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Post by Crusader soccer on Dec 4, 2010 21:07:50 GMT -6
Westminster 3 neville. 0
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Post by gobbo on Dec 4, 2010 21:08:50 GMT -6
Stl wins in PKs
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Post by soccerguy9 on Dec 4, 2010 21:12:25 GMT -6
Congrats St. Louis. Always seem to find a way.
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Post by soccerrules1 on Dec 4, 2010 21:19:12 GMT -6
Congrats to St. Louis and Westminster
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Post by Crusader soccer on Dec 4, 2010 21:31:23 GMT -6
Westminster defeated OCS 6 -0
Advanced on last tie breaker - total goals scored
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Post by upper90 on Dec 4, 2010 22:06:15 GMT -6
Episcopal only had 1 goal called back, and it was for the same reason Parkway's was called back.
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Post by soccerguy9 on Dec 4, 2010 22:35:40 GMT -6
Episcopal had two goals called back in the Parkway game, one for an apparent offsides off a rebound that bounced off the GK, and another for a supposed foul on GK by forward on a 50/50 ball. Referee was a nightmare.
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Post by kobe16 on Dec 4, 2010 23:43:09 GMT -6
I watched most of their games and they played very well, just got unlucky. I missed the StM game but I heard they dominated them besides the 2 shots StM had, which ended up being goals. Also, they had 2 goals called back (both of them were very questionable calls) in the PArkway game. They were missing 2 or 3 starters today with one of them being their very good goalie. you should probably stop watching soccer all together
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Post by newosoccerfan on Dec 5, 2010 6:44:18 GMT -6
Anyone have a score on St. Thomas Aquinas versus Ruston? I have a hard time believing STA lost and went 0-1-2 at Copa.
NewO
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Post by parkwaydad on Dec 5, 2010 8:46:17 GMT -6
kobe16, you should also study the rules. Just so you understand the rule in this situation, this is considered a “dangerous play” by FIFA. Dangerous Play (or playing in a dangerous manner) is any action by a player that in the judgment of the Referee is dangerous to himself or to another player. For a goalkeeper situation, this is any action that might endanger the goalkeeper within the Penalty Box. If the goalkeeper and an opponent both go for a loose ball, the Referee will favor the goalkeeper if there is a collision. It isn't necessary for someone to be hurt for dangerous play to be called. The Parkway goalkeeper was in position and went straight up for the ball and had two hands on the ball when the Episcopal player charged into him and hit him in the air, dislodging the ball. This is an easy and correct call for a ref to make.
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Post by staorg on Dec 5, 2010 8:46:33 GMT -6
STA lost the game to Ruston 1-0. We simply could not finish. We also didn't show up to play this weekend (evident from our results). While we do have a large number of injuries right now (missing 4 starters due to injuries and another starter that was out this weekend for other reasons), we should have been able to get a better result than we did.
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Post by coachm90 on Dec 5, 2010 8:57:51 GMT -6
NCS showed pretty well this weekend, going 2-1 and only giving up one goal.(an own goal) They beat a really good Beau Chene team, and an ok Loyola team. The Vandy game was a tough loss giving up an own goal in the last 15 mins even though Vandy still would have advanced if they would have tied due to them having +5 goals compared to NCS who had only +4. Still it wasn't a bad weekend.
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Post by coachray40 on Dec 5, 2010 9:37:29 GMT -6
I dug around through a couple of threads and compiled scores so it would be easier to read. Still have some missing scores:
Group A St Louis 3 St Martins 0 St Louis 2 Parkway 0 St Louis 2 Episcopal 1 Episcopal 1 St Martins 2 Episcopal 0 Parkway 1 Parkway 0 St Martins 0
Group B Ben Franklin 2 Teurlings 2 Ben Franklin 2 St Freds 0 Ben Franklin 3 St Michaels 2 St Michaels 3 Teurlings 0 St Michaels 0 St Freds 1 Teurlings 4 St Freds 0
Group C Vandebilt 1 Beau Chene 0 Vandebilt 1 Northlake Christian 0 Vandebilt 4 Loyola 0 Beau Chene Loyola Beau Chene 0 Northlake Christian 2 Northlake Christian 2 Loyola 0
Group D University 2 St Thomas Aquinas 2 University 4 Ruston 0 University 0 Alexandria 1 St Thomas Aquinas 0 Ruston 1 Alexandria 4 Ruston 0 Alexandria 4 St Thomas Aquinas 1
Group E Westminster 0 Menard 0 Westminster 2 Haynes 1 Westminster 6 Ouachita Christian 0 Menard 4 Ouachita Christian 0 Haynes 1 Ouachita Christian 0 Menard 1 Haynes 0 –halftime score
Group F Deridder 0 ESA 0 Deridder 1 Woodlawn 0 Deridder 4 Erath 0 ESA 0 Erath 3 ESA 1 Woodlawn 2 Erath 0 Woodlawn 0—Halftime Score
Group G Neville Morgan City Neville 2 Opelousas 1 Neville Riverside Riverside 0 Morgan City 3 Riverside Opelousas Morgan City Opelousas
Group H Country Day 5 Opelousas Catholic 0 Country Day 0 Bolton 0 Country Day 0 Catholic—NI 0 Opelousas Catholic 0 Catholic—NI 5 Bolton Catholic--NI Bolton 7 Opelousas Catholic 0
Premier Division Semis— Alexandria 3 Ben Franklin 0 St Louis 1 Vandebilt 0
Finals— St Louis 0 Alexandria 0 St Louis wins in PKS
Gold Division Semis— Neville 2 Bolton 1 Westminster 1 Deridder 0
Finals— Westminster 3 Neville 0
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Post by tonygalinto on Dec 5, 2010 10:18:46 GMT -6
kobe16, you should also study the rules. Just so you understand the rule in this situation, this is considered a “dangerous play” by FIFA. Dangerous Play (or playing in a dangerous manner) is any action by a player that in the judgment of the Referee is dangerous to himself or to another player. For a goalkeeper situation, this is any action that might endanger the goalkeeper within the Penalty Box. If the goalkeeper and an opponent both go for a loose ball, the Referee will favor the goalkeeper if there is a collision. It isn't necessary for someone to be hurt for dangerous play to be called. The Parkway goalkeeper was in position and went straight up for the ball and had two hands on the ball when the Episcopal player charged into him and hit him in the air, dislodging the ball. This is an easy and correct call for a ref to make. Strange that you are telling someone to study the rules but you are quoting FIFA LOTG here in a high school thread? Actually you're pretty correct on your FIFA quote, except for one difference. In FIFA and HS you can have dangerous play called against you for putting yourself in danger (diving at an opponent's foot to play a ball and getting kicked). But under FIFA you can't have dangerous play called against you for putting your teammate in danger, it has to be an opponent. (you stated it could be called for putting another player in danger). Now under HS rules you can be called for putting any other player (opponent or teammate) in danger), although I can't recall ever seeing it called for putting a teammate in danger. I have to disagree with you that a referee will always favor the GK if the GK and and an opponent both go for a loose ball. (I grant you if the referee was a former GK that he will favor the GK, just a fact of life). But the referee should always judge each and every play on it's own merits and make the call from that perspective, not have their mind made up that the GK will always get the call. It would be better if people would stick to HS rules in the HS forums and FIFA LOTG in the other threads. While they have a lot of the same rules or Laws, there are also a lot of differences.
