few players who would still play club (younger kids, etc.) wouldn't mind missing a few days, and PutMeInCoach has added an extra rule for those exceptions. Whether LHSAA accepts that or not is up to them.
I have been told that this is done in Miss. high school (I don't know about a tourney, but definately an All-State game). So it can be done here too.
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Post by tigerdawg on Jan 22, 2005 20:56:21 GMT -6
i agree with the game, but a whole tournament sounds like too much. it takes a lot to run a tournament. i think the game sounds like a great experience for those players. you have a good point is saying a lot of the older players don't go back to rec or club, but on the flip side, a lot of club players do go back and do go to state cup and regionals and that is much more enjoyable than high school. plus, for those players that are going to go to college to play, what prepairs them better for college? club or high school? club by far.
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Jan 22, 2005 21:03:05 GMT -6
its a tournament, but its not a very big one... its just 4 extra games that are played actually....
I would like to have 100 names as soon as possible... The reason is the commintionors meet to decide which wildcards go where, and if this proposal is in by then, it will give them the opportunity to talk about it.....
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Post by futebul16 on Jan 23, 2005 11:18:50 GMT -6
i love the idea and think it would work out if executed properly. club players can spare a week for this tournament and it will be a great place to get recruited. i'd like to see it happen this year.
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Post by defencerules on Jan 23, 2005 11:42:43 GMT -6
still think you guys are missing the point...even one more day away from club is too long. if la soccer (and la players) are to improve and be noticed on a wider scale, lhsaa rules HAVE GOT TO CHANGE. at the very least, there have to be provisions for club teams to attend college showcase tourny's. but as was mentioned in an earlier post, look how much it took to get an exemption even for the odp players.
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Post by goat on Jan 23, 2005 13:03:45 GMT -6
i think, defencerules and tigerdawg are missing the piont. no one said this would be easy, no one said putmein's rules can't be modifided. but if we don't start somewhere it won't happen at all! like the rule about opd! someone had to get the ball rolloing. i do desagree with defencerules about missing "even one week of club soccer" give me a break i don't see tons of college coaches coming to LA club practices! a few weeks away won't hurt a thing.
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Post by PutMeInCoach2 on Jan 23, 2005 17:49:32 GMT -6
It has been proposed that the state be seperated to east and west and the game be played in Louisiana... and it be played on Saturday, June 11 at 6 pm for girls game, 8 pm for boys
What is prefered... the proposal i have written, or the one i have just stated?
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Post by soccerstud722 on Jan 23, 2005 17:52:20 GMT -6
I'll suport it. Id love to play in a game of this caliber. And even if i didnt make it, i think it would be a blast to watch and a major step forward for all LA soccer players. IM and tell me what u need and ill send it to you.
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Post by soccer high on Jan 23, 2005 21:54:31 GMT -6
putmein, i like your proposal better....
If it was east and west, wouldn't there just be two all star teams...or am I misunderstanding? 4 teams gives more players the chance to be a part of something really incredible...
Plus, I personally don't like the idea of playing the game in June. I think after the state playoffs is the best part.
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Post by coachray40 on Jan 23, 2005 22:23:36 GMT -6
I'll add my 2 cents worth on this topic, and hopefully be able to shed some light on some of the unanswered questions.
I have been a club President for the last 9 years, been an active member of LSA's state rec committee, and also an active memeber of the LSA premier/rec committee that created the Div I concept that was just adopted, so I have a balanced insight as to the pros and cons of this concept.
I like the idea of an allstar game. The single biggest problem with this idea is that there can never be such a game EVER, unless LHSAA recognizes the LHSSCA as an organized entity to administrate it. There will never be any sanctioning of this game unless there is a recognized administrative sponsor of it. Not a money sponsor, but one that adds legitamcy to its existence. The LHSSCA needs to get its collective act together and apply for recongniton by LHSAA, and then something like this can happen. I can tell you now, LSA isnt going to deal with it--they have enough to do, have no governace of HS soccer affairs, dont provide insurance for such an event, and have their hands full with administering rec, ODP, premier, open, and over 30 play in the state.
As for event planning, a staff of 20-40 people would be need to administer the game day event--concessions, scorekeepres, officials, assignors, security, medical staff, and any other item that comes up--not to mention the coaching stafs and their respective team coordinators.
As for the time of the event, I would recommend a summer date, similar to the dates for the HS volleyball and football allstar games. Currently the playoff season ends 1 week prior to the "start' of the spring rec season. U17-U19 has their district play beginning April 16-17, giving them approximately 6 potential play weekends to participate prior to the state tournament. Premier has the bulk of its league play during the spring, with State premier cup to start right the same weekend as the finals for U17-U19 rec. For those successful teams in the respective state level competitions, there are regionals and the new Directors cup for the rec+ level.There simply is no room in the spring for the 10 days that preparing for and hosting this event would entail. That becomes even more complicated by the scheduling of Proms and graduation that go along with the spring.
