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Post by M Unit on Feb 27, 2011 16:42:51 GMT -6
I seem to remember a smattering of claps by the JHS squad during trophy presentation...
M Unit
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Post by thejester on Feb 27, 2011 16:47:59 GMT -6
I went to the game Jesuit lost cause they were completely outcoached
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Post by ShreveDad on Feb 27, 2011 16:59:38 GMT -6
Don't shake hands with your opponent after a loss -- I'll hold it against you.
Walk away while they get the championship trophy -- I'll hold it against you.
Not clapping while he gets the championship trophy -- No problem with me as long as you don't do anything to draw attention away from the winning team.
As a rule, the girls are much better sports after the match as far as clapping for the other teams.
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Post by hideki on Feb 27, 2011 17:12:20 GMT -6
I was at the awesome game last night (a little bias). I basically saw a repeat, except the score, of the SPS tournament final where Jesuit tried to take out #16 with repeated hard fouls, some of which received cards from the ref, however, not enough. That should not be the way soccer games are played and won. How many hard fouls did #14 get?? I was really disappointed to see that not a single player was congratulating SPS when they received their STATE CHAMPIONSHIP throphy. I was in Shreveport several years ago when we lost to Jesuit and our team did clap when they were presented with the State Championship trophy. I lost a bit of respect for the Jays last night. Grow up. It was a great game and St. Paul's deserved to win. Enjoy the victory, there's no need to share your admittedly biased opinions about the lack of clapping done by 15-18 year old kids, minutes after losing the state championship game. It's sad that you would choose to put down these kids, rather than showing support for your own team. I thought both teams displayed good sportsmanship; St Paul's deservedly celebrated while Jesuit graciously took defeat.
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Post by backline on Feb 27, 2011 17:28:56 GMT -6
I went to the game Jesuit lost cause they were completely outcoached Explain that. I'm not disagreeing but I wasn't there. Examples?
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 27, 2011 17:39:16 GMT -6
soccerboy, the other thread wasn't deleted. It was added to this thread. Your post is found in this thread. Search and you will find it.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 27, 2011 17:42:42 GMT -6
The parent complaining about Jesuit, really? You weren't watching St. Paul's celebrate but instead focusing on Jesuit players dealing with defeat? Jesuit players did congratulate St. Paul's and displayed sportsmanship.
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Post by goat on Feb 27, 2011 18:21:19 GMT -6
I was at the awesome game last night (a little bias). I basically saw a repeat, except the score, of the SPS tournament final where Jesuit tried to take out #16 with repeated hard fouls, some of which received cards from the ref, however, not enough. That should not be the way soccer games are played and won. How many hard fouls did #14 get?? I was really disappointed to see that not a single player was congratulating SPS when they received their STATE CHAMPIONSHIP throphy. I was in Shreveport several years ago when we lost to Jesuit and our team did clap when they were presented with the State Championship trophy. I lost a bit of respect for the Jays last night. Grow up. It was a great game and St. Paul's deserved to win. Enjoy the victory, there's no need to share your admittedly biased opinions about the lack of clapping done by 15-18 year old kids, minutes after losing the state championship game. It's sad that you would choose to put down these kids, rather than showing support for your own team. I thought both teams displayed good sportsmanship; St Paul's deservedly celebrated while Jesuit graciously took defeat. NUFF SAID!
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Post by spsdadof3 on Feb 27, 2011 18:29:20 GMT -6
Its amazing how the only problem with my post is the fact that during the trophy presentation I stated that I was disappointed that the Jesuit team did not clap when SPS got the trophy. My sons have played on many D1 and Premier teams, as well as high school, and we always applauded the opposing team during trophy presentations, even when we came in second. I was just stating my opinion, and had SPS lost and not applauded Jesuit, would have felt the same way about SPS. However, no one has made any comments about the style of play toward #16, with repeated hard fouls. This I feel was the bigger disappointment. I am just glad that #16 did not get hurt and played basically the entire game.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 27, 2011 18:37:29 GMT -6
The one foul that drew a card on #16 wasn't a hard foul, but a deliberate shove. There were two hard fouls on him that I saw during the game, which isn't that surprising considering how often #16 had the ball at his feet. It was a clean, well played game by both teams.
