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Post by loJic on Nov 20, 2013 14:44:48 GMT -6
Please e-mail us your team schedule. We'll continue to bring you as close to current standings, schedules/results, and power ratings as possible. Click on link below for:Note: last updated on Sunday 3/2 @ 11:00 am Standings, Schedules, Results, and Power Ratings are searchable by team, district, division, date, etc. There are still several schedules which are unaccounted for (and others that may need updating). In order for the standings to be of maximum value to coaches and fans, we need all schedules and scores submitted on a routine basis.
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 2, 2013 14:29:57 GMT -6
Standings and Schedules/Results were published today.
Since we're still working through training process, please closely review your information and let us know if there are issues so that we can correct, modify process (if necessary), etc.
I just noticed that there are duplicate records for some games so you don't need to point that out, but anything else is fair game. You can post here or PM me.
Thanks for your patience.
By the way, Power Ratings will likely be ready earlier than December 31. Final audit testing this week (barring any significant, unexpected changes).
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 3, 2013 11:27:37 GMT -6
Under the "schedule" list, why are so many games entered twice, and will the outcome of one game be reflected in the "results" as two games? ... For example, the "Pope John Paul" schedule, has double entries for the following games: v Haynes on Dec. 3; v Grace Christian Dec. 14; v Hannan Jan. 11; v Haynes Jan. 20; v. St. Thomas Aquinas Jan. 22. Almost every team has these double entries, but not all entries are double. There are 2 issues at play to answer your question. 1) Built into the process is that ALL games will get listed twice. Each team should be listed first for one of those lines. That's to make it easy when someone wants to see all of a team's (i.e. Haynes) games. They can select Haynes in either column and get their complete list. It's the exact same process we used last year. The alternative that we rejected from the start was making users do 2 searches and get just half of the games each time. 2) The other issue is that there were about 100 duplicate games that hadn't been removed prior to publishing (still in training); I mentioned that in yesterday's post. Since both teams provide each of their schedules a game gets listed twice. The audit step of deleting duplicates before publishing didn't happen yesterday, but will be corrected during the next publishing. In the latter case, it's likely that a game was showing up 4 times... (resulting from both issues in play) Does that help? And Haynes vs Pope John Paul is one of those games. It's actually listed 4 times - twice with PJP first and twice with Haynes first. 2 of those will go away shortly. The remaining 2 are to make it easy on you to see a particular team's schedule and results with great ease...
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 6, 2013 16:40:08 GMT -6
Thanks. It seems that very few teams have schedules entered. Are schedules not being submitted or is there a backlog to be entered? I wonder if there is a way for teams to directly input schedules ... perhaps click [home team from dropdown box], vs [click team from dropdown box], on date [click date from dropdown box]? Might speed things and reduce work load on moderators? It sounds like there are about 5 schedules in the queue (and our voluteer is tied up at Copa this weekend). It doesn't feel like the issue is work load as much as lack of priority by the schools. 66 of the 153 schools show fewer than 15 games on their "schedule" (keep in mind if their opponents turn in schedules, it will show on their schedule). I'm more than happy to create a form for people to enter their own, but that's more work on those that haven't just sent us a Word or Excel or PDF file. So I'm skeptical they'll take advantage of it. Thoughts?
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 6, 2013 18:49:42 GMT -6
I just started a new thread listing the 64 teams (competing for District Honors) for which we have 10 or fewer games listed on their schedule (meaning that their opponents have likely turned in those games). Please check the list to see if you are one of them (the list is in alphabetical order).
Anyone that can help locate schedules & convert them into an Excel file will help get them entered into the system more quickly. Excel Format: Col A = Date Col B = Team Col C = Opponent Col D = Game Location (or Tourney name)
If you have any questions, just ask.
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 8, 2013 16:58:04 GMT -6
MANY thanks to the deputized coaches that have been out looking for other team's schedules. We've added about a dozen.
Since often a schedule changes from what may be published on your school site, I still advise ALL coaches to review the schedule we have listed for them to make sure that it's the most current one.
Also, there are still 49 schools from whom we need info. Help!
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 8, 2013 17:18:52 GMT -6
MANY thanks to the deputized coaches that have been out looking for other team's schedules. We've added about a dozen. And by the way, when they arrive in the 4-column Excel format, it is worlds easier to get them added to the database. Thanks again & keep 'em coming!
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Post by Pitchstalker on Dec 16, 2013 19:49:41 GMT -6
FYI
Dutchtown @ BRHS was not a tie. District rules are OT and then PKs. Winner of shootout receives one goal margin in victory.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Dec 16, 2013 20:56:04 GMT -6
Correct.. LHSAA rules for district game tiebreakers are still in effect for this season.
