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Post by barnacle13 on Dec 12, 2012 14:49:41 GMT -6
I typically update them every night. Last set was from about 10pm 12/11/12. It only includes esults that were posted prior to the update.
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Post by uhscubs1 on Dec 12, 2012 20:28:49 GMT -6
For what it is worth I think you are right that it will get sorted out as more games are played and teams true identities are forged. It should be pretty close about the end of December.
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Post by barnacle13 on Dec 12, 2012 22:33:52 GMT -6
It'll be a little more clear in late January, but again I urge you to get out and see the teams play. These calculations are not infallible. Just because one team has a slightly higher Power Ranking doesn't mean they are the better team. It's possible they played more games, or their opponents won more games, etc. These rankings should get some dialogue going on the top teams, but at the end of the day, the coaches whose teams make the playoffs should base their seeding first on results and their eyewitness accounts of each team. The schedules will help for comparing common opponents and head to head results. As long as we get all of the match results recorded, we should have those complete and ready for use. Standings will be valuable for determining who gets in. Power Rankings should be a last consideration for seeding.
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Post by griffinfan on Dec 13, 2012 16:01:07 GMT -6
On Dec. 4, You have North DeSoto and Northwood playing to a 0-0 tie...North DeSoto actually won that game 9-0...Thanks for all you've done!!
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Post by Tordad35 on Dec 14, 2012 11:34:04 GMT -6
I am unable to sort/Filter the google doc on the standings sheet or the shedule sheet in either list view mode or spreadsheet mode. This just started during the last few days (worked fine before). Is anybody else having this issue?
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 14, 2012 12:08:58 GMT -6
I am unable to sort/Filter the google doc on the standings sheet or the shedule sheet in either list view mode or spreadsheet mode. This just started during the last few days (worked fine before). Is anybody else having this issue? Seems to be working for me. Try again. If not PM me your phone # & I'll call to try to debug.
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 15, 2012 8:33:22 GMT -6
There is a current proposal that will determine wildcards based on Power Ratings (starting next year). The proposal involves a different calculation than we've been using. Proposed LHSAA Power RatingsFor a WIN, you get 10 points + # of opponent's wins. For a TIE, you get 5 points + 75% of # of opponent's wins. For a LOSS, you get 0 points + 50% of # of opponent's wins. You can see more of the history and discussion at: Power Ratings threadSince this is what is being considered use as the basis for selecting wildcards next year, we are going to change the calculations to start to use this method (over the next few days). We will begin to sort primarily on this calc (so we can get used to it) and will change the display to put the new proposed LHSAA method first. Will it cause significant changes?I took the latest file I had and compared the current LHSAA calc (which used to distinguish shootout wins/losses from other wins/losses) and compared it to calcs under the proposed calculation. Impact?- 88 of the 146 girls teams (60%) changed 2 positions or less
- 3 teams would fall 10 or more positions: West Feliciana (-13), Northshore (-10), and Parkview (-10)
- 6 teams would move up 10 or more positions: John Ehret (21), Thomas Jefferson (19), Grace King (12), Walker (11), Christian Life (10), and Erath (10)
So stay tuned & you'll see the GoogleDocs catch up with the proposed calculations. I would encourage your discussion to take place over on the Power Ratings thread
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Post by soccerdad23 on Dec 15, 2012 9:48:22 GMT -6
I would like to know from the people that deal with these power rankings and set them up from us whether they think this is a better system than the one we are currently using...and what are the pros and cons of the system that will be used by the LHSAA
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 15, 2012 20:34:01 GMT -6
Additional discussion has take place on the Power Ratings thread in the boys section. Relevant to both sides. Just wanted to highlight here again.
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Post by counterattack on Dec 23, 2012 16:33:39 GMT -6
How often to do the coaches' polls come out? It's interesting to look at the power ratings and then compare to the coaches' poll. I'm guessing they'll become closer as the season goes on. Coaches' poll rankings are probably a little more accurate for the time being.