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Post by M Unit on Feb 27, 2011 18:59:24 GMT -6
Its amazing how the only problem with my post is the fact that during the trophy presentation I stated that I was disappointed that the Jesuit team did not clap when SPS got the trophy. However, no one has made any comments about the style of play toward #16, with repeated hard fouls. This I feel was the bigger disappointment. I am just glad that #16 did not get hurt and played basically the entire game. >Yawn.< This is another example of why I try not to speak using absolutes...If you had read the entire thread - specifically the in-match part - you would clearly see where I, as well as many others, felt like #16 for JHS should have received a YC for that one hit on SPS #16 Adrian from behind. JHS appeared to get tired and/or frustrated toward the end of the match, and that played itself out in moments such as the aforementioned. I, too, am glad Adrian (or anyone else) didn't get seriously injured. Also, I reiterate what I said earlier that I seem to remember seeing a smattering of claps during trophy presentation... Again, >yawn.< Aren't the Academy Awards about to start or something? M Unit
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Post by soccerboy1234 on Feb 27, 2011 19:08:02 GMT -6
I think the Jesuit defense will be shown to be not as good as it would appear. Although yes they all do play on their Chicago fire A team and are the state champions, I think they will have a lot of difficulty dealing with Adrian and other St. Paul's offensive players. Yay the proof is here. ;D Thanks Timaeus
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Post by fbleauwoohoo on Feb 27, 2011 20:05:55 GMT -6
The one foul that drew a card on #16 wasn't a hard foul, but a deliberate shove. There were two hard fouls on him that I saw during the game, which isn't that surprising considering how often #16 had the ball at his feet. It was a clean, well played game by both teams. The second hard foul on 16 should have drawn the defender's second YC and he should have been sent off. I don't have a dog in this fight, but that is my opinion.
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Post by smoser on Feb 27, 2011 20:13:24 GMT -6
good day to all, first time looking at this...been busy. Decent game reporting. I thought we were much better in the 2nd half than either of the posters made it sound. I thought we could have easily and deservedly been awarded a pk and of-course we had a 60 yard break away with no keeper in the net in the final minute and #7 Joey made a gutsy defensive stop. We (SPS) did not play well in the first 15 minutes... which resulted in the goal, especially disappointing because our walk through saturday morning was 1) defending the long throw and 2) offensve set pieces (2 goals last night). We put our little man (Will Gutterman 5 foot nothing) down low to bait and front the keeper and the boy can jump out of the box - boom. I made a bad adjustment first by bringing in the wide mid to help combat Jesuits early possession out or their 4-5-1 and they just found the outside mid on the weak side. So I then stepped up our senior,all-district, captain, soon-to-be-all-state-college-bound center back Chase Jenkins to help in the mid and significantly slowed down and reversed the momentum. The rest of the half was 50/50 and I thought we dominated (lower case D) the second half. Jesuit response was the hard foul (no comment ) and it took them out of "their game". Adrian's fine, SPS champion - see all my comments on WWL/WGNO or related you tube video. A special thanks to all the SPS fan support but I also want to acknowledge all my former Lakeview club players and parents (tons of Jesuit grads) who sought me out after the game. Thanks for coming - will remember your comments forever. And of-course my players know how I feel about them.
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Post by Bish on Feb 28, 2011 9:09:03 GMT -6
I wasn't at the game and have only read the last page of this thread, but it is clear that there are a bunch of whiny St. Paul's parents and players who think that it's absurd that the losing team not clap for the winning team at a trophy presentation. First - who cares? Second - Is it really THAT unsportsmanlike? Give them a break. The kids were heartbroken, after losing the State Championship and their amazingly long undefeated streak. I've been in their shoes before and I'm not sure if I clapped either. It's hard enough to watch a team walk away with the trophy that you worked hard for all year.
I trust Timaeaus's judgment, so it is clear that you are all over-reacting to the hard fouls and unsportsmanship.
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Post by pOkLE on Feb 28, 2011 9:19:08 GMT -6
Soccer is a great game and a great example of how everyone's reality is simply their perception of like events through a different lens. We all view the same events in so many different ways; it's simply amazing that we ever agree on anything With that said, I agree that expecting teenage boys (young men) to behave with perfect grace is simply unrealistic. I don't think the post-game trophy presentation applause or lack thereof from the losing team is worthy of any real time on this board (again, my opinion). But I will have to say that there were plenty of hard fouls during that game and at least a few more cards could have been given. In fact, I was definitely surprised that there were not more cards. Nothing was outside the scope of aggressive competition and I don't think any were malicious, but definitely worth more than a talking to - on a side, but interrelated note, man, I hate when refs take away my or my team's advantage (ie, quick restart) to talk to an opponent for any length of time after a foul without giving a card (besides the "hey, that's enough") ....
