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Post by Just sayin on Apr 2, 2014 20:35:14 GMT -6
As a coach of one of those 3 U14 Comp 3 teams that played for the Comp 3 state cup last year I thought it was fantastic. My team tied both games but splitting them both in PKs. Ended up getting second place. I liked it for two reasons. Every team in the group was on par with each other. Trust me when I say that we couldn't compete with the other Comp 2 teams. So for the girls to be able to play in a tourney that they knew they had a shot at winning going into it was fantastic. All season long we would go to various lower level tourneys only to get crushed in at least one game if not two. But the best thing about the tourney is we where able to play everything out that first weekend and didn't need to travel to Lake Charles for the finally weekend! All three teams were from south east LA. I have to admit I'm VERY confused by this because my daughter also played in that tournament, was on the "finalist" team and despite being all Eastern teams we DID play BOTH games in Lake Charles. All three teams had to agree on the first weekend and one team chose not to so we were forced to play everything in Lake Charles.
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Post by reddevil70737 on Apr 2, 2014 23:20:24 GMT -6
Sorry. They are U14 now. So that would have been U13Gs last year.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 6, 2014 20:33:30 GMT -6
I don't want to post details but I hear some stuff changed at the April meeting and I am not happy about it. I am not posting details because I am hoping that some of this stuff can be worked out soon.
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Post by QuizzicalLook? on Apr 7, 2014 11:50:16 GMT -6
Give us a hint....LaffySoccerMom
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 7, 2014 13:33:02 GMT -6
If anyone went to special April meeting, they can comment. Holding off for now.
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Post by FootyFan5000 on Apr 7, 2014 15:09:28 GMT -6
I would imagine that they covered a lot of stuff. Is it something with the seeding or format that you are unhappy about? I am sure there are several things at this types of meetings that wouldn't please everyone.
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Post by CR scoccrmom on Apr 7, 2014 15:44:04 GMT -6
I noticed on the LSA website that the Bylaws/Policy were updated on April 4, I'm sure this relates to whatever was said or done at a particular meeting.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 7, 2014 15:55:58 GMT -6
It has to do with the way the divisions were done- the tweaking.
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Post by jcstewart on Apr 8, 2014 6:39:05 GMT -6
I'm a bit nervous with what may happen with U13G as well.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 8, 2014 8:12:17 GMT -6
Ours is all because one team decided not to play. Looks like we may end up with two teams playing lower than they should and two teams that probably will not be competitive at all.
It's really a lose-lose situation in my opinion.
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Post by britspub on Apr 8, 2014 8:15:31 GMT -6
Did I miss the super secret meeting of the competition committee that is held at this time every year before state cup for final team seeding? The meeting that is held every year once all team registrations are received for state cup. The meeting that every club in the state is entitled to and should have someone in attendance. The super secret meeting that is intentionally scheduled to screw over this particular team (insert your team here) because that team is the only team in state cup that deserves this so it has the best chance of winning. (even though 332 total teams have registered for state cup). The meeting that uses league records for seeding. I mean why should league play mean anything because my team only lost this particular game(s) because of ______ (insert excuse here: examples include injuries, recitals, birthdays, school functions, illness, referee decisions, traffic, etc.) Or oh no, the divisions were done this way and that’s not fair because now my team has to play in C1, C2 or C3 and we deserve to play in another divisions because we are ______ (better than that, worse than that, or we don’t have much chance to win here, but we have a better chance to win there). Or its not fair because team a could not win a game in C1 or C2 but now they get to drop down to make something more competitive for them and/or for the other teams. Is that the particular super secret held every year at this time every one is worried about? Just wait until the games are played when this team is screwed over because of the referees or the fields etc, because out of the 332 teams, the super secret competition committee wanted to make sure Team no. ___ of the 332 teams would be intentionally marked for elimination. Sorry I missed it. Must have been a hell of a show.
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Post by stlfan on Apr 8, 2014 8:57:09 GMT -6
Wow. Very Griswoldian. "Hallelujah, where's the Tylenol". LOL
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Post by Roll tide on Apr 8, 2014 9:07:46 GMT -6
The secret meeting that only a handful of clubs attend. The secret meeting that every year tweaks policies. Britspub- seems like your feelings are hurt that you didn't get an invite? You must have been on one of those C3 teams that got forced up to play C2? And, if so, I bet a few of your players had to attend a school function for their 4H club. which caused you to have a bad showing? Just curious.
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Post by jcstewart on Apr 8, 2014 9:31:52 GMT -6
Did I miss the super secret meeting of the competition committee that is held at this time every year before state cup for final team seeding? The meeting that is held every year once all team registrations are received for state cup. The meeting that every club in the state is entitled to and should have someone in attendance. The super secret meeting that is intentionally scheduled to screw over this particular team (insert your team here) because that team is the only team in state cup that deserves this so it has the best chance of winning. (even though 332 total teams have registered for state cup). The meeting that uses league records for seeding. I mean why should league play mean anything because my team only lost this particular game(s) because of ______ (insert excuse here: examples include injuries, recitals, birthdays, school functions, illness, referee decisions, traffic, etc.) Or oh no, the divisions were done this way and that’s not fair because now my team has to play in C1, C2 or C3 and we deserve to play in another divisions because we are ______ (better than that, worse than that, or we don’t have much chance to win here, but we have a better chance to win there). Or its not fair because team a could not win a game in C1 or C2 but now they get to drop down to make something more competitive for them and/or for the other teams. Is that the particular super secret held every year at this time every one is worried about? Just wait until the games are played when this team is screwed over because of the referees or the fields etc, because out of the 332 teams, the super secret competition committee wanted to make sure Team no. ___ of the 332 teams would be intentionally marked for elimination. Sorry I missed it. Must have been a hell of a show. Sounds like you were there. That's usually the result of the meeting.
