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Post by soccerdad82 on Feb 24, 2013 18:47:59 GMT -6
in defense of the the center ref... he really did a nice job given the circumstance. it was a huge game in front of a big crowd. Two great teams had played 99 minutes of soccer. I believe he knew there was a flagrant foul from behind which by rule would've essentially awarded SPS the state title. He clearly did not want the responsibility of determining the outcome of the game. No referee wants to be in that position. It was unfortunate for the game to end in such a controversial manner. SPS lost a chance for a state trophy. Jesuit, who deserved to have a chance to win, without controversy, was robbed as well. But that is what makes sports rivalries so great. Somehow, these two programs will meet again. Good luck to both of them.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 24, 2013 19:22:57 GMT -6
Photos from the Jesuit vs. St. Paul's game are now on the LAprepSoccer Facebook page. Please be sure to like the page. If you'd like to use any of the pictures, please cite as: "Picture is provided courtesy of LAprepSoccer.net"
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Post by ijsouth1966 on Feb 24, 2013 20:31:20 GMT -6
in defense of the the center ref... he really did a nice job given the circumstance. it was a huge game in front of a big crowd. Two great teams had played 99 minutes of soccer. I believe he knew there was a flagrant foul from behind which by rule would've essentially awarded SPS the state title. He clearly did not want the responsibility of determining the outcome of the game. No referee wants to be in that position. It was unfortunate for the game to end in such a controversial manner. SPS lost a chance for a state trophy. Jesuit, who deserved to have a chance to win, without controversy, was robbed as well. But that is what makes sports rivalries so great. Somehow, these two programs will meet again. Good luck to both of them. Bingo! We have a winner! That's exactly what I think happened. I saw it in a few other playoff games as well; the referees are VERY reluctant to call a penalty, in any circumstance, in these playoff games. If the foul is close to the edge of the box, they'll call it just outside the box. If it is smack in the middle, like this one was, they tend to waive it off. I would really like to see a replay of it; when I saw it last night in front of me, in real time, it sure looked like a penalty.
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Post by chelsea007 on Feb 24, 2013 20:37:22 GMT -6
Talking points as I see them...
1. The flagrant shove by Jesuits right back early in the match. In the least it should have been a direct at the 18, at worst a penalty.
2. The lack of yellow cards in the first half. The Jays were quite lucky not to have a few players on yellows entering the second half. In the end, the decisions then probably kept #5 on the pitch for St. Paul in the second half. Given the events of the first half, #5 could argue he was playing as the referee allowed.
3. The lack of stoppage time in both halves of regulation and the extended additional time in the 2nd overtime period. In the least it was inconsistent.
4. The back pass from the Wolves defender to the keeper.
5. The non PK and possible red card.
6. The incidents in the stands after the match. I didn't see it first hand but the word from SPS students is that it was pretty bad. In short, a heated exchange led to a physical one. I don't have details so who knows be extent of this or if it is even true.
7. The post match incident concerning the referees. I can't elaborate on this one.
The bottom line is that all of these events were magnified by the event, the setting, and the expectations. The end result is that it was a great game with tons of drama. I am sure St. Paul will look to use this as motivation the next time they see the Jays. Congrats to Jesuit and tough luck to the Wolves.
As for me refereeing, I am to old, fat, and slow. It ain't gonna happen.
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Post by lsunate on Feb 24, 2013 20:53:39 GMT -6
For everyone asking for a video of the alleged foul www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200612953555825I'm pretty sure its a public video so everyone should be able to see it. Not the best, but best available (that I know of). Looks like a foul to me, just like it did at the game.
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Post by ijsouth1966 on Feb 24, 2013 20:57:07 GMT -6
For everyone asking for a video of the alleged foul www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200612953555825I'm pretty sure its a public video so everyone should be able to see it. Not the best, but best available (that I know of). Looks like a foul to me, just like it did at the game. Danke...yep, it still looks like a penalty.
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Post by Slippin' Stevie G on Feb 24, 2013 21:09:14 GMT -6
Looks like it was a foul, but it was not called. This beautiful of ours game can be very cruel at times... With that being said, congrats to both squads for providing yet another classic. SPS & Jesuit represent two of the few elite HS programs here in Louisiana. Can't wait to see both programs duke it out next year. Good luck to all seniors! As Goat says, "Nuff Said!" (You need to trademark this, pal)
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Post by time2retire on Feb 24, 2013 21:30:22 GMT -6
Having just seen the video on FB, I'm having a tough time figuring if the referee even had a clear line of sight to the "foul". The lights facing the camera don't make things any clearer.
