Was there an unfortunate issue in the scheduling and organizing of this game.. refs, time, etc.? I heard that the LHSAA had to get involved.
Talraia... your view of the mechanics of the flow of a soccer game is at least consistantly imbalanced enough to generally discount. It seems Ben Franklin has never been overmatched, ever, even when losing 6-0 LOL, and no other team has ever played good soccer, all resorting to dirty ultra-physical play ... despite the rep of BF team. ;D Congratulations to the BF team... I'll publically admit this result surprised me.
No issues with scheduling or officials. Game has been set at 7 since the season began, and the NO assignor is charged by Lhsaa with getting officials, which was done yesterday.
striving to post more and more as this is proof that i know soccer...ha
Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 22, 2011 23:55:42 GMT -6
I'm posting just the schedules, but I hope someone else will post a lot more. Let's compare, contrast, and analyze both of these teams and the match-up.
Ben Franklin Div. III, Dist. 9 District 6-2 Overall 15-7-1 Division I3-3-0
Pre Season: Nov 4 - Grace King L 0-6 Nov 11 - Brother Martin L 1-4
Regular Season: 11/29 @ Lusher* [blue]W 3-1[/blue] 12/1 @ Jesuit[red] L 1-8[/red] 12/ 3-4 Copa Acadiana Tournament TeurlingsD 2-2 St. FredericksW 2-0 St. MichaelsW 3-2 Alexandria (semi) L 0-4 12/8 @ De La Salle* W 5-0 12/11 vs. Lusher*[blue] W 3-2[/blue] 12/ 27-29 St. Paul's Invitational Captain ShreveL 0-5 Brother MartinL 1-4 Northlake ChristianL 0-6 1/4 vs. Haynes* [blue]W 8-2[/blue] 1/8 @ St. Charles Catholic [blue]W 4-1[/blue] 1/11 @ Newman* [red]L 0-2[/red] 1/15 vs. De La Salle* [blue]W 5-0[/blue] 1/17 vs. Country Day [blue]W 3-2[/blue] 1/20 @ Haynes* [blue]W 4-3[/blue] 1/29 vs. Newman* [red]L 1-2 (2OT)[/red] 1/31 @ Holy Cross [blue]W 2-1[/blue]
Playoffs Glenmora [blue]W 4-0[/blue] Bolton [blue]W 6-2[/blue] @ University [blue]W 1-1 (4-2 in PKs)[/blue] 2/19 Westminster [blue]W 2-1 OT[/blue]
Northlake Christian Div. III, Dist. 7 District 8-0 Overall 23-4-2 Division I6-0-2
Pre Season: Nov 6 - Pearl River L 1-3
Regular Season: Nov 15 - Chalmette [blue]W 8-0[/blue] Nov 16 - @ Lusher [blue]W 2-1[/blue] Nov 18/20 - Wolverine Cup Helen Cox [blue]W 7-0[/blue] Country Day [blue]W 2-0[/blue] Holy Cross[blue] W 2-0[/blue] Nov 23 - Newman[green] D 1-1[/green] Nov 27 - Lusher[blue] W 8-1[/blue] Dec 4/5 - Copa Acadiana LoyolaW 2-0 Beau CheneW 2-0 VandebiltL 0-1 Dec 9 - St. Charles Catholic W 1-0 Dec 11 - Independence*[blue] W 6-0[/blue] Dec 18 - @ St. Thomas Aquinas* [blue]W 3-2[/blue] Dec 21 - St. Paul’s [red]L 1-2[/red] Dec 22 - @ Chalmette [blue]W 9-0[/blue] Dec 27/28 - St. Paul’s Invitational Captain ShreveL 0-1 Brother MartinL 0-3 Ben FranklinW 6-0 Jan 4 - Country Day D 1-1 Jan 7 - @ Pope John Paul* [blue]W 8-0[/blue] Jan 11 - Amite* [blue]W 8-0[/blue] Jan 15 - @ Independence* [blue]W 7-0[/blue] Jan 18 - St. Thomas Aquinas* [blue]W 5-1[/blue] Jan 25 - Pope John Paul*[blue] W 10-0[/blue] Jan 29 - @ Amite*[blue] W 10-0[/blue]
Playoffs Thomas Jefferson [blue] W 10-1[/blue] @ West Feliciana [blue] W 4-0[/blue] Feb 15 Country Day [blue] W 2-1[/blue] Feb 19 @ Episcopal BR W 0-0 (4-2 PKs)
Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 23, 2011 0:32:42 GMT -6
I often think of Ben Franklin like the forgotten giant. Franklin is one of the historic soccer programs in the state, but they also seem to be underrated most years. Northlake is a growing giant. Ten years from now we may speak of Northlake like we speak of St. Louis or Vandebilt today.
Two stats that stick out for Northlake. Undefeated in Division III at 16-0-2. If they beat Franklin, they'll accomplish the rare feat of being undefeated in their own division. The second stat that catches my eye is the big 6-0 win against Ben Franklin the last time these teams met at the St. Paul's Holiday Invitational. Apparently Franklin was missing its best two players, but still.
