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Post by Ghandi on Feb 21, 2006 23:17:37 GMT -6
Coachray, the threat made by the coach was not because of the call, but because of the ref getting a half of an inch into a Lafayette player's face.
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 21, 2006 23:27:34 GMT -6
Does that make it okay Ghandi? And doesnt that illustrate my point that the refs need to lighten up too?
I mean WHO DAT, you guys got scored on--go pick the rock out of the onion bag and go get it back. Its not like ya'll arent good enough to score on Jesuit, especially when the match is in the first half. Did that goal warrant all the craziness that followed it at that point? Not really, regardless of the call
Its not Adams fault, the players fault, or the refs fault--ITS ALL OF THIER FAULT. Its folks like lsucks fault, hell its even my fault. All this stuff just made a simple play turn into the next big Lafayette/Jesuit controversy--maybe next year somebody totes a firearm into the stadium and cracks off a couple of rounds at the officials when their team is on/offside...after all this seems to be an escalation of the events of the last time these two teams played.
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 21, 2006 23:41:14 GMT -6
happyjack you make good points, and I agree. I think we are saying the same thing, just different ways. The coaches actions are unfathomable to me--yet he does deserve his chance to defend himself. That is the American way.
You are absolutely correct about his discpline by the school, and it is at least his second ejection of the year--I personally witnessed him ejected against EA at the Dutchtown Thanksgiving tournament.
The red card rule is one that needs to be instituted for sure--I believe the national federation has concerns about the accurate and adequate reporting of this to state HS governing bodies, as well as the adequate implementation of an appeals process (which I do believe needs to exist). Thats why there is no rule on the books--its just hard to enforce across many differnt state organizations.
Did the refs thin skin contribute to this--perhaps. A refs first responsibility is to maintian the safety of all of the players and coaches--I believe that includes diffusing a volatile situation with patience and a clear directive without attitude or bias.
You are correct with your last paragraph and I agree wholeheartedly with you. I also have been doing this long enough, as a coach, player, referee, and club president to know that every problem has more than one contributing factor. I feel the safest and most proper way to keep this from happening again is to look at every angle, and then implement changes where ever they are needed.
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Post by hdkjga on Feb 22, 2006 0:00:27 GMT -6
I think this whole thing is a little out of hand. If this coach has been red-carded numerous times, then the Lafayette AD needs to address that. We have a lot of specualtion about what LHSAA will do, and we have conflicting stories coming from the game.
After hearing everything from everyone on here and from some people that went to the game, it seems like emotions got the better of some players, coaches, and refs. Things were said. I don't condone these things, but if you are willing to referee a game of this pace and emotion (this game was worth the hype in my opinion) you need to understand that the players and coaches take it extremely seriously and when emotions boil over, things get said. An AR should know that.
I have seen many coaches tossed out of games in the past 18 years. I have also seen the security called on quite a few of them. I have never heard of a player trying to press charges on a ref during a game though. Again I think this was the emotion and not his head speaking. To press felony assault charges and to have it goto court, the coach pretty much would have had to hit the ref. If he did, then that's a different story. Any verbal bashing, can be thrown out as hearsay if a witness is willing to say that the coach didn't say anything. If you are going to referee this level and beyond, you need to realize that you will occassionally be yelled and cussed at, and learn to let it roll off your back. Show the red card and then ignore him from there.
Let's talk about soccer and not some charges that were pressed in the heat of the moment that will probably be dropped and not further pursued.
I do agree with whoever mentioned that highschool soccer should start enforcing a 1-game suspension when given a straight red. I think the best thing LHSAA could do is start following FIFA. I still don't know why they don't.
Finally, this is a heated rivalry. Let's leave the halftime fiasco and charges that are pressed for another forum, because the Jesuit goal happened 10 minutes before halftime. The matter was dealt with before the second half started, so it really didn't effect the action in the game. From what I am hearing the match was fairly well called and both teams played hard. Get rid of the halftime antics and it is a normal game. Just another chapter to add to this recently intriguing rivalry.
Congrats to the lions. Dont' let up yet......there are two games to go.
Congrats to Jesuit for coming in cold mid-season and proving they are still a top team. I'm already looking forward to the next match between these two.
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Post by coachray40 on Feb 22, 2006 0:03:20 GMT -6
good post H
Congrats to both teams--ya'll are both quality sides and deserve the props you get.