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Post by spsdadof3 on Feb 28, 2011 17:24:29 GMT -6
Let me start with Hideki. Take some of your own advice and not share YOUR opinions. My bias is that I am a SPS fan not that there was a lack of clapping at the trophy presentation - THAT IS A FACT. Learn the difference between them. Your whole post is full of opinions. Grow some yourself.
Goat See above, NUFF SAID!
M Unit This was my original post about hard fouls, "I basically saw a repeat, except the score, of the SPS tournament final where Jesuit tried to take out #16 with repeated hard fouls, some of which received cards from the ref, however, not enough. That should not be the way soccer games are played and won. How many hard fouls did #14 get?" If you would take your own advice and read the thread you might have understood that my second post was really about the first post and not in game reporting which I did read before posting. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Bish You were not at the game so do not make any comments about stuff you know nothing about. Its apparent that you have no clue because I believe that I am the only SPS person (parent or player) make comments about the lack of applause during the trophy presentation, not bunch of people. So lets just keep your comments to me, we will keep your mother of this for now. You asked who cares? It must be obvious, I DO. You also asked is it really that unsportsmanlike? I have attended many trophy presentations where we were the second palce team and we appluaded the first palce team, maybe not as vigorously as if we had won, but we still appluaded. I expect this from my kids and teams, sorry that you have such low expectations. With respect to the style of play, please read posts form pOkLE, smoser, fbleauwoohoo, and M Unit. Maybe you should trust your own judgement and not take the word of others.
To all that do not agree with me, isn't it great that we live in the greatest country in the world where we can have these wouderful conversation and disagree.
Please remember that we all have opinions and they all stink, especially mine.
Who's next?
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Post by futbolfiend on Feb 28, 2011 18:03:41 GMT -6
The one foul that drew a card on #16 wasn't a hard foul, but a deliberate shove. There were two hard fouls on him that I saw during the game, which isn't that surprising considering how often #16 had the ball at his feet. It was a clean, well played game by both teams. The second hard foul on 16 should have drawn the defender's second YC and he should have been sent off. I don't have a dog in this fight, but that is my opinion. I yelled when that whistle was blown for that foul.."he's gone either his second yellow or straight red" it was reckless and dangerous and from behind and it was a deliberate attempt to take out #16 SPS, it temporarily took the SPS player from the game (forced cramp or something like that). Other than that and a few chippy things near the end it was a relatively clean albeit physical game but that particular foul should have resulted in the sending off of #16 Jesuit..
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Post by upper90 on Feb 28, 2011 20:06:12 GMT -6
While I was not at the game, I think it is unrealistic, as pokle said, to expect the losing team to act with perfect sportsmanship when a team not only loses a state championship game, but also by losing a national best 94 game winning streak.
While I think good sportsmanship is extremely important, as long as Jesuit players shook hands after the game and acknowledged the St. Paul trophy presentation without any interruptions, I find no harm done.
Don't fret over something so picky spsdadof3. Be happy that your son's team won a state championship, and congratulate Jesuit on one heck of a season. Don't continue to acknowledge the fact that Jesuit lost. Again, just be happy that you won.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 28, 2011 20:22:05 GMT -6
Let's move back to the positive of this game.
Positives: 1. Probably the largest crowd to watch a high school soccer game in Louisiana, and possibly the southeast. I'm curious what attendance records are for states like MS, AL, GA, FL, SC, and TX. 2. Featured as the top sports story on several New Orleans television stations. 3. Featured as the top sports story on the front page of the Times Picayune sports section. 4. A game of very high quality with no injuries. 5. A state championship for St. Paul's. 6. A Most Outstanding Player award for Adrian McInnis, who shined the brightest of many bright spots on the field. 7. Great music by Deacon John before the game. 8. The end of several magnificent high school careers in fitting fashion, including McInnis and Steven Cabos. I'm sure more than a few youngsters in the stands that night will dream of being the next McInnis or Cabos playing in front of thousands one day. 9. A raucous but generally good-natured atmosphere that made being there cause the hair to stand on your neck. 10. You name something.
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