Only time we will count that as a draw is in the power rating formula that is proposed for next year... Since we are using next years formula, it would be a draw next year. I'm sure we will have a lot of confusion come power ratings time. But Larry is correct in that official record is a win and a loss for district game tiebreakers still this season.
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Post by knightsoccer on Dec 17, 2013 12:39:12 GMT -6
Lafayette Christian Academy - on record you have it wrong. We do not have 4 loses. only 3. Overall record is 5-3
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 17, 2013 14:24:28 GMT -6
Lafayette Christian Academy - on record you have it wrong. We do not have 4 loses. only 3. Overall record is 5-3 How about helping us out? Take a look at the schedule and results tab and tell us which game is incorrectly recorded and what it should be. Everyone on here is a volunteer. The system relies on everyone helping to identify errors (not just point out that something's wrong). Thanks in advance! Paul
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 24, 2013 11:50:29 GMT -6
Thanks to everyone who works hard at capturing this data, very beneficial. Correction, Pope John Paul's D3 record should be 5 - 1, Loss - Country Day, Wins Lutheran - home, Riverside, Grace Christian, Lafayette, Christian, Lutheran - away. Thanks again. I haven't received the Excel sheet yet to audit the most recent postings, but it looks like one of the error-checks was missed and your 2nd game against Lutheran was entered as Luthern (no "a"). That caused it not to get picked up by the Division calculator. We'll make that change and with the next posting, it should show up. Thanks for catching it!
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Post by hahndad on Dec 29, 2013 14:32:29 GMT -6
Noticed an error on Hahnville's record, you have the game with East St. John recorded twice. It was originally to be played on 12-12 but was moved to 12-13 since we could not attend the Carencro Tournament due to conflicts with the ACT testing. The correct date was 12-13 with Hahnville winning 4-2.
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Post by p_malinich on Dec 29, 2013 18:16:02 GMT -6
Power Ratings are published.
It's a 3rd tab using the link at the top of this thread.
Columns: * Team, Division, District - pretty self-explanatory * Power Rating - The actual calculation - it can change even when you don't play since it's based on your opponent's wins as well * Rank Position - What the team's position is when sorted across all divisions in Power Rating order * OT Wins & OT Losses - How many games went to OT & resulted in other than a tie * PR Wins, PR Losses, & PR Ties - Adjusted standings to reflect any game post regulation as a tie * PR Win # - The team's win # for PR purposes (PR wins + 1/2 of PR ties)
Top 5 teams as of results reported through this a.m. 1) St. Paul's (13.929) 2) Catholic BR (11.625) 3) Brother Martin (11.500) 4) Bolton (11.288) 5) Northlake Christian (11.117)
You can view all 150+ teams at the link. You can filter for just one division (or any criteria).
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Post by Boomer on Dec 29, 2013 21:46:45 GMT -6
Here are the current comparative PR top twenty teams ... lets be sure we understand... the computer thinks this is the proper strength ranking of all the teams in the State. And if we had a playoff bracket that ignored divisions, Jesuit would travel to Menard for their first round game.
1. St. Pauls 2. Catholic BR 3. Brother Martin 4. Bolton 5. Northlake Christian 6. Acadiana 7. St. Louis 8. Lafayette 9. Sulphur 10. Northshore 11. Mandeville 12. Beau Chene 13. Grace King 14. Captain Shreve 15. Menard 16. Westminster 17. St. Amant 18. Jesuit 19. University 20. Destrehan.
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Post by pOkLE on Dec 30, 2013 13:00:59 GMT -6
Here are the current comparative PR top twenty teams ... lets be sure we understand... the computer thinks this is the proper strength ranking of all the teams in the State. And if we had a playoff bracket that ignored divisions, Jesuit would travel to Menard for their first round game.