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Post by bignasty on Feb 22, 2006 2:42:46 GMT -6
happyjack needs to stop posting. You don't have your facts right at all. I am number 6 on LHS and there is no way I would ever curse at an official. I'm too smart for that. I am a ref. Get your facts straight, or at least hear it from both sides.
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Post by allstatebronco on Feb 22, 2006 2:54:52 GMT -6
OK....congrats to both teams. Jesuit...you don't need to say a word...your history and record speaks for itself. Laffy...you won!...be quiet and humble and act like you have been there before because YOU HAVE AND will continue to be in the elite ranks of HS soccer in LA.
Now that I've said "nice" things to both teams, I have a quote:
The 10 commandments of this message board: 1. Pick a posting name and stick to it. Impersonation may get you banned quickly. 2. Stay on topic 3. Personal conversations should be done via E-Mail, not bulletin boards 4. No "calls to action" by users 5. Put content in your posts, unless you are posting a score. 6. NO personal attacks. Keep it above the line. Libelous or slanderous posts prohibited. 7. DO NOT insult players, coaches, referees (or their calls), teams, or parents for ANY REASON 8. Don't believe everything you read on the message board 9. Implement the Golden Rule: Treat others as you would want to be treated. 10. Enjoy the discussion of Louisiana High School Soccer with people all over the state.
I don't believe I'm breaking any rules...sooooo...here goes: WHO WAS THE CENTER REF? I WANT TO KNOW. Say the name. Alot of comments have been made about the coaches and refs. CoachRay was man enough to actually name Laffy's assistant as am I: Adam Raborn. And, as he should, Adam will be given due process, and...in my opinion...will be cleared of any allegations. I wasn't at the game....don't run to the keyboard to tell me I'm an idiot.
All I am asking is this, and I do not believe it violates the code of conduct for this message board or the "spirit" of the code,.....Who was the center ref? Too many refs are too "thin-skinned" in LA soccer. THEY COULD NOT REF HS FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL. PERIOD. For those of you that haven't been to HS football or b-ball games....go and listen. The refs would clear the gym/field in the first 5 minutes if they acted like refs in LA HS soccer. Who was it? No rules against naming the names....unless of course you moderators want to delete this post and change the rules to include....
#11. No naming any ref or coach...it's just mean.
Wow...I had to post all that stuff to ask everyone a simple question. Y'all call everyone out for everything.....yet I haven't heard the refs name? Amazing.
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Post by Ghandi on Feb 22, 2006 6:57:40 GMT -6
The people that are making this such a big deal are the people that were not even at the game!
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Post by beckhamismyidol on Feb 22, 2006 6:59:52 GMT -6
i'm just glad you guys won, who cares about all that other crap, i haven't even read a review of the actual game
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Post by badge on Feb 22, 2006 7:03:35 GMT -6
The refs name was called on a couple of the preceding posts. You can go back and look it up.
I repeat again...it was a very well-played game and well called. That's what makes the halftime even more bizarre. And the ref called the second half just as he did the first.
I do agree that action of some disciplinary type should be taken against the LHS trainer/coach. But don't let that take away from a wonderful game played by both teams.
