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Post by capitalcityboy on Dec 7, 2009 9:56:29 GMT -6
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goat...the success of the program isnt the problem here...It is you almost excusing his behavior because he wins....beraiding players and officials ALL the time in inexcusable..He is a leader of young men...Nothing validates this!!! Remember the saying..."Lead by example"...what about this example?? Goat, do you have kids? would you want this guy molding your childs mind at age 14??? just wondering...
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Post by capitalcityboy on Dec 7, 2009 10:08:28 GMT -6
DID THEY SERIOUSLY DELEAT THE ST LOUIS THREAD?
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Post by goat on Dec 7, 2009 11:26:29 GMT -6
First, I have had first hand experience with the coach as a fan, and as a ref. When I posted my comments I was not aware of the F bombs and assumed through past experiences what the coach did. The F bomb are inexcusable and should be addressed, ON THAT WE CAN AGREE! Now with that being said how do we know action is not being taken? I know the center ref in that game and I can assure you he has done the proper reports concerning the sendoff of a coach. I'm sure some kind of reprimand is coming. Let see how it plays out.
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Post by cardsinhand on Dec 7, 2009 12:12:05 GMT -6
First, I have had first hand experience with the coach as a fan, and as a ref. When I posted my comments I was not aware of the F bombs and assumed through past experiences what the coach did. The F bomb are inexcusable and should be addressed, ON THAT WE CAN AGREE! Now with that being said how do we know action is not being taken? I know the center ref in that game and I can assure you he has done the proper reports concerning the sendoff of a coach. I'm sure some kind of reprimand is coming. Let see how it plays out. Sorry Goat, but the tournament officials had agreed to keep the game reports "in house" and it will not be reported to LHSAA. This then bring into light another issue, if you know it will not be reported and there are no repercussions, why stop the abusive irresponsible behavior? Oh and by the way, I did not hear any F-bombs, but behavior was out of control, irresponsible, abusive, and unacceptable.
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Post by goat on Dec 7, 2009 12:36:34 GMT -6
Thanks CIH sorry to hear it won't make it to LHSAA. He must have realy blown his cool. I have been on the recieving end of his tongue but he was never totally "out of control". Because I wasn't there to see it first hand I will "try" not to comment on it anymore.
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Post by makeleleman24 on Dec 7, 2009 12:57:00 GMT -6
i knew a coach that said f this to a ref and threw a temper tantrum he was thrown out and his license was taken away for six months more should be done... i think people are backing off because st louis is such a big school and name in high school soccer this was not the way it should
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Post by northlasoccerdad on Dec 7, 2009 13:27:05 GMT -6
northlasoccerdad, if you are going to quote me do it right. I said, "One thing you can’t argue with is the success of his program!" If you would like to debate his record just tell me when and where! First, please forgive me for misquoting you. Second, I prefaced my comments with "With respect to the poster..." and I meant that. I have followed your comments for over two years. Your commitment to the betterment of soccer in Louisiana is clear, and your comments are generally thoughtful and fair. Third, what I was responding to was your apparent connection between a coach's conduct and the success of his program. In my mind, there is no connection. They are two completely independent issues. A coach with a successful program should be held to the same standards of conduct as a coach with a less successful program. And based on what I saw in Lafayette this weekend (and what apparently happened after I left) I am concerned that we have allowed those standards of conduct to slip. I am suggesting that we all consider whether that is true, and if it is true how it can best be addressed. I'd also suggest that one way is not to look only at the gross violations, but to look at the ways that the standards of conduct are compromised in "small" ways that individually may not look significant, but that considered together may reflect a soccer culture that does not take standards of conduct seriously enough. To quote Barney Fife, "Nip it... nip it in the bud..."
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Post by soccerfamily on Dec 7, 2009 13:29:11 GMT -6
We shouldn't let one incident overshadow what really matters. Congratulations Coach Kelso and the Vandebilt players for a well deserved victory. It was a great tournament and we enjoyed watching some great soccer matches! Kudos to the tournament committe and support staff for pulling this one off. Did you guys ever think you'd be dealing with a soccer tournament in Louisiana re-scheduled because of SNOW?
How about starting a new thread to discuss what happened during the Vandebilt - St. Louis game.