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Post by britspub on Apr 8, 2014 9:36:40 GMT -6
My players missed several games looking up "Griswoldian." That was the best reply to any posts I have written.
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Post by Roll tide on Apr 8, 2014 10:12:33 GMT -6
All joking aside, and I really don't have a dog in this hunt. My son's u12 bracket was just released, and nothing changed from what was told to us before the season. If a team assumed that they would be competing in the C1 or C2 Cup, and were dropped down because not enough C3, C4, etc teams registered, it would not be fair to drop those C1 or C2 teams down to a lower bracket. It isn't their fault that the lower level teams passed on state cup. I wouldn't think that this would be the case, but nothing suprises me with these closed door meetings. Anyways, good luck to the u11 and u12 teams this coming weekend.
Let's have some nice weather for a change.
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Post by PeterPierre on Apr 8, 2014 10:23:51 GMT -6
Britspub, who ever said it was a secret meeting? I beleive Laffy Soccer Mom called it a special meeting which it must be because it is not on the meeting calendar on the LSA website.
And while anyone is entitled to attend, it can be tough to make every meeting when you live in the real world.
I do not see a big deal to the changes but I do think the rules should be more pragmatic and allow for certain age groups to be tweaked. For example, some years at some ages you have three or four C1 teams and some years you may have 8 or more. I know that also opens up a can of worms so there is no perfect solution. But give LaffySoccerMom a break without your rant.
As for LCSL teams opting out of state cup, make teams pay at the start of the season. Gives them an incentive to not cop out after league play.
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Post by britspub on Apr 8, 2014 11:23:24 GMT -6
The posts insulate that the meeting was special or closed door. The meeting was scheduled at the last competition committee meeting. The meeting is held every year before state cup. The meetings are open to attendance by each club. Clubs can attend by phone and several clubs do so. Not attending because it is on a weeknight is no excuse. What rules should be more pragmatic. If you are suggesting each age group needs to be group according to ability, who will make those determinations? Who would not have agendas in saying what level this team is at versus this team. Whose opinion are you going to base whether this age group C1 should have 3 teams because they are much better then the 4th team, and then go to another age group and say these 5 teams should be at C1 or C2 because there abilities are at that level. That is where league results are used. I will cut LSM some slack since she is focused and knows her daughter’s age group, and it might not seem fair to her as she has an opinion on those team’s abilities. But you can’t go by each age group and get opinions on levels of play. State Cup is over 300 teams. At every tournament there are favorites, and there are teams that will struggle to win a game. Everyone knows the framework at the beginning of the year. RPL teams drop in C1, bottom C1 teams drop to C2, and so on. If you have more than 2 RPL teams, than it is likely more than 2 C1 teams will drop. If those RPL teams played in LCSL, those bottom C1 teams would have been in C2 league, and so on from the start. The number of teams that drop are roughly equal to the number of RPL teams. Anyone can disagree, that is fine. But come up with a better system for everyone, not just your particular age group. Bring it to the attention of your club. If they agree they will bring it to the competition committee. If the competition committee agrees then it can be approved. The LSA AGM is in the summer, so get with your club administrators now for any changes. Just don’t insulate that things are done without thought or are done under the table. Things are discussed, and voted upon by the clubs. Some votes are close, others are not. No one is intentionally trying to screw up something or put a special group above others.
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Post by laffysoccermom on Apr 8, 2014 12:18:33 GMT -6
I wasn't insinuating anything was done underhanded. If that appears to be the case- I apologize.
Not making excuses for anything on our performance. .. some games we didn't show up and we have improved drastically this year.
I am disappointed that one teams decision to not enter state cup causes two teams to be dropped down to a lower level than either anticipated based on the January documents. No where did I say state was out to screw our team.
I also have never publicly blamed refs for losing a game. Two times I can remember complaining about refs. Last year ref cut a game that we were down 2-1 short by 5 minutes because although the first half was 35 minutes, he forgot that we didn't play 30 minute halves in the second half. Still feel justified in that. Second time was out of state- ref allowed game to get completely out of control and my daughter ended up with concussion due to flagrant dangerous play. Both coaches agreed he did not manage game at all and it got dangerous. BTW- we won the game. Feel justified in that one as well.
I'm sorry if my use of the adjective special caused you to infer all those things but honestly for you to blow up that much says more about you than a possibly poor word choice on my part.
It's probably a done deal and I will not comment again unless this post is totally misinterpreted. However carefully I chose my words that is probably likely.
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Post by PeterPierre on Apr 8, 2014 12:38:34 GMT -6
LaffySoccerMom, no worries, BristPub's underwear must be two sizes too small ;-}
Special was NOT a poor word choice. It is not listed on the LSA site as a regular meeting and Britspub noted was scheduled at the end of the last competition committee meeting. Unless you were at the meeting or had read the minutes of the prior meeting you would know little about the meeting. I read your post as not liking how the events shook out rather than complaining about some conspiracy. How DARE anyone have a FREAKING OPINION. The "soccer over my kids kidney tranplant" crew will not have that. Reading further it seems as if your problem is more with the team that decided to drop out rather then the LSA decision. I do think forcing teams in LCSL to pay for State Cup prior to the will cause less teams to dropout.
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