As a referee, I do use video from my local games to go back and self-assess my performance. There are times when I scratch my head and have to ask myself what made me miss (or what made me catch) different situations. In breakaway type situations, I have found that I need to move wider, sooner, in order to catch the contact from behind. It has helped my game tremendously.
To the poster who mentioned that this call wasn't made because the referee did not want to hand SPS the championship...I'll go on a limb and say this isn't the case. It takes courage to make that call for a penalty, even more courage to make the non-call. The referee has nothing to gain by compromising his integrity.
To the poster(s) who insinuated that a player must "play for the ball" and that a foul in the box of that type must include the issuance of a card...those assumptions are incorrect.
No, I was not there. Yes, I am defending the referee in general. I've been in his position, as a referee in the state final. I've been blocked from obvious calls during significant games. I've had games where nothing went right, where no amount of AC's or cautions could have made a difference. I've had off-nights on what should have been the simplest of games. I've used those experiences to adjust and give the players a better game. And refereeing the perfect game, my friends, is the mule chasing the carrot. But I'll be WHO DAT if this mule won't find a way each game to make that carrot just that much closer.
I got into refereeing because I thought I could do better than the guys I had. I stood up and made a difference. Perhaps this game could spark some young men into taking the whistle and making a difference too.
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Feb 24, 2013 21:41:05 GMT -6
One thing I was shocked to see was the lack of security there and around the student sections. I saw first hand two bottles being thrown from St. Paul student section to the Jesuit section. In my opinion, they needed more security in the student sections. I was very disappointed to see the lack of sportsmanship from the fans. I know it's hard to lose a final to a rival but still. I commend the players however on both sides. I thought it was a physical game throughout but it never escalated. The sportsmanship and respect for the two programs between the coaches and players was def evident. Great game. But to be honest I was hoping for a PK shoot out. LOL
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Post by happyjack on Feb 24, 2013 21:57:03 GMT -6
Galjour...I also saw a plastic water bottle thrown, when the jesuitbstudents started a chant early in the 2nd half. And I was sitting on the opposite side of the stadium. If I could see it from there, the sheriffs deputies standing right in front of the students should have easily seen it. I commented at that point that I hoped it was fairly empty and didn't hurt anyone
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Post by retired_thibodaux_coach on Feb 24, 2013 22:09:01 GMT -6
Galjour...I also saw a plastic water bottle thrown, when the jesuitbstudents started a chant early in the 2nd half. And I was sitting on the opposite side of the stadium. If I could see it from there, the sheriffs deputies standing right in front of the students should have easily seen it. I commented at that point that I hoped it was fairly empty and didn't hurt anyone I was thinking the same thing.. It was uncalled for. I'd like to see security surround both student sections to help prevent incidents like this from escalating and can ultimately end up with people hurt.
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Post by lvjdad on Feb 24, 2013 22:10:46 GMT -6
State Finals should be in "neutral" location, NOT 2 miles from Jesuit! They tried for a neutral field, but unfortunately the Causeway was deemed too narrow. I don't understand the argument. Is "Hey Ref" saying that JHS enjoyed some benefit from the game being at Tad Gormley? There were easily as many SPS fans at Jesuit. Turnout for both was tremendous. These two teams met in a neutral location for the LHSAA soccer finals in 2007. The game was in Shreveport. There must have been, gosh, over 100 fans in attendance.
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Post by ijsouth1966 on Feb 24, 2013 22:17:33 GMT -6
Galjour...I also saw a plastic water bottle thrown, when the jesuitbstudents started a chant early in the 2nd half. And I was sitting on the opposite side of the stadium. If I could see it from there, the sheriffs deputies standing right in front of the students should have easily seen it. I commented at that point that I hoped it was fairly empty and didn't hurt anyone I was thinking the same thing.. It was uncalled for. I'd like to see security surround both student sections to help prevent incidents like this from escalating and can ultimately end up with people hurt. Perhaps we're starting to catch up to Europe in terms of hooliganism. I was up high, on the St Paul's side; while I couldn't see if the Jesuit student section was overly rowdy, I did think the SPS students crossed the line a few times (and I'm an alum). We left just before the fight broke out, so I didn't see that. As someone suggested in an earlier post, perhaps in a situation like this, it's time to place the two sets of supporters on opposite sides from each other.