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Post by Boomer on Dec 5, 2010 10:44:16 GMT -6
Toney, Thanks for explaining the difference between FIDE and the FED rules. But in my mind the difference ("player" vs "opponent and yourself") is nuanced. It is not enough to justify deriding someone who was responding to a completely juvenile and offensive post by Kobe16.
Of note, I think there is supposed to be a difference between a GK/player challange within the keeper's box, and the same challange within the penalty box.
Re: scores - Menard 1, Haynes 0 final. Haynes probably had better of game and more real chances. Menard Gk is good.
Haynes GK pulled out forcing a shuffle in the on-field lineup.
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Post by trojanscoach on Dec 5, 2010 11:40:42 GMT -6
Correction on score:
ASH - 4 Ben Franklin - 0
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Post by parkwaydad on Dec 5, 2010 11:46:54 GMT -6
FIFA rules are the foundation for high school rules. Not any of your HS refs would or should allow a player to charge into goalkeeper who had two hands on the ball and dislodge it from the keepers hands. A physical challenge towards a goalkeeper should be called a foul at the moment the goalkeeper has possesion of the ball in order to protect the goalkeeper who is at a naturally perilous situation. In this situation Christian Lara had both hands gripped on the ball and the player barreled into him.
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Post by Boomer on Dec 5, 2010 11:54:58 GMT -6
A field player cannot even challange him in the air within the keeper's box, and most refs will not allow such a challange in the penalty box, regardless of hands on the ball. He might be going to fist it out.
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Post by tonygalinto on Dec 5, 2010 12:07:48 GMT -6
FIFA rules are the foundation for high school rules. Not any of your HS refs would or should allow a player to charge into goalkeeper who had two hands on the ball and dislodge it from the keepers hands. A physical challenge towards a goalkeeper should be called a foul at the moment the goalkeeper has possesion of the ball in order to protect the goalkeeper who is at a naturally perilous situation. In this situation Christian Lara had both hands gripped on the ball and the player barreled into him. I couldn't agree with you more that in the situation you described that a foul on the attacker should have been called. I do disagree that anytime a GK and attacker challenge for a loose ball that the referee will or should always favor the GK. When a person tells someone in a condensing manner to study the rules it is always best if the correct rules are being used to make the point. .
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Post by parkwaydad on Dec 5, 2010 12:47:24 GMT -6
Back to what readers want to know about COPA and St Louis. I watched three St. Louis games and they are a talented team who is very well coached. I also watched most of the other top teams. Don't be surprised if during the course of the year, St Louis is beaten by any of the teams in the top 10. Division II is very balanced at the top. The championship at the end of the year could come from any of these top teams as they all look fairly even or least capable of a few key close upsets on a good run.
In my opinion, Parkway played very well in the tournament, they just need to work on finishing. They played St. Louis equally until a defensive foul for a penalty kick was called on a St. Louis corner kick. The ball wasn't close to the foul but the ref thought he should make a call because of the Parkway's defenders push on the back of St Louis player. Tough call in a 0-0 game halfway through the second half with the number one ranked team. Their was no takedown or seemingly hard push and it didn't affect the play but definitely within the discretion of the ref. Parkway and St Louis continued to play equally until St Louis scored on a good attack inside very late in the game. Really not much difference in starting talent between the two teams. Next time I believe the game could easily go the other way. Parkway is good, they just need to work on connecting the midfield with their forwards more and work on their set play situations. Most of the attack came from the mids without involving the forwards enough. The forwards need many more touches to be effective. Depending on long shots is not going to win it for you at this level. I believe Parkway will solve this problem.
I really liked all the pregame work that St Louis does especially with their header drills. This is a giant part of the game and their coach understands this and works on it extensively. He had one group of defensive players out in an empty field working on 30-40 yard headers and one touch clears, simulating game defensive clearing situations...very nice pre-game drill. He had another group, probably mids and forwards repetively focusing on headers in the box from short tosses...also very nice. I'm sure other teams do the same thing, I just liked the way he separated the groups and focused on specific areas of the game for specific groups.
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