I think the first step for this game, powerpoint ratings for playoffs, and more and better recognition of our sport by LHSAA is to get the Louisiana High School Soccer Coaches Association sorted out, with an operating set of bylaws and a constitution, and get reconized by LHSAA. There will be no event until that happens....period. Putmeincoach, I have had the pleasure of corresponding with you all season, and you have renewed my faith in the youth of this country with your intelligence, insightfulness, and passion. I think your ideas here have great potential, and I personally have saved a draft on my computer, so as I work to get involved with the LHSSCA, I will have it at my disposal to make available for the membership to review.
Remember though, no house is built from the roof down. Put together the foundation, and from that the rest will come.
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Post by freddyyakubu on Jan 25, 2005 8:13:23 GMT -6
Remember though, no house is built from the roof down. Put together the foundation, and from that the rest will come. I think it will be a total waste of time to lay down a foundation like this, thinking that somewhere along the line an All-Star game will appear. As I am often traveling around Louisiana, I am in a position to see that the structure of soccer in Louisiana, although growing at a slow pace, is not strong enough. Perhaps it is because people like CoachRay40 have been in seemingly high positions for such lengthy amounts of time...perhaps. There is no point putting together a foundation, if there are no tools to build on that. |
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Post by coachray40 on Jan 25, 2005 8:41:33 GMT -6
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Post by freddyyakubu on Jan 25, 2005 9:51:00 GMT -6
Yes, greetings for the new year.  |
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Post by soccerstud722 on Jan 25, 2005 22:44:24 GMT -6
Wow i love the optimism freddy.  |
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Post by hdkjga on Jan 29, 2005 14:23:24 GMT -6
bump
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Post by lakeview on Jan 30, 2005 0:58:39 GMT -6
Why don't any coaches support this proposal. They have lots of excuses, but no solutions.
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Post by Rainbowcycle on Jan 30, 2005 8:32:35 GMT -6
I have a viable solution...if you give me sometime to formulate my ideas the right way, using the right words, so as not to upset some sensitive souls when I'll lay them out to describe my global plan ...
People used to the cable for nearly 20 years are not going to change to fiber optics overnight and certainly not without some kind of resistance or fight!
My plan has been and is still brewing in the back of my mind, since I grew up in a country where there are over 150 different brands of drink....there is definitely some hope to come up with yet a different successful kind, for which the fermenting hop and malt have a lot to do with soccer, some connoisseurs go as far as to say that they go hand in hand, but that is a topic for a later discussion...
Here, it is more like the attractive aroma of a strong coffee starting to steam that can't help it but to burst out...at one point or another.
The most important ingredient though is still missing: to attain a consensus in Louisiana.
To achieve that consensus, we need a round table with the newest generation of the knights of soccer coaches sitting equally at a round table...
They would all represent the seven large soccer areas of our State: Shreveport, Monroe, Alexandria, Lake Charles, Lafayette, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, and the " Southeast Peninsula" that I'll take the liberty of calling Golden Meadows: including Morgan City, Houma, all the way down to the Gulf to our Grand Isle.
Each area, would have their own area round table with Coaches and administrators for high schools and at the club level with coaches, Parents.
Both High schools and soccer clubs from the different seven areas must have players of the different age groups represented: for high school each area would elect a player representing the freshmen, sophomores, juniors, and seniors; and at the club level a player representing the others from the youngest U11 select up to the U18...for after that age they enter college.
To achieve any positive and constructive change we can not allow anyone belittling in a condescending tone any of our partners....and that is WHERE WE still have a problem.
NOW, is still not the right time to speak out, for as soon as you lay out a plan, some ignorant nitwits will derail it from the onset.
I have been, along with some very astute friends, monitoring what was going on in the mind of several individuals posting nihilistic messages; even former
so- callled moderators, who use this board to further their own selfish pleasure without keeping in mind that we are here ALL TOGETHER for our CHILDREN' s sake in the first place.
Some of those nihilistic individuals have already come a long way by apologizing, which is already a big step in the healing process; however, as soon as the apology came out: the rest of the old mentality people, stepped in to void and nullify the apology. They kill any attempt for our state at ever laying the proper foundation.
Freddyakubu, mentioned that "we don't even have the tools...to lay a foundation."
He popped the bubble right there and then: because, the tools in my mind, and probably in his also, are being kept locked up. Locked up for how much longer?!
I have the key to the lock: it comes from Roman's 8:28
"All things work together for good, to them who love God!"
Be a little more patient with those hard headed who are sooner then they think becoming the minority on this board and you won't be disappointed with the noble efforts put forth by the Knights of the round table who invite anyone with a noble heart to join them, to promote our sport for the children....Especially when you'll find at OUR round table some coffee that will bring along some Brazilian samba beat with it...
Till then so long, Rainbowcycle
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