15 years ago the Houston became known as Clutch City because the city's Rockets (NBA) went through the playoffs winning game after game at the wire. Ben Franklin has done its best impression and maybe this year they should be called the Unflappable Falcons because they never panic. When all hope looked lost against #4 University, the came back at the very end and won it in OT. Nearly a carbon copy was written last Saturday against #1 Westminster when Popovich scored the tying goal with seconds remaining in regulation. Franklin would go on to win the game in OT.
After looking at this year stats on both teams, NC gets the nod. Can 2 key players turn around a 6-0 loss? We'll see Friday. NC should not overlook Franklin. If Franklin hangs around and gets into OT, I would have to sway with the Falcons to pull out a win. I was at the BF vs WCH semis. They hung tight with a strong, physical and very talented WCH team. But when the game went into OT WCH start to drop like flies and to make matters worse they lost #4 to injury. But Franklin just kept pushing as though it was still in the 2nd half. It was like a football team on onfense not allowing the defense to leave the field. That is when #7 and #10 started to force their will on the drained attack of WCA. I must say WCA had the better chances, but when Franklin had a chance to score they converted. I found Franklin to be very sound with enough skilled player to play with anybody. Add the fitness factor, these guy can become a dangerous bunch if you let them hang around long enough.
Both teams have a quality of championship teams; They never lost to an underdog. They won all games which they were supposed to prevail. Soccer is the game in which you have to score goals. It doesn't matter how many opportunities you have. All you need is to convert one or two of the few chances. Neither University nor Westminster could do it, while BF did it. Why? In both games, it was Popovich. He was a game changer. I'd expect the same thing happens Friday. 2-1 BF, possibly overtime.
Post by talariajones on Feb 23, 2011 8:09:48 GMT -6
I agree with most of your analysis - these are two teams who have proven themselves worthy of this match in two very different ways. It would also seem that each derive their sense of self in two very different ways...one emerging, one historical...appropriate and epic when you consider where the two teams are located.
Two players will not create a 6, 7,...10 goal swing between two teams.
That said, the only thing that jumps out to me in your analysis might be the assumption of two players. The two in question seem to be pretty talented, and it is apparent that they were not present in the first meeting, but was it only two?
It was the holidays...how about Northlake? All present?
Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 23, 2011 8:13:13 GMT -6
Talking about the goal swing from one or two players. I remember playing a team that was missing its star forward, who would go on to star for a major college program. We beat them 2-1. A month later that star player was on the field and they beat us 6-0.
Two players will not create a 6, 7,...10 goal swing between two teams.
It was three players. Talmon, Vanja and their starting goalie, brian freelander. I heard a lot of goals were scored off the back up miss playing the ball. So yeah I think with their best player and another top 4 player out and the starting goalie it could make a 6 goal difference.
Post by thereporter on Feb 23, 2011 9:16:48 GMT -6
Unfortunately this reporter does not have the knowledge to analyze these two fine teams other than to suggest that a player of the calibar of a Vanja P. does in fact have the ability to change the outcome of a game. He is a two time Region III ODP pool member of which we currently only have 4 from all of the ODP LA teams combined. Not even the two superstars in the D1 final have achieved that accomplishment.
Post by talariajones on Feb 23, 2011 9:22:29 GMT -6
The way the game should be played (not often the case, especially at this level), two players detract from team cohesion to a degree more than they add individual quality. I would think this especially the case with a team who like to move the ball.
Anywho, I have no doubt those two guys will add something, but that is not so important toward my question: How many players were missing in the first meeting...from both teams? Given the timing (1) and significance of that meeting (2), maybe both teams will carry entirely different squads...? Add to that, each team had to believe they would be playing again in the post-season(3). Any one of those 3 items would be grounds for the absence of players, but with all 3 in effect...I am just saying, it is tough for me to hang my hat on that match.
In the recent couple of games that I have seen Ben Franklin play (given, I have not seen as much of Northlake on account of where I live), no team would beat them 6-0, so apparently, they must have improved. I have seen the last two contests, and noticed the big blonde did not play for about 15-20 minutes of each...not starting the match vs. Uhigh. The team still seemed pretty strong without him.
All-in-all, I would toss the first result out the window - players present or not - and analyze this one on personnel. Trouble there: Is anyone familiar enough with both teams to do so? I am not, so I would like to know that as well - WHY will one team beat the other...this Friday? Though, I guess that is what this thread is about.
Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 23, 2011 14:29:17 GMT -6
Not to take anything away from Franklin, but the Jesuit that played in the first half of the Dutchtown game would easily have beaten Franklin 6-0. The speed, pace, and teamwork of that team that night were Division I college level.
I have seen the last two contests, and noticed the big blonde did not play for about 15-20 minutes of each...not starting the match vs. Uhigh. The team still seemed pretty strong without him.
That's not what I saw. BF had no shot on or at goal, nada, until Vanya came in about 15 minutes in. Within 10 seconds after he came in, BF had the very first shot of the game, either by him or someone who received a pass from him. To be honest, I thought he was pretty well contained in most of the game, particularly when BF played their possession game. The tying goal near the end of the regulation came from a FK and a confusion after that, which I thought was interesting. BF's attacks depend on the two players and are highly predictable. Vanya still had an instinct of where the ball would roll and made one of the few opportunities.