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Post by barnacle13 on Dec 23, 2012 18:16:07 GMT -6
Coaches' Polls have been a little hard to predict in past years. I think the data available is making things a little easier for the voting coaches this year. Power Rankings are not everything, as some of the records attest. Some of the strong teams play strong opponents and take the occasional loss, while other teams take the pad your schedule approach. Most of the voting coaches actually see most of the teams play. I think we'll start to see power rankings come in line, but they will never be 100% accurate. I'll use my daughter's team as an example. Currently they sit around 3 or 4 in the power rankings, but are ranked #9. My guess, based on results I've seen from teams ranked above them in the polls is that their coaches poll position is much more realistic than 3 or 4. I could be wrong and they may be the #3 team in the state, but for now I'll take the top 10 slot and see what the remainder of the season brings. At the end of the season, you have to beat them all to win the championship, so really only #1 in late February matters.
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Post by barnacle13 on Dec 27, 2012 20:48:54 GMT -6
Schedules, Standings, and Power Ratings GoogleDoc has been updated. As we are approaching the midway point in many districts, I am now sorting based on District record, so folks can keep up with who is in position for playoff automatic births. Remember wildcards are based on Division record, so if your team falls below district runner up, start looking at where they fall on division win percentage.
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Post by Tordad35 on Dec 27, 2012 22:52:57 GMT -6
Remember wildcards are based on Division record, so if your team falls below district runner up, start looking at where they fall on division win percentage. This is different than what I read on the LHSAA website in the handbook. It states. "18.5.6 The following criteria (in order) shall be used to select wildcard teams for state playoffs: 1. The team with the best won-loss percentage records in district play shall be selected in descending order until wildcard positions are filled on the bracket. 2. If application of the first criterion creates a tie, the team with the best overall won-loss percentage record against teams in the same division, including district and non-district games, shall be the wildcard team." It appears to be for this season. Has this changed?
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Post by barnacle13 on Dec 27, 2012 23:01:18 GMT -6
Remember wildcards are based on Division record, so if your team falls below district runner up, start looking at where they fall on division win percentage. This is different than what I read on the LHSAA website in the handbook. It states. "18.5.6 The following criteria (in order) shall be used to select wildcard teams for state playoffs: 1. The team with the best won-loss percentage records in district play shall be selected in descending order until wildcard positions are filled on the bracket. 2. If application of the first criterion creates a tie, the team with the best overall won-loss percentage record against teams in the same division, including district and non-district games, shall be the wildcard team." It appears to be for this season. Has this changed? This changed from last year. Last year went on district record. This year wildcards are supposed to be selected based on division win/loss percentage, then district won/loss percentage. There was a lot of talk about this last Jan after the LHSAA meetings. My understanding is next year they are proposing to go to LHSAA Power Rankings for wildcard determination, with only district champs receiving an automatic birth. Power Ranking would also determine seeding, instead of coaches seeding the playoff brackets. Not sure I like that idea, because I think there's room for error in the way they are calculating Power Rankings. PK win or loss will count the same as a regulation win or loss. The discussion should probably have its own thread, so I'll try to start one in the morning.
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 27, 2012 23:09:49 GMT -6
The way we describe it is correct. It was approved at one of the necessary meetings. LHSAA still needs to update the handbook.
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Post by copakid14 on Dec 29, 2012 0:02:25 GMT -6
Google doc is missing some results after the update today. Not sure what happened?
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Post by barnacle13 on Dec 29, 2012 5:45:42 GMT -6
Not sure what happened there, but I've reposted. They appear to be up to date now. St.Thomas More/Mt.Carmel results is showing, which was last entry of the day yesterday.
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Post by soker on Dec 30, 2012 11:28:34 GMT -6
Final Score for : MHS Tournament Mount Carmel - 3 East Ascension - 0
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Post by copakid14 on Jan 4, 2013 20:44:05 GMT -6
Rained out game between North Caddo and Loyola rescheduled for 1/9 6pm @ Messmer (Loyola)
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Post by SFC Retired on Jan 4, 2013 21:36:56 GMT -6
Question... I coach an average team, so is it better for me to play above average teams or teams at my level with this new power rating scheme? Thanks
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