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Post by LafayetteDad on Feb 22, 2006 7:09:19 GMT -6
www.theadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060222/SPORTS/602220339/1006Lafayette downs Jesuit Lions get revenge from 2005 state final loss to Blue Jays. Brady Aymond baymond@theadvertiser.com Not even a controversial halftime nor a postgame shower could dampen the spirits of the Lafayette High Mighty Lions on Tuesday afternoon. Kevin Carter scored on a penalty kick and Brian Prejean got the game-winner on a header as the top-ranked Mighty Lions brought an abrupt end to Jesuit's two-year winning streak with a big 2-1 win over the Blue Jays here Tuesday. ADVERTISEMENT HOT STOCK PICKS FROM THE STOCKSTER Free stock picks from The Stockster that will turn your portfolio into a monster performer in days. Bookmark our page and watch our performance. We return huge profits in days not years! www.thestockster.com "This is just an unbelievable feeling," Lafayette senior Jonathan Foreman said. "It's been three long years since we've beat them and we were due." The last time Jesuit lost a soccer match was to the Mighty Lions in the 2004 Division I state title game. Jesuit went 32-0 last year, including a 3-2 overtime win over Lafayette in the state title game. "That was definitely a crazy game," Lafayette's Eric Ellis said. "I think it was just about last year, we didn't want to feel that way again." The game was marred by controversy at halftime, as a Jesuit goal started it all. Jesuit's Stephen Duncan broke loose for a breakaway, a breakaway that Lafayette players and coaches said was made possible by an offsides. Duncan's goal was allowed and when Ellis asked center-mid official Brian Hall about the offsides, Hall got in Ellis' face. Lafayette assistant Adam Rayborn came to his player's defense, resulting in Hall asking Rayborn to leave the field. As Rayborn was leaving, Hall threatened to press charges on him for assault. Rayborn left the game on his own accord, and was not given a red card. The remainder of the half played out, but it was only the beginning of the controversy. During halftime, Ellis asked that charges be pressed on Hall for physically threatening him. Hall was detained by Lafayette Police and questioned. Hall warned Ellis and witnesses that if he were arrested, the game would be called and Jesuit would win 1-0. Eventually cooler heads prevailed and Ellis decided not to press charges. The second half started 40 minutes late. "Eric did feel threatened and he did what he had to do," Lafayette coach Keith Dhuet said. "He handled himself real well as far as I am concerned. I'm proud of him for handling himself the way he did. "I thought it was an offsides, but when the referee makes the call, that's the call. Regardless of what I saw, that's his call." The halftime fiasco seemed to only fire up the Lions. Constantly pressuring the Jesuit net, the Lions were finally rewarded in the 47th minute as Jesuit was called for a foul in the box. Kevin Carter came on for the penalty kick and blasted it into the back of the net for a 1-1 tie. A few minutes later, the Lions got a throw-in from Foreman near the Jesuit goal. Foreman's throw was headed in by Brian Prejean to give Lafayette a 2-1 lead. "I think it really just motivated us," Foreman said of the halftime. "I think it just lit our fuse, because in the second half we just really took it to them." Originally published February 22, 2006
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Post by badge on Feb 22, 2006 7:46:37 GMT -6
You mentioned it now, happyjack.
justsumfan accused number 9 of running across the field and cursing, not number 6, bignasty.
Too many accusations by too many people with not enough facts.
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Post by l2ws on Feb 22, 2006 9:07:45 GMT -6
Starting in Baton Rouge, I was torn between going west for Lafayette/Jesuit, or east for Shreve/Fontainebleau. Looks like I made the right choice. Heck of a game in Mandeville.
On the bright side, reading through these posts I can see the high school game is finally taking on a European flavor.
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Post by bignasty on Feb 22, 2006 11:38:12 GMT -6
well then my bad happyjack. I think it was the j in your name that made me confuse you two. then on my previous post just replace happyjack with justsumfan.
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Post by soccerman on Feb 22, 2006 12:12:31 GMT -6
bignasty, why dont you just tell us all what actually happened so that we can end the rumors
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Post by bignasty on Feb 22, 2006 13:31:26 GMT -6
If you know me, and you see me in person I'll tell you exactly what happened. But I am not commenting on that situation anymore on this site.
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Post by raoul on Feb 22, 2006 14:37:45 GMT -6
Last word on the subject---from the Ti More From The Times-Picayune | Subscribe To The Times-Picayune Lafayette ends Jesuit's 48-match win streak Match delayed by squabble with official Wednesday, February 22, 2006 By Pierce W. Huff Staff writer The members of the Lafayette boys soccer team celebrated in the rain while Brian Hall and the rest of the officials from the Baton Rouge Soccer Officials Association briskly walked off the Lions' field.
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And Jesuit's unbeaten streak of 48 consecutive matches is over.
Lafayette scored two goals in the second half to beat defending state champion Jesuit 2-1 in a Division I quarterfinals match, but it was the action that happened off the field that drew the most attention.
It occurred after Jesuit junior Stephen Duncan scored a first-half goal in the 35th minute to give the Blue Jays (15-1-1) a 1-0 lead. Lafayette players and coaches thought Duncan was offsides and the goal shouldn't have been allowed.
The Lions' bench, including senior Eric Ellis and assistant coach Adam Rayborn, complained to officials about the call. Hall, the head official, ejected Rayborn. Ellis also had a verbal altercation with Hall about the call when play resumed, but Ellis was not ejected.
At halftime, Ellis and Hall approached Lafayette Police Department officers about pressing charges -- Hall against Rayborn, because Rayborn threatened him during their first-half argument, and Ellis against Hall, for their argument. Hall was questioned by police.