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Post by goat on Dec 7, 2009 14:34:48 GMT -6
northlasoccerdad, if you are going to quote me do it right. I said, "One thing you can’t argue with is the success of his program!" If you would like to debate his record just tell me when and where! First, please forgive me for misquoting you. Second, I prefaced my comments with "With respect to the poster..." and I meant that. I have followed your comments for over two years. Your commitment to the betterment of soccer in Louisiana is clear, and your comments are generally thoughtful and fair. Third, what I was responding to was your apparent connection between a coach's conduct and the success of his program. In my mind, there is no connection. They are two completely independent issues. A coach with a successful program should be held to the same standards of conduct as a coach with a less successful program. And based on what I saw in Lafayette this weekend (and what apparently happened after I left) I am concerned that we have allowed those standards of conduct to slip. I am suggesting that we all consider whether that is true, and if it is true how it can best be addressed. I'd also suggest that one way is not to look only at the gross violations, but to look at the ways that the standards of conduct are compromised in "small" ways that individually may not look significant, but that considered together may reflect a soccer culture that does not take standards of conduct seriously enough. To quote Barney Fife, "Nip it... nip it in the bud..." NLSD sometimes I let my mouth overload my you know what, (thats why Timaeus won't let me be a moderator any more, LOL). My comment was meant to be tongue in cheek, but I see it didn't come off that way. I'm sorry the attempt at humor was misunderstood.
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Post by blacksmith on Dec 7, 2009 15:15:33 GMT -6
How can you play a high school game and any actions not come under the guidelines of the LHSAA? That makes no sense. I realize they do not pay much attention to the sport of soccer, but they are still the governing body of ALL High School athletics. The coach coach from STL should be reported by the refs (as he would if this were a basketball or baseball tourney). Help me if I am missing something.
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Post by let lil esay walk on Dec 7, 2009 16:00:48 GMT -6
I was there and it was a second yellow red card ejection. Not a straight red. He did act up after the ejection which was between overtimes, but I didnt hear anything too bad. He just should have left faster.
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Post by tchefuncta on Dec 7, 2009 22:47:35 GMT -6
I was under the impression that schools were fined $100.00 for red cards. Thus LHSAA would have at least been notified to levy the fine. Is this true or an urban myth?
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Post by dubya on Dec 7, 2009 23:40:14 GMT -6
It was one of the most objectionable tirades and behavior I have witnessed. What I saw and heard was not good for Louisiana Soccer, a school or anyone who is charged with coaching and leading young men.
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Post by SWLASocFan on Dec 8, 2009 6:23:57 GMT -6
I would be interested to hear some comments from St Louis parents as they have to be embarrased by the situation. And if this is the norm from this coach then maybe it's about time the parents did something about it. I mean winning records are great but isn't a coach meant to be a teacher - what is he teaching players and not only his own! The Sad thing is, the St Louis parents SUPPORT hiim. Of course it's always someone elses fault, and his actions are always justified.
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Post by SWLASocFan on Dec 8, 2009 6:25:51 GMT -6
It was one of the most objectionable tirades and behavior I have witnessed. What I saw and heard was not good for Louisiana Soccer, a school or anyone who is charged with coaching and leading young men. If this were only a "video"
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Post by fifastreet on Dec 8, 2009 7:51:49 GMT -6
I would be interested to hear some comments from St Louis parents as they have to be embarrased by the situation. And if this is the norm from this coach then maybe it's about time the parents did something about it. I mean winning records are great but isn't a coach meant to be a teacher - what is he teaching players and not only his own! The Sad thing is, the St Louis parents SUPPORT hiim. Of course it's always someone elses fault, and his actions are always justified. i just wonder if he treats his players the same way at practice when no-one is around. if he does'nt respect the officials then its hard for me to believe he respects the kids. C.R.E.A.M. (cash rules everything around me)
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Post by b4nafter on Dec 8, 2009 8:03:59 GMT -6