1. St. Pauls 2. Catholic BR 3. Brother Martin 4. Bolton 5. Northlake Christian 6. Acadiana 7. St. Louis 8. Lafayette 9. Sulphur 10. Northshore 11. Mandeville 12. Beau Chene 13. Grace King 14. Captain Shreve 15. Menard 16. Westminster 17. St. Amant 18. Jesuit 19. University 20. Destrehan. I appreciate the comparison and/or analysis, but you lose me (others?) with the inflammatory use of mid-season data to illustrate the point. We don't pit DI vs DIII and we don't/won't use partial data to determine playoff pairings. If you want to sway people or advocate a shift in thought, it seems you should be using past seasons' soccer data. I'm not sure what it will show, but it's definitely more helpful to me (others?) than telling me that after 6 games the dastardly computer has told all the world that Jesuit is now traveling to Menard for its playoff matchup. Extreme, incomplete examples are simply not the standard to base rules or judgments. We talk about geographic anomalies or the computer not properly taking into account X or Y, but in my opinion the same happens with the coaches "evaluation" of results. I'll use my team as an example as far as less than mathematical or logical change in weekly coaches' voting (which can be extrapolated out for entire season). The beginning of the equation: Bolton: Week of Copa Acadiana: beat Menard; advance to final as top seed out of group play [beat Episcopal BR, beat Teurlings, beat St Michael, tie St Louis (pk win in semi), tie Northlake (pk loss in final)] = 5 first place votes. Beau Chene: Copa Acadiana: Advance to semifinal of Copa [beat Menard, beat Newman, tie East Jefferson, lose 0-2 to Northlake (semi)] = 5 first place votes. Following week: Bolton: Defeat non top-10 district opponent and tie (at the time) #3 (St Thomas More) (team directly below in rankings) = lose 2 votes. Beau Chene: Defeat non top-10 district opponent and beat (at the time) #5 (Vandebilt) = gain 2 votes. The following week: Bolton: LA Showcase - Beat Acadiana (2-0), tie Baton Rouge, tie #1 Beau Chene (team directly above in rankings) [17 points in same bracket play] = gain 2 votes. Beau Chene: LA Showcase - Lose 1-2 to Acadiana, tie Baton Rouge, tie #2 team Bolton (team directly below in rankings) [9 points in same bracket play] = lose 2 votes. The following week: Bolton: Idle = gain 1 vote Beau Chene: St Paul Tourney: Lose to St Paul's, lose to Catholic BR, beat Rummel = lose 1 vote Given we can't play all the same teams (and Bolton is just lucky), but in this system (at least thus far), we have little chance of securing top seed unless we go undefeated. This is based on how we gain/lose votes presently (and based on previous seasons' seeding processes--yes, I think we avoid St Louis in last season's quarterfinals if we go by PR--a game that was tied 1-1 till final 10minutes). In the end, I think coaches can be too subjective in evaluating results (at least as it translates to weekly rankings...and thus end-of-year seeding). I know that we will lose votes if we lose/tie (pretty much regardless of opponent). Is that the same across the board? PR seems like a better alternative; the computer doesn't vote a certain way based on feeling. It does a good job of being responsive to results whereas coaches (including myself) have bias based on a multitude of factors, some valid and others not so much. This makes coaches, in general, partial to history and stature when push comes to shove ... PR doesn't care so much (or at all) how teams did in past seasons. Yes, PR may "punish" you for not playing for the win every game (eg, due to resting players or dedicating early season to working on x, y or z), but I believe PR is generally more responsive to strength of schedule than coaches (at least on a season-long scale) which helps to offset upset losses by averaging whole season. I used to be more partial to how a team looks (we all know you can have 100 chances and not convert and your opposition could have 1 chance and you end up losing 1-0) but results are what should matter at least in my estimation (and is what I've been told for years when I've tried to dissect games to indicate difference in play & result)--yes, sometimes you lose to teams that are not as good as you but you still lost. Win the next one and make up for it and bounce back in rankings or ratings.
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Post by beauchenecoach on Dec 30, 2013 17:00:31 GMT -6
Once again, wait till end of season to talk about top seeds and results of objective coaches rankings and power ratings... It will all work itself out. No need to offend teams by talking about this and not including everyone before the season plays out! Lots of major matches left to play.
Agree with you on power ratings.... Just not the reason why or your opinion of what ten division II coaches opinions are. Its a consensus and it's what makes a poll what it is.
Good luck! We have a long way to go before our Match on Jan 18 and 3-4 huge and difficult matches to play before then! Only thinking about #11 Neville and their full strength roster including football players that they didn't have at Copa!
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Post by warrior16 on Jan 19, 2014 17:20:29 GMT -6
According to the schedule spreadsheet St. Michael's is playing both Live Oak and Broadmoor on Friday. As far as I know, we are playing Broadmoor and have no current plans to play Live Oak, so you can take the Live Oak game off of our schedule for now. I will update this if anything changes.
Also it says we play Episcopal BR on 2/3 and 2/4 when we only play them on 2/4.
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Post by coach522 on Jan 23, 2014 11:05:09 GMT -6
Not sure which match is missing on spreadsheet but Broadmoor is 6-5 overall and 4-5 in District as of January 23rd. District match with Live Oak (district) rescheduled for 1/28 and two non-district matches remaining against St. Michael, 1/24 and Plaquemine, 1/31.
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Post by p_malinich on Jan 23, 2014 11:11:27 GMT -6
Not sure which match is missing on spreadsheet but Broadmoor is 6-5 overall and 4-5 in District as of January 23rd. District match with Live Oak (district) rescheduled for 1/28 and two non-district matches remaining against St. Michael, 1/24 and Plaquemine, 1/31. Can you either review the schedule & results tab to determine what's missing OR send me an e-mail with your complete schedule & results at SetFreeMail@yahoo.com please so that I can determine that?
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