"It all started with my coach getting charges pressed against him," Ellis said.
Play resumed after a 40-minute break. According to Lafayette Police Sargeant Cornelle Montgomery, no charges were filed or arrests made at the game.
Lafayette (32-1) tied the score at 1 when Kevin Carter hit a line-drive shot into the left corner of the goal on a penalty kick in the 47th minute. The Lions' Brian Prejean scored the winning goal in the 65th minute on a header off a throw-in by Jonathan Foreman.
Jesuit athletic director Frank Misuraca said his school is not going to protest Tuesday's game and he wasn't upset with the officiating.
"Those were judgement calls, and you have to play with those things," Misuraca said.
Hall refused to comment after the game.
Louisiana High School Athletic Association assistant commissioner B.J. Guzzardo said he will contact officials from Jesuit, Lafayette and the Baton Rouge Soccer Officials Association and request written reports as soon as possible.
Guzzardo said he doubts there will be a sportsmanship hearing on the match. He said most of the police involvement is out of LHSAA jurisdiction.
But Guzzardo questioned why the Lafayette Police Department was involved at all.
"I don't think the police used great discretion," he said.
Meanwhile, Lafayette coach Keith Dhuet and Jesuit coach Hubie Collins said it was another crazy Jesuit-Lafayette soccer match.
Lafayette players and coaches questioned calls at the end of last year's Division I state soccer championship, when Jesuit rallied from 1-0 and 2-1 deficits to win 3-2 in overtime.
Collins said Tuesday's match "was a very passionate game" for both teams.
Dhuet said "it's always tough when we play against Jesuit."
But no one expected anything like what happened.
"This is the first time I've ever heard of anything like this in any sport," Guzzardo said. "This can only happen in soccer."
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Post by McScruff on Feb 22, 2006 14:48:13 GMT -6
I'm with Ghandi. I went to the game and it was NOTHING like what is being presented here. This is nothing but a bunch of speculation and fire fanning by some "intellectuals" who weren't even there.
The Jesuit goal looked like a million goals in high school soccer. The team that is scored on thinks it was offsides, complains to the AR for a minute, maybe, then the AR and center talk and play resumes. Who has never seen a defender and coach complain about a "missed" offsides call on a through ball? Is this the first time a coach/trainer has ever been tossed from the sideline? There was really no vulgar display of emotions by anyone. I'm not defending anyone here, just saying that as an observer of the game, nothing seemed out of the ordinary. Definitely no reason for CoachRay to cover his children's eyes or worry about them having nightmares. The only abnormality was the excruciatingly long half-time.
justsumfan, why would #6 need to charge across the field when he was defending the same side that the AR was working? You sure do "stand corrected" a lot in this thread. Why don't you get all of your facts, or hearsay, together and then file one comprehensive report?
CoachRay, you should be ashamed of your self for insinuating that an event, which you did not see, is one step below someone bringing a gun to a game and capping someone. I mean, was that a joke? I can't believe that I just read that. I don't really see the parallel.
Congratulations to Jesuit on a great run. Numbers 8 and 10 appeared to be very special players. Who are they? Is number 8 Romig? He looked like an incredible playmaker and nearly willed the game to overtime.
Congratulations to Lafayette. You were clearly the better team yesterday and are deserving of the win. I hope all of this bull doesn't spoil it for you. But, like H said, you still have two more games to go. You can't let up now.
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Post by LafayetteDad on Feb 22, 2006 15:09:53 GMT -6
"Meanwhile, Lafayette coach Keith Dhuet and Jesuit coach Hubie Collins said it was another crazy Jesuit-Lafayette soccer match. "
This statement says it all.
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Post by on Feb 22, 2006 18:16:01 GMT -6
first of all i wasn't at the game until the second half started so i don't have all the facts about halftime, but i will, the player in question lives across the street from me and i am sure his dad will bring me up to date. i would like to say that i know this player really well and i would find it hard to beleave that he did what some are saying on this site.
now CONGRATS LIONS, GREAT GAME!! i watched ya'll play TEAM ball in this game. foremans throw ins are deadly and the defence stepped up when they had to. mcsruff is right i thought jesuit would tie it up in the last 10 min. they showed why they had such a long winning streak, by playing their hearts out, but in the end it was the lions who won out.
i agree with hdkiga don't get cocky you still have two games left!!! congrats again!! Goat
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