How can you play a high school game and any actions not come under the guidelines of the LHSAA? That makes no sense. I realize they do not pay much attention to the sport of soccer, but they are still the governing body of ALL High School athletics. The coach coach from STL should be reported by the refs (as he would if this were a basketball or baseball tourney). Help me if I am missing something. Okay, this is simply situational. Let me give you an example. The school board governs the schools. A principal governs administration, the assistants govern the school and its daily routines, the teachers govern the student body..... Chad of Beau Chene(tourny director) and his crew put on a great tournament! The parents/fans/players showed in great numbers. The ref crew also did a tremendous job under the weather conditions and amount of games that were needed to be played. I strongly believe that LHSAA is the school board, Chad is the Principal, His crew were the assistants, the refs govern the game. I sat and watched the games at the Copa, which if I may add, they were really good, and felt that true soccer was played this weekend. St. Louis did well, like many other impressive teams out there. I believe the coaches actions were justified but well deserving of an ejection, yes. However, there are many heated moments in games where emotions do take over. This is a learning experience for everyone. Some of you guys step up and bash the fact that the coach was out of hand and completely wrong. They did not go out of house with it because of the guy being from having a good history with St. Louis soccer, but they understand from being x-players, refs, coaches and even fans how things work sometime. Will this affect St.Louis in the future, NO...NO.... just as life is things do happen.. we do get a punishment, but like our justice system, there is never ever everyone on the same page that agrees with the outcome. Before bashing him, put yourself in his shoes and see if you could fill them. He works hard and is very passionate about his job... his job is to coach this program to success. There will be bumps in the road and that was one of many more to come in the future. Get off the guys nats and find your own. I applaud the administration of the tournament for keeping that situation in-house. They handed the guy his punishment and he will go from there. I am sure his apologies go out to the people who were offended, but do realize this is a passionate sport and things happen. Once again, the justice system is not going to please everyone... Those of you who are posting negatively, could not have been on a panel for jury duty, nor have followed court cases. The tournament director, refs, and all of the teams did a great job. Congrats to Vandy and Parkway in addition to all of the teams that accomplished what they needed to..
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Post by fifastreet on Dec 8, 2009 8:51:47 GMT -6
How can you play a high school game and any actions not come under the guidelines of the LHSAA? That makes no sense. I realize they do not pay much attention to the sport of soccer, but they are still the governing body of ALL High School athletics. The coach coach from STL should be reported by the refs (as he would if this were a basketball or baseball tourney). Help me if I am missing something. Okay, this is simply situational. Let me give you an example. The school board governs the schools. A principal governs administration, the assistants govern the school and its daily routines, the teachers govern the student body..... Chad of Beau Chene(tourny director) and his crew put on a great tournament! The parents/fans/players showed in great numbers. The ref crew also did a tremendous job under the weather conditions and amount of games that were needed to be played. I strongly believe that LHSAA is the school board, Chad is the Principal, His crew were the assistants, the refs govern the game. I sat and watched the games at the Copa, which if I may add, they were really good, and felt that true soccer was played this weekend. St. Louis did well, like many other impressive teams out there. I believe the coaches actions were justified but well deserving of an ejection, yes. However, there are many heated moments in games where emotions do take over. This is a learning experience for everyone. Some of you guys step up and bash the fact that the coach was out of hand and completely wrong. They did not go out of house with it because of the guy being from having a good history with St. Louis soccer, but they understand from being x-players, refs, coaches and even fans how things work sometime. Will this affect St.Louis in the future, NO...NO.... just as life is things do happen.. we do get a punishment, but like our justice system, there is never ever everyone on the same page that agrees with the outcome. Before bashing him, put yourself in his shoes and see if you could fill them. He works hard and is very passionate about his job... his job is to coach this program to success. There will be bumps in the road and that was one of many more to come in the future. Get off the guys nats and find your own. I applaud the administration of the tournament for keeping that situation in-house. They handed the guy his punishment and he will go from there. I am sure his apologies go out to the people who were offended, but do realize this is a passionate sport and things happen. Once again, the justice system is not going to please everyone... Those of you who are posting negatively, could not have been on a panel for jury duty, nor have followed court cases. The tournament director, refs, and all of the teams did a great job. Congrats to Vandy and Parkway in addition to all of the teams that accomplished what they needed to.. POLITICS & C.R.E.A.M., sad but thats the way the world rolls.
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Post by trf on Dec 8, 2009 9:23:50 GMT -6
Ok, I can see him being passionate about his craft. We all are. I coach basketball. It's easy to get involved in the game. Last night I had a game and got VERY frustrated. Did my voice get loud...oh, you betcha. Did I use any foul language...nope. Did I threaten physical harm to anyone...nope. Did I need to be restrained...nope. If those things did in fact happen, then it's a very serious issue and a good case study for other coaches out there....
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Post by logicalreality on Dec 8, 2009 10:08:22 GMT -6
Here's my philosophy.....there's always two sides to a story....
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