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Post by lvjdad on Feb 24, 2013 22:18:44 GMT -6
Galjour...I also saw a plastic water bottle thrown, when the jesuitbstudents started a chant early in the 2nd half. And I was sitting on the opposite side of the stadium. If I could see it from there, the sheriffs deputies standing right in front of the students should have easily seen it. I commented at that point that I hoped it was fairly empty and didn't hurt anyone I was thinking the same thing.. It was uncalled for. I'd like to see security surround both student sections to help prevent incidents like this from escalating and can ultimately end up with people hurt. I saw three bottles thrown. The first (during the game) appeared to be empty. After the game, a plastic water bottle and plastic coke bottle were thrown. The coke bottle appeared to be about half full (or half empty, depending upon your perspective). All came from the SPS student area lofted towards the JHS side. I don't feel this should be reason to separate the fans. I think that sportsmanlike behavior should be expected from all of us. To build a wall is to say that we are incapable of controlling ourselves on our own. I don't think that's the case. I thank the adult who got involved after the game to put a stop to the throwing. I didn't see any fight or indications there was a fight.
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Post by Slippin' Stevie G on Feb 24, 2013 22:22:49 GMT -6
I was thinking the same thing.. It was uncalled for. I'd like to see security surround both student sections to help prevent incidents like this from escalating and can ultimately end up with people hurt. Perhaps we're starting to catch up to Europe in terms of hooliganism. I was up high, on the St Paul's side; while I couldn't see if the Jesuit student section was overly rowdy, I did think the SPS students crossed the line a few times (and I'm an alum). We left just before the fight broke out, so I didn't see that. As someone suggested in an earlier post, perhaps in a situation like this, it's time to place the two sets of supporters on opposite sides from each other. There was a fight???
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Post by ijsouth1966 on Feb 24, 2013 22:34:03 GMT -6
Perhaps we're starting to catch up to Europe in terms of hooliganism. I was up high, on the St Paul's side; while I couldn't see if the Jesuit student section was overly rowdy, I did think the SPS students crossed the line a few times (and I'm an alum). We left just before the fight broke out, so I didn't see that. As someone suggested in an earlier post, perhaps in a situation like this, it's time to place the two sets of supporters on opposite sides from each other. There was a fight??? I heard there was a fight, or a near-fight, after the game among a few students. I didn't see it, as I was on my way out of the stadium.
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Post by spswolves13 on Feb 24, 2013 22:44:35 GMT -6
I heard there was a fight, or a near-fight, after the game among a few students. I didn't see it, as I was on my way out of the stadium. I was in the SPS student section for the game. First, I hate to see our seniors get screwed out of a state championship and i think it's a problem with refs of all sports being too scared of "giving a team the game" when they should be making the right call for the situation and clearly it should have been a pk. as for the fight or near fight (didn't see any punches thrown) was because a SPS parent thought he saw the kid that threw the bottle and grabbed him by the back of the neck (leaving scratches and what not on the kids neck) but that kid didnt throw anything. all the students in the area snapped at the parent and he told any student who wanted to fight him to go up there. the SPS athletic director along with a couple of students and another parent broke it up and they brought the kid who the guy grabbed down.
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Post by 10futbol10 on Feb 24, 2013 22:58:56 GMT -6
The video shows a definite foul! My God how much easier can that call be? I understand its a lot of pressure because its the championship game but that's a penalty. Something similar in the Byrd girls playoff game happened and the ref was VERY quick to call the PK so I don't understand how this one just lets that go. He may not have seen it though, I've been fouled and a ref not call it and then come up to me after the fact and tell me sorry he didn't see the foul because he glanced at his watch!
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Post by soccermomalways on Feb 24, 2013 23:00:31 GMT -6
Yes time for Brother Martin to ask Mr. Benson to negotiate the soccer playoffs into the dome with the state =) Didn't Mr. Benson have something to do with the renovation of Pan Am? I'm thinking that the LHSAA should be the ones negotiating for the venue. I'm sure that if any school has any kind of input as to the venue then it would most certainly be construed as some kind of impropriety. It wouldn't matter which school it was.
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Post by Scott Crawford on Feb 24, 2013 23:00:53 GMT -6
I may have had one of the best views of the alleged foul, as I was about 10 yards from it with a clear line of vision, watching through a lens. There was contact, but I did not think a penalty was deserved.
It was a classic game. It was great to see so much passion and energy. Lots of kids who watched will dream of playing in the state finals one day.
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